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A53346 Amsterdam: toleration, or no toleration in a discourse between conformists, non-conformists, papists, Anabaptists, Quakers, &c. In their own words, before a gracious king, about the extent of a Christian indulgence to all dissenters. By J.V.C.O. A friend to men of all religions. J. V. C. O. 1663 (1663) Wing O2A; ESTC R207624 19,722 59

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whom the Lord hath appointed over his Kingdom in this world we wait upon the Lord for his Kingdom which is not of this world Roaring Boys Ranters and Dammers Here 's such a deal of do come let us eat and drink for to morrow we shall die the world hath been too long Priest-ridden King No more of that I 'll assure you that at the next Session of Parliament we shall provide severe Laws against that licentiousness and impiety which since the dissolution of Government we finde to our great grief hath over-spread the Nation Ch. Gentlemen of all Perswasions I pray hear what indulgence maybe allowed you Secretary to Papists What if you of the Catholick Way were discharged of all penalty for Recusancie to come to our Church save your incapacity of having any trust in Church or State provided that you were severely restrained both from speaking and publickly practising your Way Papists We 'll all submit As we do do not desire to be pressed to comply with your Ways so we desire not to press you to tolerate our Ways P. C. S. to Non-conformists If his Majesty and his Parliament shall think fit that you who cannot conform to all things established shall upon your peaceable behaviour enjoy Ordinances in your own Way what will you be willing to do for their satisfaction Non-conformists Any thing that in Reason or Conscience we may do Ch. Will you now you cannot assent or consent to all things in the Common-prayer yet use it as far as you can or come your selves with your followers to the place where it is used Mr. Baxter Dr. Bates c. It 's well known that as we do not absent our selves so we are not willing others should absent themselve from Common-Prayer L. B. L. Will you own the Ordination by Bishops in the way of the Church of England London-Ministers We have made it appear to the world in our Book called Jus divinum Ministerii that the Ordination by Bishops is valid Mr. Baxter p. 4. So eminent in Gods Graces and Gifts were the Bishops that their names will be precious whilst Christ hath on earth a Reformed Church Our Jewel our Usher our Davenant hath done so much against the Roman Usurpers that they will not be able to claw it off them to the last Moreover who knows not that most of the godly able Ministers of England since the Reformation did judge Episcopacie some of them lawful and some of them most fit and that before the late troubles c. the most through the Land did subscribe and conform to Episcopal Government as a thing not contrary to the Word of God So that it is evident that it is very consistent with a godly Life to judge Episcopacie lawful and just or else we should not have had so many learned and godly men of that minde L.B.W. Will you declare it unlawful upon any pretence whatsoever for any persons whether the Parliament or any other to assist the King or to endeavour any Reformation without his consent Mr. Jenkins First it 's a sin against Gods Ordinance Prov. 8.15 Secondly it 's a sin against the publick welfare they that are weary of Magistrates are weary of all the comforts and blessings of peace Thirdly it 's a sin against our own happiness Eccles 10.8 to resist the lawful Magistrate Good men will not be bad Subjects neither can evil men be good Subjects C. S. VVill you be contented to teach the people the necessary and undoubted Verities of Christian Religion declaring withal unto your people what influence such Doctrines ought to have upon their Lives and Conversations and stirring them up effectually as well by your examples as Doctrines to the practice of such Religious and Moral Duties as are the proper Results of the said Doctrines as Self-denial Contempt of the world Temperance Justice Obedience c. with a detestation of whatsoever is contrary to sound Doctrine Nonconf If we may but upon these terms enjoy the liberty of Gods Ordinance we shall think our selves obliged to bless God that we have seen your face S. D. For your part all ye the looser part of the people we desire you may offer what you agree upon among your selves which his Majesty will consider of in order to a publick Peace In the mean time you are wished to attend the publick Ordinances of God as far as you can in Conscience until an expedient may be sound in due time P. C. VVe shall enjoyn that there be nothing taught publickly but the great Truths wherein ye all agree and therefore we pray you attend upon publick Preaching and though you own not the men yet own the VVord not as the word of this or that man but as it is indeed the VVord of God Jesse Some may preach Christ out of envy and some out of contention but so Christ be preached we shall rejoyce and attend upon it Venning It is to be feared that they who turn their backs upon the Ordinance of God may turn their backs upon the God of Ordinances Anabaptists c. There are so many things in your Ordinances that we cannot like Orthodox There are many things I dislike in all places yet I frequent them which because they do not concern me I pass by peaceably without any further noise or disquiet VVe desire you onely to be present at the Ordinances of God and to submit to what is of God and to think as you please of what you see of man there All Moderate Men. VVe will be contented to attend the Ordinances of God in obedience to God and men onely we desire not to be urged to approve of what we cannot allow of H. If your practice be sober your judgements shall be at liberty Have you faith i. e. any private Opinion have it to your self in the sight of God onely forsake not the assembling of your selves together as the manner of some is but let me see you as ●he Primitive Christians meet with one accord in one place Fan. VVe desire so to do but onely we avoid mixt Assemblies L.B.C. If you will avoid mixt Assemblies you must avoid all Assemblies in the world Indeed as the Apostle saith we ought as far as it is possible to avoid all communion with unholy persons yet not altogether with the unholy in this world or with the covetous or extortioners for then must we needs go out of the world Fan. The desire of our soul is to walk according to that Rule wherefore Come ye out from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord and touch not any unclean thing and I will receive you L.B.W. VVhat because you are enjoyned to come out from among Heathens will you leave us Christians too who own one God one Christ one Faith one Hope with you and look for one common salvation K. Are you who go under those several names of separation as Independents Anabaptists Quakers c. agreed upon one common way which you