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A12484 Of the author and substance of the protestant church and religion two bookes. Written first in Latin by R.S. Doctour of Diuinity, and now reuiewed by the author, and translated into English by VV. Bas.; De auctore et essentia Protestanticae Ecclesiae et religionis libri duo. English Smith, Richard, 1566-1655.; Bas., W. 1621 (1621) STC 22812; ESTC S117611 239,031 514

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in_o his_o synopsis_n cont_n 2._o quest_n 3._o pag._n 104_o we_o say_v that_o schismatik_n though_o they_o hold_v some_o false_a point_n of_o doctrine_n yet_o if_o their_o error_n be_v not_o fundamental_a and_o if_o they_o retain_v the_o purity_n of_o doctrine_n in_o all_o point_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n may_v make_v a_o particular_a church_n by_o themselves_o these_o be_v their_o acknowledgement_n touch_v heretic_n and_o schismatic_n in_o general_n grecian_n they_o acknowledge_v the_o grecian_n let_v we_o now_o descend_v to_o particularity_n and_o see_v the_o courteous_a admission_n they_o give_v to_o some_o of_o they_o by_o name_n 8._o the_o grecian_n and_o other_o eastern_a schismatik_n yea_o heretic_n to_o for_o the_o most_o part_n find_v that_o favour_n at_o their_o hand_n as_o they_o vouchsafe_v to_o account_v they_o member_n of_o their_o church_n his_o majesty_n epist_n ad_fw-la card._n peron_n pa._n 13_o have_v thus_o 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3._o de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 5._o &_o 28._o d._n fulke_o de_fw-fr success_n pag._n 120._o burhill_n pro_fw-la tortura_fw-la torti_n c._n 15._o and_o other_o 9_o and_o sometime_o they_o be_v not_o less_o freeharted_n towards_o western_a heretic_n melancthon_n in_o locis_fw-la à_fw-it maulio_fw-it editi●tit_fw-la de_fw-fr eccles_n pag._n 491._o write_v that_o two_o girl_n who_o be_v burn_v as_o he_o say_v for_o anabaptisme_n anabaptist_n they_o challenge_v the_o anabaptist_n hold_v the_o foundation_n of_o say_v and_o die_v in_o a_o good_a confession_n and_o zuinglius_fw-la tom_n 2._o lib._n the_o author_n sedit_fw-la fol._n 134._o &_o seq_fw-la exhort_v his_o fellower_n not_o to_o revolt_v from_o his_o doctrine_n for_o the_o debate_n and_o quarrel_n between_o the_o protestant_n and_o the_o anabaptist_n call_v both_o part_n most_o learned_a and_o son_n of_o the_o same_o father_n neither_o must_v thou_o say_v he_o give_v any_o man_n way_n to_o shake_v and_o weake●_n thy_o say_v although_o thou_o see_v that_o man_n of_o the_o great_a learning_n move_v dispute_n and_o fall_v by_o the_o care_n with_o much_o eagerness_n of_o contention_n touch_v external_a matter_n he_o mean_v baptism_n but_o let_v this_o be_v rather_o thy_o steadfast_a persuasion_n that_o by_o the_o son_n of_o god_n we_o be_v all_o make_v son_n of_o the_o same_o father_n again_o neither_o be_o i_o wont_a to_o speak_v these_o thing_n for_o that_o i_o be_o so_o great_o move_v with_o the_o baptism_n of_o child_n and_o ibidem_fw-la lib._n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la fol._n 96._o he_o say_v that_o baptism_n be_v a_o matter_n of_o ceremony_n which_o the_o church_n may_v omit_v or_o take_v quite_o away_o oecolampadius_n in_o his_o 2._o book_n of_o epistle_n p._n 363._o say_v baptism_n be_v a_o external_a thing_n which_o by_o the_o law_n of_o charity_n may_v be_v dispense_v withal_o and_o musculus_fw-la in_o locis_fw-la do_fw-mi de_fw-fr haeresi_fw-la pag._n 605._o reckon_v the_o anabaptist_n among_o those_o who_o
messiah_n to_o be_v that_o notable_a antichrist_n foretell_v in_o scripture_n for_o thus_o write_v m._n powell_n lib._n de_fw-la antichristo_fw-la cap._n 33._o pag._n 338_o i_o will_v in_o no_o wise_n say_v that_o all_o the_o pope_n from_o the_o time_n wherein_o papistry_n be_v first_o reveal_v to_o be_v antichristianity_n be_v damn_v howbeit_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o his_o book_n he_o make_v this_o protestation_n i_o solemn_o take_v god_n to_o record_v that_o i_o as_o certain_o know_v the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v that_o great_a antichrist_n and_o the_o popish_a church_n to_o be_v the_o synagogue_n of_o antichrist_n as_o i_o know_v god_n to_o be_v in_o the_o heaven_n or_o jesus_n christ_n to_o be_v the_o true_a messiah_n promise_v to_o the_o father_n d._n whitaker_n likewise_o come_v 4._o q._n 5._o cap._n 3._o pag._n 694._o say_v let_v we_o cry_v aloud_o and_o swear_v by_o he_o who_o live_v for_o ever_o that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v antichrist_n and_o to_o d._n sanders_n last_o demonstration_n that_o the_o pope_n be_v not_o antichrist_n pag._n 799_o we_o may_v take_v that_o most_o sacred_a and_o most_o true_a oath_n and_o swear_v by_o he_o who_o live_v for_o ever_o that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v the_o very_a antichrist_n and_o nevertheless_o in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o first_o demonstration_n he_o say_v with_o m._n powell_n i_o will_v not_o say_v that_o from_o the_o time_n that_o papistry_n begin_v to_o be_v antichristianity_n the_o pope_n themselves_o have_v be_v all_o damn_a and_o both_o he_o cap._n cit_fw-la p●g_n 679._o &_o 682._o &_o other_o protestant_n ordinary_o affirm_v that_o antichrists_n sea_n shall_v be_v in_o the_o true_a church_n among_o the_o company_n of_o the_o saythfull_a and_o that_o he_o shall_v be_v a_o citizen_n and_o inhabitant_n and_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n to_o who_o i_o pray_v will_v these_o man_n deny_v salvation_n or_o a_o place_n in_o their_o church_n who_o grant_v it_o unto_o antichrist_n the_o swear_a enemy_n of_o christ_n who_o the_o scripture_n itself_o style_v christ_n adversary_n the_o man_n of_o sin_n the_o son_n of_o perdition_n i_o see_v not_o why_o they_o shall_v henceforward_o upbraid_v we_o with_o antichrist_n since_o they_o themselves_o claim_v he_o for_o a_o member_n of_o their_o church_n 6._o it_o be_v also_o certain_a that_o they_o challenge_v atheist_n for_o illyricus_n in_o catel_n lib._n 9_o col_fw-fr 1916._o d●_n humphrey_n respon_n ad_fw-la rat._n 3._o atheist_n that_o they_o challenge_v atheist_n camp_n m._n fox_n in_o his_o act_n print_v anno_o 1596._o pag._n 646._o allot_v that_o atheist_n machiavelli_n a_o honourable_a room_n among_o the_o witness_n and_o maintainer_n of_o the_o truth_n and_o luther_n apud_fw-la manlium_fw-la in_o loc_fw-la do_fw-mi de_fw-fr eccl._n pag._n 483._o layth_n of_o valla_n that_o he_o give_v place_n to_o none_o but_o epicure_n himself_o and_o profess_v open_o that_o he_o hold_v opinion_n repugnant_a to_o the_o foundation_n 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the_o church_n pag._n 95_o that_o they_o profess_v among_o themselves_o osiander_n in_o his_o manuel_n pag._n 59_o in_o the_o visible_a church_n of_o rome_n there_o be_v the_o invisible_a company_n of_o believer_n hide_v to_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o world_n caelius_n secundus_fw-la curio_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o lardgne_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n pag._n 212_o it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o for_o many_o year_n the_o church_n lie_v hide_v and_o that_o the_o citizen_n of_o this_o kingdom_n can_v scarce_o or_o not_o at_o all_o be_v discern_v from_o other_o and_o the_o scot_n in_o their_o general_a confession_n we_o say_v that_o this_o be_v the_o only_a true_a christian_a say_v which_o be_v now_o reveal_v to_o the_o world_n thus_o they_o acknowledge_v that_o before_o luther_n tym_fw-mi protestant_n be_v unknown_a to_o the_o pope_n and_o his_o officer_n to_o their_o
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cit_fw-la pag._n 713_o the_o question_n be_v of_o the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n whereof_o it_o be_v say_v in_o the_o creed_n i_o believe_v the_o holy_a church_n bellarmine_n will_v have_v it_o to_o be_v the_o visible_a we_o deny_v it_o the_o like_a he_o say_v pag._n 789._o 717._o 718._o and_o 725._o vorstius_n in_o his_o antibellarm_n pag._n 144_o we_o profess_v not_o in_o the_o creed_n to_o believe_v the_o visible_a church_n but_o the_o invisible_a d._n whitaker_n lib._n 3._o against_o duraeus_n sect_n ult_fw-ge you_o see_v what_o catholic_a church_n we_o believe_v not_o the_o visible_a multitude_n of_o christian_n but_o the_o holy_a company_n of_o the_o elect_a the_o same_o he_o say_v cont._n 2._o quest_n 2._o cap._n 2._o brentius_n in_o prolegominis_n pag._n 2._o and_o other_o common_o furthermore_o they_o say_v that_o the_o visible_a church_n be_v not_o the_o true_a church_n in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n for_o caluin_n in_o his_o 4._o book_n of_o institution_n cap._n 1._o §_o 7._o god_n they_o say_v the_o visible_a church_n be_v not_o the_o true_a church_n before_o god_n and_o the_o rest_n grant_v that_o both_o wicked_a and_o reprobate_a christian_n may_v be_v of_o the_o visible_a church_n but_o deny_v that_o they_o can_v be_v of_o the_o true_a church_n in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n now_o sure_o if_o the_o visible_a church_n be_v neither_o the_o true_a church_n in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n nor_o she_o to_o who_o he_o have_v promise_v perpetuity_n nor_o she_o which_o protestant_n do_v believe_v what_o reason_n can_v they_o have_v to_o believe_v that_o the_o visible_a church_n shall_v always_o remain_v or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o that_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v always_o visible_a again_o their_o common_a doctrine_n be_v that_o preach_v of_o true_a doctrine_n be_v the_o note_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n for_o so_o teach_v the_o confession_n of_o auspurg_n cap._n 7._o the_o english_a confession_n artic_a 19_o and_o all_o the_o rest_n to_o which_o his_o majesty_n in_o his_o epist_n to_o cardinal_n peron_n d._n whitaker_n contr._n 2._o q_o 5._o c._n 17._o d._n morton_n part_n 1._o apol._n l._n 1._o c._n 6._o m._n willet_n in_o his_o synopsis_n cont._n 2._o quest_n 3._o pag._n 102._o sadeel_n to_o turtians_n sophism_n loc_fw-la 5._o vorstius_n in_o antibellarm_n pag._n 145._o and_o other_o do_v add_v that_o it_o be_v a_o essential_a note_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n and_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o they_o must_v say_v so_o because_o they_o use_v to_o define_v the_o visible_a church_n to_o be_v a_o company_n wherein_o the_o pure_a word_n of_o god_n be_v preach_v &_o the_o sacrament_n right_o administer_v for_o so_o it_o be_v define_v of_o the_o english_a confession_n and_o of_o sadeel_n lib._n cit_fw-la of_o whitaker_n quest_n 5._o cit_fw-la cap._n 20._o of_o melancthon_n tom_n 1._o in_o cap._n 15._o matth._n and_o of_o other_o general_o but_o before_o luther_n there_o be_v no_o preach_n of_o protestantisme_n as_o we_o shall_v hear_v they_o confess_v cap._n 7._o therefore_o there_o be_v then_o no_o visible_a protestant_n church_n final_o sometime_o they_o say_v that_o not_o only_o preach_v of_o the_o word_n but_o that_o also_o a_o lawful_a ministry_n or_o that_o not_o only_o what_o true_a preach_n soever_o but_o also_o such_o as_o be_v make_v by_o a_o lawful_a minister_n of_o the_o word_n be_v of_o the_o essence_n and_o substance_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n for_o thus_o write_v d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2._o q._n 5._o cap._n 19_o pag._n 550_o stapleton_n say_v that_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o gospel_n by_o lawful_a minister_n be_v the_o proper_a note_n of_o the_o church_n and_o we_o say_v no_o otherwise_o and_n pag._n 551._o that_o he_o confess_v true_a preach_n by_o a_o lawful_a ministry_n to_o be_v a_o note_n of_o the_o church_n be_v no_o other_o thing_n then_o that_o we_o say_v and_o defend_v the_o like_a have_v sadeel_n in_o the_o place_n now_o cite_v and_o the_o swisser_n confession_n cap._n 17._o put_v lawful_a preach_n for_o the_o chief_a note_n of_o the_o church_n caluin_n 4._o institut_fw-la cap._n 2._o §_o 1._o for_o a_o perpetual_a note_n &_o the_o conclusion_n defend_v at_o geneva_n pag._n 845._o for_o a_o essential_a note_n thereof_o but_o before_o luther_n there_o be_v no_o protestant_a minister_n at_o all_o as_o we_o shall_v hereafter_o hear_v the_o protestant_n confess_v therefore_o no_o visible_a protestant_n church_n 8._o by_o that_o which_o have_v be_v rehearse_v it_o be_v manifest_a confession_n sum_z of_o the_o foresay_a confession_n that_o very_o many_o and_o very_o famous_a protestant_n have_v often_o and_o plain_o confess_v that_o when_o luther_n come_v first_o as_o they_o speak_v to_o the_o gospel_n the_o protestant_a church_n and_o religion_n be_v not_o visible_a say_v hide_v lurk_v lie_v in_o the_o wilderness_n in_o lurk_a hole_n indarknesse_n in_o trophonius_n his_o den_n be_v bury_v be_v unknown_a unheard_a of_o appear_v to_o none_o can_v not_o be_v discern_v 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93._o 238._o 488._o 493._o 493._o tom_n 3._o fol._n 555_o tom_n 5._o fol._n 290._o tom_n 6._o fol._n 79._o and_o other_o where_o often_o second_o it_o arise_v that_o true_a protestancie_n be_v call_v lutheran_n doctrine_n the_o lutheran_n cause_n the_o lutheran_n religion_n lutheran_n protestant_n term_v themselves_o lutheran_n the_o lutheran_n business_n and_o lutheranisme_n of_o luther_n himself_o tom_n 2._o fol._n 37._o and_o 497._o of_o frederick_n the_o electour_n tom_fw-mi 1_o lutheri_fw-la fol._n 237._o of_o his_o counsellor_n tom_n 2._o fol._n 116._o of_o the_o divine_v of_o mansfeld_n in_o schusselburg_n tom_n 8._o pag._n 270._o of_o schusselburg_n himself_o epist_n dedicat_fw-la tom_fw-mi 4._o of_o melancthon_n tom_n 2._o lutheri_fw-la fol._n 193._o 197._o of_o kemmice_n epist_n dedicat_fw-la lib._n de_fw-fr duabus_fw-la naturis_fw-la of_o hutter_n in_o analysi_fw-la confess_v august_n pag._n 595._o of_o brunsfelse_a respon_n ad_fw-la spongiam_fw-la erasmi_n or_o lobeen●us_o in_o epist_n dedicat_fw-la disput_fw-la o●_n george_n fabritius_n l_o b._n 1_n &_o 8._o orig._n saxon._n and_o of_o other_o lutheran_n and_o in_o like_a manner_n of_o sacramenttary_n also_o as_o of_o bucer_n in_o matth._n 26._o &_o lib._n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la animorum_fw-la pag._n 261._o of_o hospin_n prefat_n part_n 2_o histor_n of_o scultere_fw-la con._n saecular_a of_o d._n morton_n 1._o part_n apol._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 45._o and_o other_o three_o thereof_o proceed_v that_o the_o true_a and_o proper_a protestant_n be_v call_v lutheran_n both_o of_o themselves_o and_o of_o other_o for_o thus_o speak_v luther_n in_o psalm_n 118._o tom_n 7._o fol._n 551_o i_o grant_v myself_o to_o be_v a_o lutheran_n and_o in_o like_a manner_n speak_v he_o ibidem_fw-la fol._n 79._o 242._o 233._o 361._o &_o 400._o and_o tom_n 2._o fol._n 473._o and_o in_o hospin_n part_n 2._o fol._n 134._o so_o also_o speak_v melancthon_n in_o dominicam_fw-la 8._o trinit_fw-la tom_fw-mi 1._o and_o in_o hospin_n lib._n cit_fw-la fol._n 72._o and_o brentius_n also_o ibid._n fol._n 107._o so_o speak_v the_o confession_n of_o saxony_n in_o the_o preface_n and_o the_o saxon_a minister_n in_o the_o conference_n of_o aldburg_n pag._n 60._o vrban_n regius_n in_o judicio_fw-la de_fw-la conuentu_fw-la norimberg_n pag._n 9_o amsdorse_v in_o bucer_n in_o scriptis_fw-la anglicis_fw-la p._n 635._o matheus_n index_n in_o edicto_fw-la aeterni_fw-la dei_fw-la james_n andrew_n in_fw-la colloq_fw-la montisbel_n pag._n 179._o yea_o graver_n in_o the_o preface_n of_o his_o caluinisticall_a absurdity_n dedicate_v his_o book_n unto_o the_o proper_a lutheran_n and_o pag._n 61._o affirm_v that_o their_o man_n be_v call_v lutheran_n that_o they_o may_v be_v distinguish_v from_o papist_n and_o caluinist_n scusselburg_n tom_n 17._o catal._n pag._n 866._o say_v the_o divines_n of_o our_o part_n call_v themselves_o and_o the_o defender_n of_o their_o opinion_n lutheran_n which_o also_o affirm_v reineccius_n tom_n 1._o armat_fw-la cap._n ult._n hutten_n in_o expostulat_fw-la cum_fw-la erasm_n say_v i_o acknowledge_v the_o name_n of_o lutheran_n and_o hailbruner_n we_o be_v not_o ashamed_a of_o the_o name_n and_o andrew_n schafman_n in_o prodromo_fw-la bring_v many_o reason_n to_o prove_v that_o they_o do_v well_o in_o call_v themselves_o lutheran_n and_o those_o of_o berga_n as_o hospin_n report_v in_o concord_n discord_n c._n 20._o say_v that_o all_o the_o sincere_a doctor_n of_o the_o church_n call_v themselves_o lutheran_n of_o luther_n the_o same_o also_o testify_v the_o sacramentary_n for_o those_o of_o new_a stade_fw-la against_o the_o book_n of_o concord_n cap_n 6._o pag._n 213._o say_v they_o account_v none_o a_o sincere_a disciple_n of_o christ_n unless_o he_o will_v be_v call_v as_o well_o a_o lutheran_n as_o a_o christian_a the_o author_n of_o the_o orthodox_n consent_v in_o prefat_n apologet._n they_o take_v to_o themselves_o faction_n name_n upon_o a_o preposterous_a and_o too_o great_a eastern_a of_o their_o master_n parcus_n in_o cap_n 2._o galat._n sect_n 24_o they_o do_v not_o only_o call_v themselves_o lutheran_n of_o luther_n but_o also_o will_v be_v so_o call_v of_o all_o beza_n in_o conspicil_n pag._n 8_o you_o all_o will_v be_v name_v and_o call_v lutheran_n and_o pag._n 56_o not_o content_a with_o the_o name_n of_o christian_n they_o call_v themselves_o lutheran_n and_o rejoice_v to_o be_v so_o call_v danaeus_n apol._n cont_n jac._n andr●ae_n say_v that_o he_o glori_v in_o luther_n as_o in_o another_o christ_n of_o who_o every_o where_n be_v thunder_v &_o call_v himself_o a_o lutheran_n a_o lutheran_n etc._n etc._n and_o resp_n ad_fw-la selnecer_n he_o say_v that_o selnecer_n free_o confess_v that_o the_o ducth_z church_n term_v themselves_o lutheran_n vrsin_n in_o catechism_n pag_n 494._o say_v this_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o they_o who_o call_v themselves_o lutheran_n zauchius_n epist_n dedicat_fw-la miscellan_n many_o be_v not_o ashamed_a even_o in_o print_a book_n to_o all_o themselves_o lutheran_n and_o jezler_n de_fw-fr bello_fw-la euchar._n fol._n 115_o some_o have_v no_o shame_n even_o in_o pulpit_n to_o say_v we_o will_v be_v lutheran_n constant_o and_o at_o some_o time_n even_o the_o sacramentary_n seem_v to_o be_v desirous_a of_o the_o surname_n of_o lutheran_n for_o those_o of_o newstade_n in_o admonit_n de_fw-fr lib_n concordiae_fw-la pag._n 106._o compliane_n that_o some_o will_v seem_v to_o be_v the_o only_a disciple_n of_o luther_n musculus_fw-la in_o locis_fw-la tit_n de_fw-fr haeresi_fw-la pag_n 604._o say_v no_o man_n condemn_v true_a lutheran_n unless_o he_o be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o truth_n or_o very_o naughty_a and_o the_o protestant_a prince_n of_o germany_n in_o thuan._n lib._n 79._o histor_n pag._n 595._o relate_v that_o the_o king_n of_o navarre_n write_v to_o they_o that_o if_o the_o french_a protestant_n be_v to_o be_v term_v of_o any_o man_n they_o ou●ht_v most_o of_o all_o to_o be_v call_v lutheran_n because_o when_o this_o name_n be_v odious_a in_o france_n for_o almost_o therscore_a year_n many_o by_o fire_n by_o rack_n be_v death_n seal_v with_o their_o blood_n the_o testimony_n of_o that_o doctrine_n which_o they_o receive_v first_o of_o luther_n scultete_n also_o in_o concion●_n saeculari_fw-la compare_v luther_n with_o the_o apostolical_a man_n beside_o the_o sacramentary_n call_v luther_n true_a follwer_n lutheran_n as_o zuinglius_fw-la tom_n 1._o fol._n 420._o 436._o 470._o oecolampadius_n ibidem_fw-la fol._n 479._o and_o in_o hospin_n part_n 2._o fol._n 84._o 112._o 126._o tigurini_fw-la ibidem_fw-la fol_z 88_o bucer_n in_o cap_n rom._n &_o in_o scriptis_fw-la angl._n pag._n 669._o martyr_n tom_n 2._o loc_fw-la epist_n ad_fw-la caluin_n hospin_n lib._n cit_fw-la fol._n 91._o caluin_n in_o zancius_n lib._n 2._o epist_n pag._n 78._o daneus_fw-la ibidem_fw-la pag._n 401._o zanchius_n himself_o pag._n 394._o pareus_n lib._n 5._o the_o amiss_o great_a cap._n 1._o &_o 2._o lib_n 4._o cap._n 17_o lib._n 6_o cap._n 1._o vorstius_n in_o antibellarm_n pag._n 561._o d._n whitaker_n count_v 1._o quest_n 2._o cap._n 3._o and_o quest_n 5._o c._n 8._o and_o quest_n 6._o cap._n 9_o cont_n 4._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 3._o &_o lib._n 3._o de_fw-la concupisc_fw-la cap._n 9_o &_o lib._n 3._o de_fw-fr scrip._n cap._n 2_o sect_n 3._o d._n fulke_o de_fw-fr success_n pag._n 321._o m._n perkins_n in_o explicat_fw-la symboly_n col_fw-fr 781._o &_o 790._o yea_o jezler_n loc_fw-la cit_fw-la fol._n 39_o &_o vorstius_n in_o collatine_n cum_fw-la piscatore_fw-la write_v that_o proper_o and_o vulgar_o they_o be_v call_v lutheran_n whereupon_o d._n humphrey_n ad_fw-la rat._n 2._o campian_n pag._n 128._o say_v lutheran_n vulgar_o call_v 7._o hereby_o we_o see_v first_o that_o the_o lutheran_n glory_n of_o the_o name_n of_o luther_n as_o the_o donatist_n which_o s._n augustin_n report_v do_v of_o the_o name_n of_o donatus_n second_o that_o they_o glory_n of_o a_o schismatical_a name_n for_o such_o be_v the_o name_n of_o lutheran_n as_o luther_n himself_o confess_v in_o d._n morton_n part_n 1._o apol._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 8._o and_o hospin_n praefat._n part_n 2._o histor_n vorstius_n in_o antibellarm_n pag._n 149_o yea_o d._n whitaker_n count_v 2._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 2._o say_v that_o to_o take_v the_o name_n of_o any_o man_n at_o all_o be_v heretical_a and_o schismatical_a and_o that_o heretic_n carry_v the_o name_n of_o their_o master_n and_o willing_o acknowledge_v such_o name_n three_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o english_a apology_n untrue_o say_v that_o luther_n disciple_n be_v call_v lutheran_n in_o disgtace_n or_o derision_n for_o graver_n lib._n cit_fw-la say_v they_o be_v term_v so_o for_o distinction_n sake_n lavatherus_n and_o hospin_n praefat._n histor_n say_v they_o call_v they_o so_o for_o doctrine_n sake_n that_o it_o may_v be_v know_v who_o they_o mean_v and_o scul_n eye_n so_o term_v they_o for_o honour_n sake_n and_o sure_o since_o both_o sacramentary_n the_o common_a people_n and_o themselves_o also_o term_v they_o lutheran_n and_o glory_n
of_o christ_n for_o thus_o he_o write_v popery_n as_o judaisme_n heretofore_o signify_v that_o company_n which_o at_o least_o in_o her_o time_n have_v the_o true_a church_n with_o it_o such_o be_v the_o jew_n before_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o papist_n before_o the_o come_n of_o luther_n his_o meaning_n as_o i_o suppose_v be_v that_o as_o the_o christian_a church_n be_v in_o state_n another_o church_n from_o the_o synagogue_n because_o it_o have_v other_o sacrament_n other_o sacrifice_n and_o more_o point_n of_o faith_n and_o christ_n another_o founder_n of_o the_o church_n distinct_a from_o moses_n so_o the_o protestant_a church_n be_v a_o distinct_a church_n from_o the_o ancient_a christian_a church_n and_o luther_n not_o only_o another_o elias_n as_o they_o call_v he_o but_o also_o another_o messiah_n a_o founder_n and_o beginner_n of_o another_o church_n distinct_a from_o that_o of_o christ_n at_o least_o as_o far_o as_o his_o church_n differ_v from_o the_o synagogue_n behold_v christian_n reader_n whereto_o all_o their_o wind_a turn_v and_o double_v about_o the_o be_v of_o their_o church_n in_o popery_n be_v come_v sure_o as_o s._n augustin_n say_v 12._o l_o 20._o cont_n faust_n c._n 12._o against_o the_o manichee_n their_o imagination_n have_v lose_v all_o way_n for_o they_o be_v nothing_o b●●_n the_o vision_n of_o frantic_a man_n for_o their_o remain_v no_o probable_a way_n to_o defend_v that_o their_o church_n be_v heretofore_o in_o popery_n it_o be_v mere_a frenzy_n to_o think_v that_o it_o wa●_n in_o popery_n virtual_o and_o implicit_o like_v as_o a_o plant_n i●_n in_o the_o seed_n or_o a_o man_n in_o a_o child_n at_o the_o christia●_n church_n once_o be_v in_o the_o synagogue_n or_o that_o it_o wa●_n open_o distinct_a in_o communion_n and_o profession_n fro●_n papist_n or_o that_o it_o consist_v of_o such_o which_o either_o i●_n hart_n or_o at_o least_o in_o profession_n be_v papist_n or_o final_o that_o the_o church_n of_o god_n such_o as_o they_o will_v ha●●_n the_o protestant_n to_o be_v be_v for_o many_o age_n in_o a_o different_a yea_o a_o most_o opposite_a church_n where_o neither_o by_o divine_a nor_o humane_a testimony_n it_o can_v be_v prove_v to_o have_v be_v neither_o can_v there_o any_o way_n be_v imagine_v by_o which_o it_o may_v with_o any_o appearance_n or_o probability_n be_v say_v to_o have_v be_v there_o thus_o say_v s._n augustine_n do_v they_o dote_v ul_a lib._n 20._o count_n faust_n c._n ul_a who_o not_o abide_v true_a doctrine_n turn_v to_o fable_n 12_o and_o out_o of_o these_o wherewith_o we_o have_v show_v that_o the_o protestant_a church_n heretofore_o be_v not_o in_o popery_n be_v refute_v also_o zanchius_n praefat._n lib._n de_fw-fr natura_fw-la dei_fw-la where_o he_o say_v that_o their_o brethren_n in_o time_n past_o live_v in_o some_o obscure_a valley_n and_o mountain_n and_o meet_v at_o night_n and_o d._n fulke_o lib._n the_o success_n pag._n 324._o saying_n that_o in_o europe_n the_o church_n be_v by_o antichrist_n thrust_v into_o obscure_a place_n but_o lest_o they_o shall_v be_v trip_v in_o their_o lie_v they_o name_v neither_o those_o mountain_n nor_o valley_n nor_o place_n nor_o their_o night-owle-brethren_n nor_o final_o prove_v any_o thing_n 9_o l._n 14._o cont_n faust_n c._n 9_o but_o as_o s._n augustin_n say_v of_o faustus_n they_o say_v it_o &_o away_o they_o never_o seek_v to_o prove_v it_o or_o as_o christ_n say_v of_o the_o adversary_n man_n they_o sow_v cockle_n and_o depart_v it_o suffice_v for_o these_o new_a pythagorian_o to_o pour_v out_o lie_v like_o oracle_n for_o they_o assure_v themselves_o that_o with_o reckless_a man_n they_o will_v find_v credit_n of_o themselves_o &_o like_a weed_n grow_v without_o till_v hence_o also_o be_v refute_v the_o same_o fulke_n in_o cap._n 10._o apocal._n where_o he_o affirm_v his_o brethren_n heretofore_o have_v live_v in_o the_o alps_n in_o the_o apennine_a mountain_n and_o in_o the_o hereinian_a forest_n he_o may_v better_o have_v say_v they_o live_v in_o the_o wilderness_n of_o utopia_n for_o he_o prove_v nothing_o 26_o l._n 16._o cont_n faust_n c._n 26_o o_o man_n that_o i_o may_v cry_v out_o which_o s._n augustine_n thinck_v only_o of_o his_o own_o talk_n and_o not_o think_v of_o any_o gainesayer_n again_o do_v thou_o not_o know_v 54._o lib._n 4._o cont_n cres_n c._n 54._o or_o do_v thou_o not_o feel_v with_o the_o heart_n of_o what_o man_n soever_o that_o in_o dispute_v where_o truth_n be_v seek_v where_o proof_n follow_v not_o the_o talk_n be_v vain_a and_o foolish_a wherefore_o now_o let_v we_o hear_v their_o argument_n or_o rather_o sophism_n wherewith_o sometime_o they_o endeavour_v to_o prove_v that_o their_o church_n be_v in_o time_n pass_v in_o popery_n the_o sophism_n wherewith_o some_o protestant_a make_v show_v to_o prove_v that_o their_o church_n be_v heretofore_o in_o popery_n refute_v chap._n x._o 1._o the_o first_o argument_n wherewith_o protestant_n will_v seem_v to_o prove_v that_o their_o church_n in_o former_a time_n be_v in_o popery_n be_v ground_v upon_o that_o saying_n apocal._n 18_o go_v out_o of_o she_o babylon_n my_o people_n therefore_o god_n people_n be_v in_o babylon_n that_o be_v say_v the●_n in_o popery_n thus_o argue_v luther_n in_o cap._n 12._o genes_n tom_fw-mi 6._o fol._n 144._o and_o in_o cap._n 19_o fol._n 234._o the_o magdeburgian_o in_o praefat._n centur._n 8._o plessy_a lib._n de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 10._o and_o other_o common_o yea_o m._n perkins_n in_o his_o reform_a catholic_a tract_n 22._o write_v that_o by_o this_o commandment_n it_o may_v be_v gather_v that_o the_o true_a church_n be_v and_o be_v long_a time_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n wherein_o he_o speak_v more_o true_o than_o he_o mean_v for_o the_o true_a church_n be_v and_o be_v always_o in_o the_o roman_a but_o the_o protestant_n neither_o be_v nor_o be_v there_o to_o the_o argument_n i_o answer_v that_o this_o place_n can_v be_v no_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o faith_n among_o the_o protestans_fw-la because_o their_o angel_n their_o apostle_n and_o evangelist_n martin_n luther_n deny_v the_o apocalypse_n to_o be_v canonical_a scripture_n again_o though_o indeed_o it_o be_v canonical_a scripture_n yet_o for_o the_o most_o part_n it_o be_v so_o obscure_a as_o but_o very_o few_o place_n thereof_o be_v fit_a to_o ground_v any_o point_n of_o faith_n as_o be_v evident_a both_o by_o the_o book_n itself_o which_o be_v well_o nigh_o all_o mystical_a and_o allegorical_a and_o by_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o father_n and_o confession_n of_o protestant_n 20._o euseb_n l._n 7._o cap._n 20._o for_o thus_o say_v s._n denis_n patriarch_n of_o alexandria_n of_o the_o apocalypse_n i_o very_o think_v that_o almost_o in_o every_o sentence_n there_o lie_v some_o mystical_a and_o marvellous_a sense_n likewise_o s._n hierome_n paulin._n epist_n ad_fw-la paulin._n the_o apocalypse_n have_v as_o many_o mystery_n as_o word_n and_o s._n augustin_n in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o apocalypse_n many_o obscure_a thing_n be_v tell_v and_o there_o be_v few_o thing_n therein_o 17._o lib_n 20._o de_fw-mi civit._n c._n 17._o by_o light_n whereof_o the_o rest_n may_v be_v seek_v aught_o with_o labour_n and_o with_o protestant_n d._n andrew_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o bellarmine_n apology_n cap._n 9_o be_v he_o ignorant_a that_o concern_v the_o apocalypse_n nothing_o certain_a or_o of_o faith_n be_v yet_o prescribe_v by_o the_o church_n that_o it_o may_v be_v lawful_a to_o use_v one_o only_a kind_n of_o interpretation_n and_o no_o other_o as_o if_o it_o be_v so_o clear_a and_o evident_a that_o it_o be_v a_o heinous_a offence_n to_o leave_v it_o or_o to_o dissent_v any_o way_n from_o it_o yea_o as_o any_o may_v with_o great_a probability_n show_v the_o prophecy_n there_o to_o be_v fulfil_v so_o be_v it_o free_a for_o any_o to_o use_v his_o judgement_n &_o to_o follow_v his_o own_o opinion_n in_o explicate_v they_o and_o d._n whitaker_n cont._n 4._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 3_o pag._n 677_o it_o be_v well_o enough_o know_v that_o john_n in_o the_o apocalypse_n speak_v not_o of_o clear_a and_o open_a matter_n but_o of_o obscurt_n and_o hide_a m._n brightman_n in_o his_o preface_n of_o the_o apocalypse_n in_o so_o great_a abundance_n of_o ancient_a and_o new_a exposition_n the_o apocalypse_n yet_o as_o all_o agree_v need_v a_o apocalypse_n and_o m._n sheldon_n in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o miracle_n of_o antichrist_n cap._n 4._o pag._n 54_o call_v it_o a_o dark_a &_o mystical_a prophecy_n in_o which_o say_v he_o quot_fw-la verba_fw-la tot_fw-la latent_fw-la mysteria_fw-la and_o pag._n 226_o the_o apocalypse_n be_v a_o book_n whole_o mystical_a which_o do_v except_v some_o few_o doctrinal_a rule_n and_o exhortation_n to_o virtue_n in_o type_n figure_n form_n and_o resemblance_n describe_v and_o foretell_v the_o future_a event_n of_o the_o