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A96888	A dialogue, arguing that arch-bishops, bishops, curates, neuters, are to be cut-off by the law of God; therefore all these, with their service, are to be castout by the law of the land. Notwithstanding, the world pleads for their own, why some bishops should be spared; the government maintained; the name had in honour still; but the word of God is cleare against all this, for the casting-of-all-forth. The great question is, which way of government now? For two wayes are contended for, The Presbyteriall and Independent: something is said to both these wayes: but we have a sure word for it, that these two wayes are but in shew two, and will assuredly meet in one. Neuters are shewen openly here, and the curse of God upon them. Presented to the Assembly of Divines.	Woodward, Ezekias, 1590-1675.	1644 (1644)	Wing W3486A; Thomason E34_10; ESTC R22862	54,646	56

cannot answer that question for the Arch-bishops have not preached these I know not how many yeeres and the Bishope preach in the Lent-time onely and then there is such a throng to heare a Bishop preach that I cannot come within hearing Therefore I can give you no certaine report B. Though you heard not the Bishop yet you heard of his Sermon What heard you A. That the Bishop no sooner named his text but he ran away from it as from an adversary with which he could not agree Indeed the report of the Bishops Sermon is very various and monstrous so inconsistent it is with its selfe and with the text for though the sacred Scripture be constant to its selfe yet the Bishop and his Chaplin for he stood-up often in the Bishops place did mould frame and fashion his Text as you can doe Waxe to the fashion of the time or businesse in hand still turning head upon God and his Word and preaching not the preaching which God said unto him but what best agreed with the work in hand Jonah 3. 2. to make the King absolute and the Bishop an absolute Monarch also So they preached for just as the time served so the text should serve Now he preached-up the Kings Prerogative and preached downe the Subjects Priviledge set the Kings throne above GODS throne and his people below his foote This was the chiefe part of the Sermon as pertinent to the Designe in hand as it was crosse to the text Then Episcopacy must be Asserted by Divine Right The Government in the Church must be Monarchicall as in the Civill state it must be absolute And the better to bring about all this They preached-up Ceremonies Altars A brutish service wil render a people brutish and Organs and the lawfulnesse of the warre with Scotland the pursuing that brother with a sword Peace with Rome but no peace with Scotland What ever was the Text that was the Doctrine and subject matter a great while I pray you doe not aske mee any further account of the Bishops Sermon I can give no more account of it than the sick-man can of his dreames Surely It was so Heterogeneous incongruous Inconsistent with I say not baptized Reason but common reason and Baptizatam rationem sense that in very truth no good report can be made thereof B. I beleeve you and therefore I have done with your eare What reade you A. A very godly booke the Arch-bishops against the Jesuit Fisher wherein there is nothing sure to thrust away the people of GOD from the service of GOD but rather from the service of Rome I am confident of that B. Be not so confident of an Arch-bishops booke for as one said of his loving friend a blow from that hand would never hurt him So you may be confident That the Arch-bishop never intended by that booke to hurt the Pope or his Cause but to promote it heartily I doe assure you that the Arch-bishops intent was so honest so true so heartie towards Rome and so false toward the true Church that had he had as many necks as I reade one man had mouthes no fewer than fiftie they deserve every one to be tr●ssed up about with a rope and yet not a full recompence of reward for his ungodly labour in that booke B. Proceed What reade you A. A very pious booke which has thrust us quite off from Rome has caused a deadly fewd betwixt us and Rome it is called No peace with Rome B. There is such a book indeed but you do reade also that the same man has written That Rome is a true Church have you not read so A. Yes and truly me thought there was a great contrarietie in words such a difference as could never be reconciled No peace with Rome yet Rome a true Church it can never be reconciled thought I. B. Yes that it can though not well distinguish the times and persons and all is reconciled The same man writ both No peace with Rome before he was Bishop Rome a true Church after he was Bishop The one as a Minister of Christ the other as a Minister of Antichrist When he was a Bishop he must write as a Bishop that is the point And he could reconcile all very well he had been unbishopt else and so he put forth a book and called it a Reconciler which caused more than a suspition of the man that he was not a fearfull man onely but a right man a Proctor for Rome a subtill broker for Babylon GOD give him an heart to think of this for surely such a man as he should not have given so just a cause of suspition But proceed What reade you A. Pray you doe not trouble me with that question any more let it suffice to tell you what I know in two words the Bishops books and books licenced by their Chaplines if they may be called books are very many and stand as fully charged against their LORD and the Lords Anoynted as any books in Italy or in the Popes Library can doe B. I le aske you no more What you reade but what doe you see doe you see any thing from the Bishops tending to edification A. Yes if edification be a building and setting-up as I thinke the word doth import I see much tending that way I saw Bishop Wrens Library opened where I saw what doe you call them pretty knacks Images and Crucifixes c. All tending to edification of Romes Church and the Popes leige people B. Have you seene any Altars A. You might as well aske mee whether I have seene any Churches or Chappels or Cathedralls for in every of these places there is an Altar and most eminently seene there there is an ascent to it by degrees and steps as to Solomons Throne Indeed I may answer your question in the words of the LORD According to the number of Thy Cities Jer. 2. of thy Cathedralls thy Chancells thy Chappels are thy Altars thy gods O England B. You have bolted out a Truth here I thinke before you were aware I pray you let us understand our selves and examine whether you have spoke a Truth or no I asked you whether you have seene any Altars You answer mee Yes as many as there be Cathedralls and Chapp●lls and then you called them gods I pray you understand that it is not the Bishops calling wood or stone an Altar or the setting of it like a D●esser-board in your Kitchin Altarwise which makes it an Altar No They may for they are B●shops you may not take a stone a● a stock hew and polish the same then ●avish gold out of the bagg and so adorne it though all this cost and paines be bestowed upon it yet it is not an Altar nor a god yet no nor yet when they have set-it-up as was said Altar-wise like the D●●sser table in your Kitchin yet it is not an Altar nor a god yet But if the great man * Isa 2.

A DIALOGUE ARGVING That Arch-Bishops Bishops Curates Neuters are to be cut-off by the Law of GOD Therefore all these with their Service are to be cast-out by The Law of the Land Notwithstanding The world pleads for their own why some Bishops should be spared The Government maintained The name had in honour still But the word of God is cleare against all this for the casting-of-all-forth The great Question is which way of Government now For two wayes are contended for The Presbyteriall and Independent Something is said to both these wayes But we have a sure word for it That these two wayes are but in shew two and will assuredly meet in one Neuters are shewen openly here and the curse of GOD upon them Presented to the Assembly of DIVINES And the Lord hath given a Commandement concerning thee That no more of Thy name shall be sowen I will make thy grave for thou art vile N●h 1. 14 Sing unto the LORD for He has don excellent things This is knowne in all the earth Isa 12. 5. Vpon mount Zion shall be deliverance and there shall be holinesse Obad. 17. They have made themselves vile cast them out of My sight and let them goe forth 1 Sam. 3 13. Jer 15. 1. 〈…〉 that thou stoodst on the other side A looker-on the day of thy brother even thou wast one of them Obad. 11. LONDON Printed by T. P. and M. S. in Gold-Smiths-Alley 1644. TO THE EXCELLENT IN THE LAND Dr. VVILLIAM TWISSE Master of the ASSEMBLY And to the DIVINES there VVith the most highly honoured and dearly beloved The Commissioners for the Church of SCOTLAND AN unknowne person and desires so to be the meanest of many Thousands presents these papers to your hands which he call a Booke having he doubts not Truth and reason for its Parrons * Libri hoc nomine dignandi in veritatis tantum et rationis clientelam se dare debent Ver. de Aug. l 1. Therefore he does not doubt but yee will be its Patrons too yee will countenance these where-ever you find them though amidst some refuse bearing GODS Image and superscription For the man you will weigh him with his full allowance he needs all that and he looks for no more So far as he dares trust a great Deceiver he dares say That he has no other end in this but the glory of GOD and good of his brother That he may be informed if ignorant confirmed if weake convinced if froward and obstinate That is the White he levells at There are Three maine Exceptions 1 Against the Title It is a Dialogue 2 Against the Author A knowne enemy to Bishops sayes Here-say a most notorious liar 3 Against the wayes of worship now For some say There be two I shall endeavour to give cleare satisfaction to all this in the next Pages I cease here to interrupt you any farther so fixed upon your worke Earnestly contending for the faith and striving together each with other and for other in your prayers Now the good will of Him That now dwells in the Bush dwell in your Assembly upon that glory let That defence be and in your houses To supply your absence and all needs there In your severall Congregations and be a small Sanctuary there In your hearts and be Lord and King there Amen The GOD of Truth lead you into all Truth Amen The Lord of Peace Himselfe give you peace alwayes by all meanes That no occasion be given to the Adversary to speake reproachfully Amen The LORD be with you all Amen Take you by the hand keepe you in His way hold you fast to it for the Churches good and your owne good everlasting Amen and Amen By way of Preface to all that love Truth and Peace THat is To all over the Christian world for all love Peace No There is a generation of men That shall leave their names to posteritie for a curse who love Death set themselves in Battle Aray against the Truth and are pretenders to peace no more they hate it in their hearts I doe not feare to point-out these men and to tell who they are They who stand-up for Arch-bishops and Lord-Bishops I call them by that common name though Prelate seemes a more proper name They will maintaine the Government by Bishops and their service in full force and vertue as it followes in our Briefes Notwithstanding that there is all law and reason against it And which is above all Reason though the LORD CHRIT has taken to Himselfe power in all the peoples sight bringing these men downe even to the sides of the pitt whence they shall not returne till they rise to Judgement The common people lookers on now and observing the Princes and Nobles of the world in this eager contention betting with the Divell and staking downe Earldomes and Lordships and the crowne of their glory cannot be perswaded in their hearts That this betting and staking is to winne a very triste to gaine a thing of nought Therefore having such examples before them They stand-up for Bishops also for their Government and service And some of ●hem not common men amongst the commons give their reason why they would have Bishops neither their Government nor their service abolished Because Their No wise Reason from so wise-men forefathers were born dyed under the Bishops Government served God after the Bishops manner and prescribed formes of worship and why should they yeeld to alterations or subscribe their names to a Covenant touching that matter For these mens sakes whom I tender as brethren All made of the same bloud have all the like precious soules bought with the same price professors of the same faith called all by the same name seeme to rejoyce under the same hope looke to inherit the same kingdome for their sakes I have taken this paines To shew them that will not shut their eyes the cleare will and law of God touching the fore-mentioned The throwing downe of the Bishops I carry it no higher the rooting-out of their Government The casting-out of their service The abolishing of their name There be three maine exceptions now as was said I le tell what they are and remove them as I can 1. It is a Dialogue and therein I dispute and argue the case with my selfe and so wise I am I will put no other arguments to my selfe but what I can tell my selfe how to answer And so I must needs overcome as the Boy must winne the game that playes with himselfe To this I make answer first 1 I thought A continued discourse not so proper as a Dialogue that the phancie might have more libertie to worke upon the understanding 2 I can say truly That this is no fained disputation but truly and really acted onely now enlarged with such Objections and Answers which upon due considerations I could imagine might be made for the upholding of the Bishops the continuance of their Government or the name I say againe and