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A41272 The creed-forgers detected in reply to a pamphlet falsely called the Quakers-creed, containing twelve articles / published by some, who have not joyned with Geo. Keith in his pride and contradiction, but testifie against both him, and them that joyn with him therein. Field, John, 1652-1723. 1700 (1700) Wing F862; ESTC R28417 17,502 18

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confesseth That the Light within in a true sense is God and Christ the Eternal and Essential Word as in his Antichrists and Sadduces p. 23. Surely Christ within and Christ without are not two Christs Christ without is not another Christ than Christ within Surely then God and Christ the Eternal and Essential Word is all-sufficient and able to save from Sin Wrath and Damnation nevertheless God hath respect to Christ Jesus his Mediion Suffering and Dying for us in his so saving us And is this denying Jesus of Nazareth to be the Son of God Oh for Shame what a proof is here And then saying again The Quakers say they own him to be the Christ that was Born of the Virgin so they do and yet affirm Christ is the Light the eternal and essential Word as G. K. saith and if he hath changed his Principles we have not and he is become Heterodox and yet would be counted Orthodox and is not that 's his fault and not ours And if he will espouse those things for Truth which he hath called Errors and exploded as such and say and unsay and do any thing for Money Let him consider there will a day of Reckoning come and he must Appear before him that will judge Righteously and Reward him and you according to your Works SECT IX The Holy Scriptures denyed by Quakers This is a false Charge But they Quote thus Christ left nothing in Writing as the Rule that we hear of W. Penn 's Christian Quaker p. 142 144. and doubtless had he intended the Rule of his Followers to have been a written Rule he would have left it upon Record with all Particularity this must be believed and that done on Pain of Eternal Death If the Scriptures were the Rule of Faith and Life c. Christ by his Disciples and other Holy Prophets left something behind them which we are perswaded were written for our Learning that we through Patience and Comfort of the Scriptures might have Hope And we do acknowledge the Holy Scriptures are a good Rule but not the Only and Chief yet we should be glad all would walk according to them and not impose their Meanings and Interpretations upon others and say as G. K. hath said That Water in Matth. 28.19 is meant and Water is not meant because not expressed nor by any just and true consequence is proved to be meant And yet he saith I still Adhere to my former Advice that nothing be required by one sort from another Retract p. 34. as an Article of Faith or Doctrine in common to be believed but what is Expresly delivered in the Scriptures in plain express Scripture Terms Now if this Advice were kept unto by such that esteem it a Doctrine in common to be Believed viz. That the Scriptures are the only Rule of Faith and Practice they would be uncapable to prove it is expresly declared in the Scriptures that they are the only Rule of Faith and Practice as they would also be unable so to prove and in plain and express Scripture terms many other things which we hold and they call Errors to be such ☞ And we call them to make such a Proof for we are not so Ignorant to undervalue or deny the Holy Scriptures they being our Evidence to prove our Doctrines by and of Divine Authority and nothing that is contrary thereto do we hold notwithstanding all the Clamour and Noise against us we do in all sincerity declare We esteem them the best Book that ever we Read and have great Comfort by them and bless God that by his good Providence he hath preserved them to this day and do Exhort People in the Fear of God to be diligent in the Reading of them and that also they would receive that Holy Spirit they testifie of and that the holy Men of God were moved by to write them that thereby and waiting in it they may come rightly to understand them and the things of God therein testified of SECT X. The Sacraments of Baptism and the Lord's-Supper denyed The Proof they Alledge is as followeth as quoted by them I affirm VV. Penn's Reason against Railing p. 108 109. That Circumcision is as much of force as Water-Baptism and the Paschal Lamb as the Bread and Wine and we can testifie from the same Spirit by which Paul renounced Circumcision that they are to be Rejected as not now Required Let them prove by express Scripture and in plain and express Scripture words they are now Required and ought to be Received as Articles of Faith and Practice by all true Christians in such express and particular manner as they are used by the Church they and G. K. have now joyned themselves to And let them consider what G. K. hath said on these Heads that said in his first Narrative p. 15. I know not any Fundamental Principle nor indeed one Principle of the Christian Faith that I have varied from to this day Now if these be Fundamentals or any Principles of the Christian Faith he knows not that he hath varied from them to this day Who declared Acts 8.38 Serious Appeal p. 15. Doth not prove that Christ's Baptism with Water for as the Practice of Circumcision after Christ's Resurrection doth not prove it a Gospel Precept no more doth the Practice of Water-Baptism But both Christ and John did Teach That Christ's Baptism was with Fire and the Holy Ghost but no where is it said He Baptized with Water Nothing can be more Clear that Tertullian was not for but against Infant-Baptism they can give no Evidence in Church-History Serious Appeal p. 33. P. 30. for Infant-Baptism Christ commanded not these words to be used in Baptism In the Name of the Father and of the Son c commonly called the words of Iustitution As he can never prove any such Institution so he hath Zuinglius against him who saith expresly Lib. de Bap. p. 66. Tom. 2. Christus Jesus Baptismi formulam qua uteremur his verbis non Instituit quemadmodum Theologi hactenus falso Tradiderunt i. e. Christ Jesus did not Institute the Form of Baptism in these words to be used as the Theologues have heretofore falsly delivered And as to the Supper which you call a Sacrament we advise you to Read and Consider what he hath said on that Account We deny not but he i. e. Christ took Bread and brake it Truth 's Defence p. 138. after Supper and having given thanks he gave it unto his Apostles saying Take Eat this is my Body and likewise the Cup saying Drink ye all of it c. But where is it called a Gospel Ordinance or a standing Command of Christ unto the World's End ☞ Let 's have Express Scripture for this and prove in plain and express Scripture Terms if it be an Article of Faith or Doctrine in common to be believed And saith G. K As for 1. Cor. 11.23 24. which J. A. bringeth to prove that
that which Died was his Body i. e. Christ dwelt Eminently in him But that Body saith W. Penn is in no Man Ergo that can't be the Christ in his sense which is incapable to dwell in Men. If this be an Error and the contrary Truth then these Creed-Makers hold that which died was his Godhead not his Body i. e. in which Christ Eminently Dwelt But surely they do not consider what their Tutor G. K. saith Serious Appeal p. 27. He saith Christ cannot as to himself properly and strictly in a literal sense be killed or crucisied in Men Mind that then the Body that Suffered and Died by G. K's Account was not properly the Son of God nor crucified in Men. Neither do the Quakers hold that Body that Suffered for all Men is in all Men For the Body as G. K. saith in the same page that Christ was to Suffer in as a Sacrifice for the Sins of the World Note Here is that Body of Christ distinguished by G. K. behoved to be a Clean and Holy Body as it was a Lamb without Spot and the Death behoved to be a real Death Which could not be of the Godhead and it would be Blasphemy to affirm The Godhead died and Ignorance to assert That Body that died is in all Men but it 's sound Doctrine to assert and Preach That Christ who is properly and not Figuratively called Light as G. K. affirms Augustine said Is the true Light which lighteth every Man that cometh into the World John 1.9 and so is in all Men And which Light Word or Spirit within G. K. saith as quoted in his Book of Retractations p. 21 22. It hath pleased the Lord to send his Son into the World both in the Outward and Inward in a weak and low Appearance that he might shew forth the more abundant Glory in that which was so low and weak in Appearance to prevail over the greatest Power that stood in his way for thus doth the Seed of the Woman bruise the Serpent's Head And this will bring People naturally to own the Scriptures and things therein declared to own Moses and the Prophets to own the Dispensation of God to the Jews in that day and to own Christ in the Flesh his miraculous Death his Doctrine Miracles Suffering Death Resurrection and Ascension together with the wonderful End and Design of God therein c. And this Method I well Approve of still saith G. K. And so do the Quakers and are firm in this Faith altho' weak in Appearance and despised of Men that He in whom they have believed Christ the Light that many hate because their Deeds are Evil shall prevail over the greatest Power that stands in the way and that God will tread Satan down and make him like Ashes under the Soles of their Feet who love and live in Him against whom and those that are built upon him all the Powers of Hell nor the Rage and Enmity of Apostates shall never be able to prevail against them For he that sitteth in the Heavens shall laugh the Lord shall have them in derision and Christ whom God hath set upon his holy Hill shall break them with a Rod of Iron and shall dash them to pieces like a Potter's Vessel SECT VII The Resurrection of the Body denied c. Urged for Proof as followeth I do utterly deny W. Penn's Invalidity of J. Faldo's vindication p. 369 370. that this Text 1 Cor. 15.44 is concerned in the Resurrection of Man's Carnal Body at all But the Two States of Men under the first and second Adam Men are sown into the World Natural but they are raised Spiritually through Him who is the Resurrection and the Life and so they are the Sons of the Second Adam Will these Creed-Forgers say They do own that this Text is altogether concerned in the Resurrection of Man's Carnal Body and not in the Two States of Men under the First and Second Adam and that they are not raised Spiritually through Him who is the Resurrection and the Life and that they are not so the Sons of the Second Adam If they do will this be good Doctrine Read what G. K. saith on this Head Because we own an Inward Quickning Serious Appeal p. 52. and being Raised with Christ in our Souls and Inward Man that therefore we deny any future Resurrection of the Body after Death which we deny not but affirm against Ranters and vain Notionists And as for his Citing W. Penn's Words arguing against that same Numerical Body P. 9. its Rising at the Resurrection it is clear that he understandeth the same exact Number of small Particles or Dusts neither more nor less than what is commonly Buried and what hurt is there in that And we affirm as our Friends often have that we believe there will be a Resurrection both of the Just and Unjust and if any Man now shall say How are the Dead raised and with what Body do they come We answer as Paul did ● Cor. 15.39 36 37 38. Thou Fool that which thou sowest is not quickened except it dye And that which thou sowest thou sowest not that Body that shall be but bear Grain it may chance of Wheat or some other Grain But God giveth it a Body as it pleaseth him to every Seed it s own Body And it 's false to say as these Folks do in p. 13. 14. That we mean other things and maliciously to compare us to the Papists And its wrong to suggest that if what we say is true then Christ did not dye for we firmly believe Christ dyed according to the Scriptures and that he died for our Sins and yet we are not afraid to assert That the Life of the Word that was in the beginning with God and was God which Life is the Light of Men dyed not And yet we sincerely believe Christ bare our Sins in his own Body on the Tree of the Cross and Shed his Blood even the same Christ that was born of the Virgin Mary and was Crucified Dead and Buried and Raised again and is ascended into Heaven and ever liveth to make Intercession for us and therefore in Contradiction to these Errers and Strayers from the Lords Way we affirm That he we Own profess and Believe in is the Christ of God to whom one day they all must be accountable and receive a Reward according to their Works SECT VIII Jesus of Nazareth denyed to be the Son of God For Proof they quote viz. The Light within sufficient to Salvation without any thing else G. Whitehead's Antidoe p. 28 viz. Without the Man Christ Jesus and Faith in him If what G. Whitehead hath asserted be a Truth then we may bid adieu to Jesus of Nazareth Answ This is is a piece of Forgery for what 's pretended as above to be in G. W's Antidote is not there to be found as quoted but by search we find G. W. there writes viz. s seeing G. K.