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A69763	The present state of the controversie between the Church of England and the Church of Rome, or, An account of the books written on both sides in a letter to a friend.	Clagett, William, 1646-1688.; Tenison, Thomas, 1636-1715.	1687 (1687)	Wing C4390; ESTC R2767	15,641	40

called 8. An Answer to a late Paper given about by some of the Church of Rome Another Subject that has occasionally been handled is concerning Schism and Heresy It is an Answer to some things in a Popish Pamphlet called Why are you a Catholick The Author treats of the Nature of these two and enquires to which Church it is that they really do belong In short Whether the Papists or we are Schismaticks and Hereticks The Title is this 9. A Vindication of the Church of England from the foul Aspersions of Schism and Heresy unjustly cast upon Her by the Church of Rome In two Parts The last Subject that has occasionally but yet more copiously been handled and which upon that Account I reserved to this place is concerning the Worship of Images c. It began by this means A Reverend Divine of our Church took occasion from the late Pretences of our Misrepresenting the Opinions of the Papists to set forth an excellent Catechism called 10. A Catechism truly representing the Doctrines and Practices of the Church of Rome with an Answer unto them It is not to be wonder'd that such a Book as this should be thought proper to be set forth When the whole business of those of the other Communion was to palliate by any means the true Doctrines and Practices of their Church it certainly became us to represent them to the World as indeed they are This has here been done from their own Authors and with great Sincerity But notwithstanding this the Misrepresenter that then was in one of his Answers to the first great Controversy I have mentioned took him to task for it In the close of a new Edition of this Catechism an answer was made to his Exceptions Not long after this the Misrepresenter began a new undertaking to oblige the World with a Sheet a week first called the Second Part of the Papist Represented and Misrepresented and after of half a Sheet which he has continued to the number of sixteen Chapters under the new Character of the Catholick Representer In his 1st 2d 5th and 6th Sheets or Chapters he falls upon the Author of this Catechism with reference to the Point of the Worship of Images and of the Cross which has produced us three short but yet excellent Answers called 11. 1. The Papists Represented and not Misrepresented in Answer to the first Sheet of the Second part 2. The like to the Second And 3. To the Fifth and Sixth The business of all which is the same viz. to shew what the true Doctrine of the Church of Rome is in the Points hefore mention'd Of the Worship of Images and of the Cross For the other sort of Tracts that have been written II. More immediatly in Answer to some of their set Discourses They have also been on different Subjects Such as these 1. Concerning Transubstantiation Upon which their late Attempts either to set up that or to ruin the other Mysteries of the Gospel but especially that of the Trinity have occasioned several short but accurate Discourses I shall send you the Titles of them 1. The Answer to the Popish Dialogue between a new Catholick Convert and a Protestant to prove the Mystery of the Trinity to be as absurd a D●ctrine as Transubstantiation By way of short Notes upon the said Dialogue 2. The Doctrine of the Trinity and Transubstantiation compared as to Scripture Reason and Tradition In Answer to the same and in two Parts To which I will add for the Affinity of the Subject two other Treatises viz. 3. A Paraphrase with Notes and a Preface upon the 6th Chapter of St. John shewing that there is neither good Reason nor sufficient Authority to suppose that the Eucharist is discoursed of in that Chapter much less to infer the Doctrine of Transubstantiation from it 4. An Historical Treatise of Transubstantiation written by an Author of the Communion of the Church of Rome Wherein is made appear that according to the Principles of that Church this Doctrine cannot be an Article of Faith. To these Discourses upon this subject we cannot more fitly add any thing than what has lately been done on another relating to the Holy Eucharist viz. 2. Concerning the Real Presence and Adoration of the Host You ought to know very well what gave occasion to this Controversie viz. the two Discourses set out by Mr. W at Oxford on this Subject As for the Answer to them it was sent you into the Country and bears this Title 5. A Discourse of the Holy Eucharist in the two great Points of the Real Presence and of the Adoration of the Host in Answer to the two Discourses set forth at Oxford on the same Subject It was I believe expected that this Controversie would have either exposed our Church had we own'd the extravagant notion of the Real Presence Mr. W would put upon us and which is indeed Cousin German to Transubstantiation or have raised it may be a Civil War amongst us if we did not But I believe both their expectations will fail them for certainly whatever some particular persons may have believed themselves yet the Doctrine of the Church of England is plainly as the Answerer has represented it and as we expect it will be farther proved in the other Reply which we are told is preparing at Oxford by an Eminent Person there to the same Book There is prefixt to this extant a very large Preface which has properly enough retorted Mr. W's Argument and shewn the World that if other Divines as he pretends have believed a Substantial Presence of Christ's Natural Body in the Holy Eucharist 't is more than many of the most Eminent of theirs have done who are here plainly discover'd not to have believed Transubstantiation A third Subject that has given occasion to another Answer is what they have called a Protestants plea for a Socinian The design was to prove that in interpreting Scripture by Reason and not submitting to the Infallible Interpretation of what they call the Church we make an Apology for the Socinians and all other Hereticks whatsoever The falseness of this Pretence has been at large shewn in the Answer which an Eminent person of our Church has lately put out to it called 6. The Difference between the Protestant and Socinian Methods in Answer to a Book Entituled A Protestants Plea for a Socinian In which besides a full account of this matter you will find many other Curiosities relating to the Method and Principles of the Socinians which you have never it may be elswhere met with To these I may add the Answers that have been set forth by way of Notes on some Papers called Lucilla and Elizabeth or the Donatist and Protestant Schisms parallel'd And A Request to Protestants to produce plain Scripture directly authorizing certain Tenets which he there subjoins The Answers are called 7. A Protestant of the Church of England no Donatist 8. An Answer to the Request to Protestants c. Which last Answer has had a Reply called Protestancy destitute of Scripture-proof against which there is I am told a Defence of the Answer now in the Press There are some other little things which I ought not to forget because they have done a great deal of good As The plain mans Reply to the Catholick Missionaries And An Answer to the Eighth Chapter of the Representers second Part in the first Dialogue between him and his Lay-friend Published by the Lay-man of whom I have spoken above As for the Conference at the D. of P. which you have heard of one Mr G. who maintained the Roman side tried to resolve the Infallibility of the Church into Oral Tradition and afterwards boasted so unmeasurably of the Advantages he had made of the Controversie that he drew upon himself a just rebuke in a Printed Paper called A Letter to Mr. G. concerning the Conference at the D. of P. Which having produced two Letters from the other side there presently came forth A second Letter to Mr. G. in Answer to Two Letters lately published concerning the Conference at the D. of P. There is also lately published a Discourse by an Ingenious and worthy Gentleman concerning the Authority of Councils c. to which is added a short but an effectual Answer to the Eighth Theses by which Mr. W. in his Part V. of Church-Government pretends to try the English Reformation The Title is Of the Authority of Councils and the Rule of Faith. By a Person of Quality With an Answer to the Eight Theses laid down for the Trial of the English Reformation in the Book that came last Week from Oxford After which there came forth a Discourse which is here exceedingly well received and the Design whereof is sufficiently explained by the Title Viz. An Apologetical Vindication of the Church of England in Answer to those who reproach her with the English Heresies and Schisms or suspect her not to be a Catholick Church upon their account I ought not to conceal the Answer to that Libel upon the Reformation which you have seen called Pax Vobis though it is not a just Answer to the Book but a Preface rather to more that is to follow The Title is Some Dialogues between Mr. G. and others with Reflexions upon a Book called Pax Vobis When the Answerer has finished his design you may have what remains as I am told under the same Title I shall conclude your Trouble at present with telling you of a Sett of Discourses concerning the Notes of the Church as they are laid down by Bellarmine Thus far the Design has proceeded already 1. A Brief Discourse concerning the Notes of the Church with some Reflexions on Cardinal Bellarmine's Notes 2. Bellarmine's first Note of the Church concerning the Name of Catholick examined 3. The 2d Note of the Church examined viz. Antiquity 4. The 3d Note of the Church examined viz. Duration I perceive we may expect the rest in Order I am Sir Yours c. THE END Imprimatur Liber cui Titulus An Answer to the Representer's Reflections upon the View of the Controversie with a Reply to the Vindicator's Full Answer Jan. 21. 1687. H. Maurice R mo in Christo P. D. Wilhelmo Archiep. Cant. a Sacris

that there was not the least notice taken in it of those Discourses now mentioned and not long before published in behalf of the Church of England against the Church of Rome The discreet Persons of that Communion acknowledged they were above Contempt and it was the general perswasion of our Communion that they would not admit of any just and reasonable Answer and for this very reason some appearance of an Answer was generally expected to save if it might be the reputation of the Roman Cause or at least of the Ability of our Adversaries to maintain it unless they should think fit to let the Controversie lye still which if they had done I believe our Divines had thought themselves obliged by the example not to publish new Books upon it but to content themselves with that diligence in their Parochial Stations that might be sufficient to countermine any secret endeavours to draw People from the Communion of this Church But it seems our Adversaries thought fit to begin a Dispute and that without taking the least notice of what had been so lately done on our side Which tho we wondred at at first yet we have given over wondering at it now that we are something used to their way of Controversie For some of them as the Representer knows can without blushing for the matter drop the Defence of Arguments and the maintaining of Disputes begun by themselves and yet they write on still as if the Cause went for them and they had not made one false step in the management of it But I must now give you a particular account how these Gentlemen began and in what manner they carried on that Assault of which it is possible they may have had some cause to repent them since The first that led the way was one that calls himself R. L. with a Book full of Cunning and Dissimulation intituled A Papist Misrepresented and Represented In which he runs through most of the Points in Controversie between us in a two-fold Character in one of which he pretends to shew that which Papists are commonly misunderstood to be in the other that which as he says they really are The real design of this Method you must know is this Popery in its proper colours is so unlike Catholick Christianity that it is in vain ever to hope to promote it if it appear in its own shape It is necessary therefore that the Religion like the Prophet should come to us in Sheeps cloathing and the Heresie to be made look as Orthodox as is possible Some things are denied others mollified all disguised and a double benefit thereby obtaind Popery is to be received as a very innocent harmless thing and the Protestants especially the Ministers and first Reformers represented to the World as a sort of People that have supported themselves by Calumnies and Lies and made a noise about Errors and Corruptions which are no where to be found but in their own Brains or Books but which the Church of Rome detests no less than We. But this Trick was quickly discovered and the design laid open by an excellent hand in a Treatise which he called I. The Doctrines and Practices of the Church of Rome truly represented in answer to a Book intituled A Papist Misrepresented and Represented c. In which the Author passes through every Point of his Characters and truly states the Question between us and gives a short yet sufficient account of our Reasons against their Tenets I shall not need enlarge my self to give you any account of this Controversie which has been lately summed up to satisfie the World that this Author has taken as little care to defend his Characters as he shew'd Sincerity in the first drawing of them The Books themselves that have passed on both sides are these Reflections upon the Answer to the Papist Misrepresented c. II. A Papist not Misrepresented by Protestants being a Reply to the Reflections c. Papists protesting against Protestant Popery in Answer to a Discourse intituled A Papist not Misrepresented by Protestants III. An Answer to a Discourse intituled Papists protesting against Protestant Popery containing a particular Examination of Monsieur de Meaux late Bishop of Condom's Exposition of the Doctrine of the Church of Rome in the Articles of the Invocation of Saints and Worship of Images An Amicable Accommodation of the difference between the Representer and the Answerer in return to his last reply IV. An Answer to the Amicable Accommodation of the Difference between the Representer and the Answerer A Reply to the Answer to the amicable Accommodation To which has lately been returned V. A View of the whole Controversie between the Representer and the Answerer with an Answer to the Representers last Reply This is in short the Sum of what has hitherto pass'd in this Dispute the Misrepresenter not having yet taken any notice of this new Antagonist who it's thought by some has summ'd up this Controversie so effectually as to put an end to it As for his second Part which he acted afterward under the Character of the Catholick Representer I shall have occasion to give you some farther account of it when I come to those Pieces of our own Divines that have either been the occasion of or the Answers to his Sheets and half Sheets The next that appeared upon the Stage was the famous Bishop of Condom the great Abettor if not Founder of this new Sect of Expositors of their Religion and the occasion of his appearance this Our Misrepresenter being answer'd the first time as has been said by the Learned Author of the Doctrines and Practices of the Church of Rome truly represented The new Method of Expounding and Representing i. e. Dissembling the good Old Doctrine of the Church began to sink and the People who were principally design'd to be seduced by it generally discovered the Snare that had been laid for them It was now too late to recede into the old Popery again The Misrepresenter had not only forsaken but in good measure Anathematiz'd that and profess'd that they abhorr'd it no less than we and therefore to own it now was in effect to confess that we had reason to reform those Errors which themselves were once ashamed to abet So that what remained was to put a good face upon the matter and see if the Original Pattern the pompous Exposition of this Bishop with the long Relation of an Advertisement and the glorious Trains of Briefs and Approbations before and behind might not possibly support the undertaking and keep up the credit of their new Popery which must otherwise necessarily fall Such was the occasion or rather the necessity of publishing this Bishpps Book which you have seen under the Title of The Exposition of the Doctrine of the Catholick Church in matters of Controversie To which there have been two Answers made of one of which there has been no notice taken by the other Party 'T is called I. An Answer to