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unchristian_a assembly_n these_o thing_n be_v say_v out_o of_o these_o author_n not_o suppose_v that_o every_o thing_n of_o this_o shall_v be_v prove_v from_o every_o one_o of_o they_o but_o the_o whole_a of_o it_o by_o its_o several_a part_n from_o all_o these_o put_v together_o 1._o that_o the_o bishop_n of_o francfurt_n condemn_v the_o synod_n of_o nice_a or_o the_o seven_o general_n whether_o the_o dissuasive_a have_v say_v this_o true_o out_o of_o the_o author_n quote_v by_o he_o we_o need_v no_o further_a proof_n but_o the_o confession_n of_o bellarmine_n quia_fw-la lib._n 2._o the_o imagine_v c._n 14._o sect._n secundò_fw-la quia_fw-la auctores_fw-la antiqui_fw-la omnes_fw-la conveniunt_fw-la in_o hoc_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o concilio_fw-la francofordiensi_fw-la sit_fw-la reprobata_fw-la synodus_fw-la vii_o quae_fw-la decreverat_fw-la imagine_v adorandas_fw-la ita_fw-la hincmarus_n aimoinus_n rhegino_n ado_n &_o alii_fw-la passim_fw-la docent_fw-la so_o that_o if_o the_o objector_n blame_v the_o dissuasive_a for_o allege_v these_o authority_n let_v he_o first_o blame_n bellarmine_n who_o confess_v that_o to_o be_v true_a which_o the_o dissuasive_a here_o affirm_v now_o that_o by_o the_o vii_o synod_n bellarmine_n mean_v the_o ii_o nicene_n obstat_fw-la sect._n neque_fw-la obstat_fw-la appear_v by_o his_o own_o word_n in_o the_o same_o chapter_n videtur_fw-la igitur_fw-la mihi_fw-la in_o synodo_fw-la francofordiensi_fw-la veer_fw-la reprobatam_fw-la nicaenam_fw-la ii_o synodum_fw-la sed_fw-la per_fw-la errorem_fw-la &_o materialiter_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o bellarmine_n be_v in_o the_o right_a not_o only_o those_o which_o the_o dissuasive_a quote_v but_o all_o the_o ancient_a writer_n say_v bellarmine_n so_o the_o author_n of_o the_o life_n of_o charles_n the_o great_a speak_v of_o the_o council_n of_o francfurt_n there_o queen_n fastrada_n die_v pseudosynodus_fw-la graecorum_n quam_fw-la falso_fw-la septimam_fw-la vocabant_fw-la pro_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la rejecta_fw-la est_fw-la a_o pontificibus_fw-la the_o same_o be_v affirm_v by_o the_o annal_n of_o the_o franc_n 794._o franc_n ad_fw-la annum_fw-la 794._o by_o adhelmus_fw-la benedictinus_n in_o his_o annal_n in_o the_o same_o year_n by_o hincmarus_n rhemensis_n 20._o rhemensis_n opusc._n 55._o n._n cap._n 20._o in_o a_o epistle_n to_o hincmarus_n his_o nephew_n by_o strabus_n the_o monk_n of_o fulda_n rhegino_n prumiensis_fw-la urspergensis_n and_o hermanus_n contractus_fw-la in_o their_o annal_n and_o chronicle_n of_o the_o year_n 794._o by_o ado_n viennensis_fw-la 792._o viennensis_fw-la chron._n aetat_fw-la 6_o ad_fw-la annum_fw-la christi_fw-la eundem_fw-la &_o 792._o sed_fw-la pseudosynodus_fw-la quam_fw-la septimam_fw-la graeci_fw-la appellant_n pro_fw-la adorandis_fw-la imaginibus_fw-la abdicata_fw-la penitus_fw-la the_o same_o be_v affirm_v by_o the_o annal_n of_o eginhardus_fw-la annum_fw-la eginhardus_fw-la ad_fw-la eund_n annum_fw-la and_o by_o aimoinus_n 85._o aimoinus_n lib._n 4._o c_o 85._o and_o aventinus_n i_o can_v reckon_v many_o more_o if_o more_o be_v necessary_a but_o these_o be_v they_o who_o the_o dissuasive_a quote_v and_o some_o more_o against_o this_o truth_n nothing_o material_a can_v be_v say_v only_o that_o hincmarus_n and_o aimoinus_n which_o be_v two_o who_o the_o dissuasive_a quote_v do_v not_o say_v that_o the_o synod_n of_o francfurt_n reject_v the_o second_o nicene_n but_o the_o synod_n of_o c._n p._n but_o to_o this_o bellarmine_n himself_o answer_v that_o it_o be_v true_a they_o do_v so_o but_o it_o be_v by_o mistake_n and_o that_o they_o mean_v the_o council_n which_o be_v keep_v at_o nice_a so_o that_o the_o dissuasive_a be_v justify_v by_o his_o great_a adversary_n but_o david_n blondel_n answer_v this_o objection_n by_o say_v that_o c._n p._n be_v the_o head_n of_o the_o eastern_a empire_n these_o author_n use_v the_o name_n of_o the_o imperial_a city_n for_o the_o province_n under_o it_o which_o answer_n though_o it_o be_v ingenious_a yet_o i_o rather_o believe_v that_o the_o error_n come_v first_o from_o the_o council_n of_o francfurt_n who_o call_v it_o the_o synod_n at_o c._n p._n and_o that_o after_o it_o these_o author_n take_v it_o up_o but_o that_o error_n be_v not_o great_a but_o always_o excusable_a if_o not_o warrantable_a because_o the_o second_o nicene_n council_n be_v first_o appoint_v to_o be_v at_o c._n p._n but_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o tumult_n of_o the_o people_n be_v translate_v to_o nice_a but_o to_o proceed_v that_o blondus_n who_o the_o dissuasive_a also_o quote_v say_v the_o synod_n of_o francfurt_n abrogate_a the_o seven_o synod_n the_o objector_n confess_v and_o add_v that_o it_o confute_v the_o felician_n heresy_n for_o take_v away_o of_o image_n concern_v which_o lest_o the_o less_o wary_a reader_n shall_v suppose_v the_o synod_n of_o francfurt_n to_o have_v determine_v for_o image_n as_o alan_n cope_n gregory_n de_fw-fr valentia_n vasquez_n suarez_n and_o binius_fw-la will_v fain_o have_v the_o world_n believe_v i_o shall_v note_v that_o the_o synod_n of_o francfurt_n do_v at_o the_o same_o time_n condemn_v the_o heresy_n of_o felix_n urgetitanus_n which_o be_v that_o christ_n be_v the_o adopt_a son_n of_o god_n now_o because_o in_o this_o synod_n be_v condemn_v the_o breaker_n of_o image_n and_o the_o worshipper_n of_o image_n some_o ignorant_o among_o which_o be_v this_o gentleman_n the_o objector_n have_v suppose_v that_o the_o felician_n heresy_n be_v that_o of_o the_o iconoclast_n 2._o now_o for_o the_o second_o thing_n which_o the_o dissuasive_a say_v from_o these_o author_n that_o the_o father_n at_o francfurt_n command_v that_o the_o second_o nicene_n shall_v not_o be_v call_v a_o general_a council_n that_o matter_n be_v sufficient_o clear_v in_o the_o proof_n of_o the_o first_o particular_a for_o if_o they_o abrogate_a it_o and_o call_v it_o pseudosynodum_fw-la and_o decree_v against_o it_o hoc_fw-la ipso_fw-la they_o cause_v it_o shall_v not_o be_v or_o be_v call_v a_o general_n synod_n but_o i_o shall_v declare_v what_o the_o synod_n do_v in_o the_o word_n of_o adhelmus_fw-la benedictinus_n annal_n in_o annal_n synodus_fw-la etiam_fw-la quae_fw-la paucos_fw-la ante_fw-la annos_fw-la c._n
p._n sub_fw-la helena_n &_o constantino_n filio_fw-la ejus_fw-la congregata_fw-la &_o ab_fw-la ipsis_fw-la non_fw-la tantum_fw-la septima_fw-la verum_fw-la etiam_fw-la universalis_fw-la est_fw-la appellata_fw-la ut_fw-la nec_fw-la septima_fw-la nec_fw-la universalis_fw-la diceretur_fw-la habereturque_fw-la quasi_fw-la supervacua_fw-la in_fw-la totum_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la abdicata_fw-la est_fw-la 3._o now_o for_o the_o three_o thing_n which_o the_o dissuasive_a say_v that_o they_o publish_v a_o book_n under_o the_o name_n of_o the_o emperor_n i_o be_o to_o answer_v that_o such_o a_o book_n about_o that_o time_n within_o three_o or_o four_o year_n of_o it_o be_v publish_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o emperor_n be_v notorious_o know_v and_o there_o be_v great_a reason_n to_o believe_v it_o be_v write_v three_o or_o four_o year_n before_o the_o synod_n and_o send_v by_o the_o emperor_n to_o the_o pope_n but_o that_o divers_a of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v endeavour_v to_o persuade_v the_o world_n that_o the_o emperor_n do_v not_o write_v it_o but_o that_o it_o be_v write_v by_o the_o synod_n and_o contain_v the_o act_n of_o the_o synod_n but_o publish_v under_o the_o emperor_n name_n now_o this_o the_o dissuasive_a affirm_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o hincmarus_n who_o do_v affirm_v it_o quia_fw-la vide_fw-la supra_fw-la sect._n primò_fw-la quia_fw-la and_o of_o the_o same_o opinion_n be_v bellarmine_n scripti_fw-la videntur_fw-la in_o synodo_fw-la francofordiensi_fw-la &_o acta_fw-la continere_fw-la synodi_fw-la francofordiensis_fw-la &_o enim_fw-la asserit_fw-la hincmarus_n ejus_fw-la temporis_fw-la author_n so_o that_o by_o all_o this_o the_o reader_n may_v plain_o see_v how_o careful_a the_o dissuasive_a be_v in_o what_o be_v affirm_v and_o how_o careless_a this_o gentleman_n be_v of_o what_o he_o object_n only_o this_o i_o add_v that_o though_o it_o be_v say_v that_o this_o book_n contain_v the_o act_n of_o the_o synod_n of_o francfurt_n though_o it_o may_v be_v partly_o true_a yet_o not_o whole_o for_o this_o synod_n do_v indeed_o do_v so_o much_o against_o that_o of_o the_o greek_n and_o be_v so_o decretory_a against_o the_o worship_n of_o image_n quod_fw-la omnino_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la dei_fw-la execratur_fw-la 793._o a._n d._n 793._o say_v hoveden_n and_o matthew_n of_o westminster_n that_o it_o be_v vehement_o suspect_v that_o the_o patron_n of_o image_n the_o objector_n know_v who_o i_o mean_v have_v take_v a_o timely_a course_n with_o it_o so_o that_o the_o monument_n of_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v see_v nor_o yet_o a_o famous_a and_o excellent_a epistle_n of_o alcuinus_fw-la write_v against_o the_o greek_a synod_n though_o his_o other_o work_n be_v in_o a_o large_a volume_n careful_o enough_o preserve_v it_o be_v urge_v as_o a_o argument_n a_fw-fr minori_fw-la ad_fw-la majus_fw-la image_n of_o make_v of_o image_n that_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n it_o be_v account_v unlawful_a to_o make_v image_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v impossible_a that_o the_o worship_n of_o image_n shall_v then_o be_v the_o doctrine_n or_o practice_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n 27._o a._n l._n p._n 27._o to_o this_o purpose_n clemens_n alexandrinus_n tertullian_n and_o origen_n be_v allege_v first_o for_o tertullian_n of_o who_o the_o letter_n say_v that_o he_o say_v no_o such_o thing_n sure_o it_o be_v this_o man_n do_v not_o care_n what_o he_o say_v suppose_v it_o sufficient_a to_o pass_v the_o common_a reader_n to_o say_v tertullian_n do_v not_o say_v for_o what_o he_o be_v allege_v for_o more_o will_v believe_v he_o than_o examine_v he_o but_o the_o word_n of_o tertullian_n shall_v manifest_v the_o strange_a confidence_n of_o this_o person_n the_o quotation_n out_o of_o tertullian_n be_v only_o note_v in_o the_o margin_n but_o the_o word_n be_v not_o cite_v but_o now_o they_o must_v to_o justify_v i_o and_o themselves_o 3._o cap._n 3._o 1._o that_o reference_n to_o tertullia_n book_n of_o idolatry_n the_o objector_n take_v no_o notice_n of_o as_o know_v it_o will_v reproach_v he_o too_o plain_o see_v the_o word_n the_o artificer_n of_o statue_n and_o image_n and_o all_o kind_n of_o representation_n simulachrorum_fw-la diabolum_fw-la soeculo_fw-la intulisse_fw-la artifices_fw-la statuarum_fw-la &_o imaginum_fw-la &_o omnis_fw-la generis_fw-la simulachrorum_fw-la the_o devil_n bring_v into_o the_o world_n and_o when_o he_o have_v give_v the_o etymology_n of_o a_o idol_n say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v formula_fw-la he_o add_v igitur_fw-la omnis_fw-la forma_fw-la vel_fw-la formula_fw-la idolum_fw-la se_fw-la dici_fw-la exposcit_fw-la ind_n omnis_fw-la idoli_fw-la artifex_fw-la ejusdem_fw-la &_o unius_fw-la est_fw-la criminis_fw-la and_o a_o little_a before_o exinde_fw-la jam_fw-la caput_fw-la facta_fw-la est_fw-la idololatriae_fw-la ars_fw-la omnis_fw-la quae_fw-la idolum_fw-la quoquo_fw-la modo_fw-la edit_fw-la and_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o four_o chapter_n idolum_fw-la tam_fw-la fieri_fw-la quam_fw-la coli_fw-la deus_fw-la prohibet_fw-la quanto_fw-la praecedit_fw-la ut_fw-la fiat_fw-la quod_fw-la coli_fw-la possit_fw-la tanto_fw-la prius_fw-la est_fw-la ne_fw-la fiat_fw-la si_fw-la coli_fw-la non_fw-la licet_fw-la and_o again_o toto_fw-la mundo_fw-la ejusmodi_fw-la artibus_fw-la interdixit_fw-la seruis_fw-la dei_fw-la and_o a_o little_a after_o he_o bring_v in_o some_o or_o other_o object_v sed_fw-la ait_fw-la quidam_fw-la adversus_fw-la similitudinis_fw-la interdictae_fw-la propositionem_fw-la cur_n ergo_fw-la moses_n in_fw-la eremo_fw-la simulachrum_fw-la serpentis_fw-la ex_fw-la aere_fw-la fecit_fw-la to_o this_o at_o last_o he_o answer_v si_fw-mi eundem_fw-la deum_fw-la observas_fw-la habes_fw-la legem_fw-la ejus_fw-la ne_fw-la feceris_fw-la similitudinem_fw-la si_fw-la &_o praeceptum_fw-la factae_fw-la postea_fw-la similitudinis_fw-la respicis_fw-la &_o tu_fw-la imitare_fw-la moysen_n ne_fw-fr facias_fw-la adversus_fw-la legem_fw-la simulachrum_fw-la aliquod_fw-la nisi_fw-la &_o tibi_fw-la deus_fw-la jusserit_fw-la now_o here_o be_v no_o subterfuge_n for_o any_o one_o for_o tertullian_n first_o fay_v the_o devil_n bring_v into_o the_o world_n all_o the_o artist_n and_o maker_n of_o statue_n image_n and_o all_o sort_n of_o similitude_n 2._o he_o make_v all_o these_o to_o be_v the_o same_o with_o idol_n and_o 3._o that_o god_n as_o well_o forbid_v the_o make_n of_o these_o and_o the_o worship_n of_o they_o and_o that_o the_o maker_n be_v guilty_a of_o the_o same_o crime_n and_o last_o i_o add_v his_o definition_n of_o idolatry_n idololatria_fw-la est_fw-la omnis_fw-la circa_fw-la omne_fw-la idolum_fw-la famulatus_fw-la &_o servitus_fw-la every_o image_n be_v a_o idol_n and_o every_o service_n and_o obeisance_n about_o any_o or_o every_o idol_n be_v idolatry_n i_o hope_v all_o this_o put_v together_o will_v convince_v the_o gentleman_n that_o deny_v it_o that_o tertullian_n have_v say_v some_o such_o thing_n as_o the_o dissuasive_a quote_v he_o for_o now_o for_o the_o other_o place_n quote_v 22._o lib._n 2._o advers._fw-la marc._n c._n 22._o the_o word_n be_v these_o proinde_fw-la &_o similitudinem_fw-la vetans_fw-la fieri_fw-la omnium_fw-la quae_fw-la in_o coelo_fw-la &_o in_fw-la terra_fw-la &_o in_fw-la aquis_fw-la ostendit_fw-la &_o causas_fw-la idololatriae_fw-la scilicet_fw-la substantiam_fw-la exhibentes_fw-la god_n forbid_v all_o similitude_n to_o be_v make_v of_o thing_n in_o heaven_n and_o earth_n and_o in_o the_o water_n show_v the_o cause_n that_o restrain_v idolatry_n the_o cause_n of_o idolatry_n he_o more_o full_o describe_v in_o the_o forecited_n place_n quando_fw-la enim_fw-la &_o sine_fw-la idolo_fw-la idololatria_fw-la fiat_fw-la for_o he_o suppose_v the_o make_n of_o the_o image_n to_o be_v the_o cause_n of_o their_o worship_v and_o he_o call_v this_o make_v statue_n and_o image_n daemoniis_fw-la corpora_fw-la facere_fw-la 22._o lib._n 4._o c._n 22._o but_o there_o be_v yet_o another_o place_n in_o his_o book_n against_o martion_n where_o tertullian_n affirm_v that_o s._n peter_n know_v moses_n and_o elias_n on_o mount_n tabor_n by_o a_o spiritual_a ecstasy_n say_v it_o upon_o this_o reason_n nec_fw-la enim_fw-la imagine_v eorum_fw-la aut_fw-la statuas_fw-la populus_fw-la habuisset_fw-la aut_fw-la similitudines_fw-la lege_fw-la prohibente_fw-la the_o same_o also_o be_v to_o be_v see_v in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr spectaculis_fw-la c._n 23._o jam_fw-la vero_fw-la ipsum_fw-la opus_fw-la personarum_fw-la quaero_fw-la a_o deo_fw-la placeat_fw-la qui_fw-la omnem_fw-la similitudinem_fw-la vetat_fw-la fieri_fw-la quanto_fw-la magis_fw-la imaginis_fw-la suae_fw-la by_o this_o time_n i_o hope_v the_o gentleman_n think_v himself_o in_o some_o shame_n for_o deny_v that_o tertullian_n say_v the_o make_n of_o image_n to_o be_v unlawful_a now_o let_v we_o see_v for_o the_o other_o two_o author_n quote_v by_o the_o dissuasive_a 27._o pag._n 27._o the_o objector_n in_o the_o letter_n say_v they_o only_o speak_v of_o make_v the_o image_n of_o jupiter_n and_o the_o other_o heathen_a god_n but_o e._n w._n say_v he_o can_v find_v those_o quotation_n out_o of_o clemens_n alexandria_n 55._o pag._n 54._o 55._o because_o the_o book_n quote_v be_v too_o big_a and_o he_o can_v not_o espy_v they_o the_o author_n of_o the_o letter_n never_o examine_v they_o but_o take_v they_o for_o