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A18921 Errour on the left hand, through a frozen securitie Howsoeuer hot in opposition, when Satan so hears them. Acted by way of dialogue. Betw. 1 Malcontent and Romanista. 2 Mal-content Romanista & Libertinus. 3 Malcontent and Libertinus. 4 Malcontent and Atheos. 5 Malcontent and Atheoi. 6 Malcontent & the good & bad spirit. 7 Malcontent and Mediocrity. By Henoch Clapham. Clapham, Henoch. 1608 (1608) STC 5342; ESTC S118641 38,052 122

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Hostesse And I pray you has he not béene there already Liber No forsooth not this Pope but he is preparing to go thither so fast as he can Hostesse Mary and I wil pray for his good speede For then I hope euery true Catholick shall fare the better by it Good Lord he hath to doe with heauen and he hath to doe with hell and he hath to doe with purgatorie and he hath to doe with Limbo Libert Nay sweete hostesse I heard a Frier in Rome say in the Pulpit that one that was no Pope did aboue 1500 years since opē the gates of Limbo let al the soules out ouerturn the place Hostesse And had he not the Popes licence to doe it Libert He neuer spake with any Pope about it Hostesse And hath not the Pope since curst him Libert Yes forsooth He curst him euery time wherein he cursed Queene Elizabeth Hostesse Well then let king Iames take heed he do not anger him And I would pray you sir to beware how you speak any thing against holy mother Church or any of her children While I was of your mind euery thing went crosse Marry since I reconciled my selfe to holy mother Church my hens lay bigger egges then they did and I take two pence for good ale now where I tooke but a peny then I thanke Saint Campian and S. Garnet for it Well husband I see your flearing well enough These gentlemen can giue audience in all humbility but you will be a flouting Hmybeel as the man said Well gentlemen I will take away for I see you haue done Libert I pray you do meane time what 's the reckoning Hostesse Fiue shillings sir and you are heartily welcome Libert There it is Deo gratias I thanke you mine Host for your good company Malcon I pray you sir stay there be three shillings towards it and I desire I may walke with you a while Libert Well I will take your moneies for this once As for walking with me I am right willing if with any conference I may hestead you Malcon Yes sir seeing you haue bin behinde the Seas and seene the papists and their doings Libert I haue séene them and heard them and laught in my sleeue at them But which way lieth your way Malcon Towards Westminster Libert Haue with you at the nearest Hoste and Hostesse farewell Both. We thanke you heartily kind gentlemen The third Dialogue betweene Libertinus and Malcontent Libert NOw Mr Malcontent what is it you will propound Malcon I desire sir to haue notice of the state of Rome in these daies vile things be diuulged on it if it be so bad it were too bad Libert It was neuer famed for worse then it now is First for the state of substance it is generally very beggerly Traffficke as some other Cities in Italy haue it hath not Indeed many trauell thither as Pilgrimes and there be allowed to stay for certaine daies but as the number of such Pilgrims now be scarse one for an hundred that passed thither of yore so ordinarily they bee but of meane degree and ere they come thither their purse hath cast her calfe For the small time of their aboad then there somewhat comes out of the coffers of the scarlet Cardinals Which spent they put vp their pipes and packe away They might come out full but they returne foole and empty Secondly for the state of Pope and Cardinals it is altogether pompous and princelike the Cardinals hauing hinges enowe in their doore to turne vpon and the Pope besides other meanes hath a mighty allowance annually from the Curtizans scalding-tubs for no occupatiōs in Rome more cōmon then Venery and Penury Thirdly for the state of their religious houses let the vaults secret preambulatiōs vnder earth tell y● Fourthly for their publique deuotions the formes of them be Pagan-like the multiplicitie of them be as Sisyphus stone alwaies rolling but neuer at an end In a word it is an Egypt for slauery a Babel for bondage a Bethel for idolatry a Tophet for confused noise a Gehinnon for bloud-shed a Sodome for all spurcicity an Hell for dānatiō Malcont If the head be no better what shall become of the body Libert And whereas they plead Vnity taxe all other Churches for Distraction I protest a man shall finde more emulations heart-burnings vituperies bloudy practises amongst them with mutuall oppositions one against another then amongst all other Christians in the world besides Euery schoole man standeth so for his owne schoole doctrine as Thomists for Thomas Scotists for Scotus sic ad infinitum as the like diuision neuer yet hath béene raised betwéene the Aristotelians and Ramists Then go to the friery Orders and the Augustine condemns the Dominik and the Dominik him The blacke frier vituperates the gray white and either of them againe preferres highly his owne order The Iesuite condemnes the Secular for an Apostate and the Secular priest againe auerreth that the Iesuite aberreth from his orders and is now become a Statesman and Factor for Spaine As for the bloody Inquisition they plague all and all curse them what shall I say Malcon Nay you haue said enough and yet but that which I oft before haue heard I beseech you sir of your counsell I haue beene one of them which haue stood heere for the new discipline holding that we haue for popish and Antichristian And seeing this discipline would not be had I lastly resolued to separate and so enter into that course which is called Brownisme As I thus resolued there comes a booke into my hands touching Principles and inferences of a true visible Church This booke teacheth a Separation as do the writings of the former but when he comes to the discipline he then differs much from the former and so from the most of our Reformistes heere at home so well as from the Church of Scotland and the like First we haue held that the Pastor might onely administer the Sacraments but the author of this booke holdeth that the Doctor may administer them also Secondly we haue taught that the Elders were to be imploied in Church gouernement onely I meane in the discipline but he affirmeth further that they are all of them apt to teach and so to assist in doctrine Thirdly we haue published that the Church is to giue the officers their Calling meaning thereby all the men of the Church were to giue their voice but he intimates further that women and children are to giue their consent also for such election and calling Fourthly we held Excommunication to be the casting out of a contumaticus person and that to the excution thereof there appertained only rebukes the word and prayer as all spirituall but he infinuates further that some bodily punishment also is to be annexed What shall I say in many things he is crosse to the discipline which before hath beene applauded and yet the man they say an honest man reuerend and learned In the necke of
thought there had bin many groūds of oppositiō between vs them howsoeuer this stands y● would haue kept you frō poping wel I wil break one cudgel of my inuentiō vpon him There there he is awaking I will stand as butter would not melt in my mouth gazing crossing trembling Malcon awaking Ha ha what a yawning keep I and out of what a troublesome sleepe awake I But husht who is here what ailes the man I thinke he is dast Honest man what 's the matter with you Romanista An an an Credo in deum patrem omnipotentem Malcon Surely the man is mad or in an extasie Romanista Pardon me Lord parden me and I wil returre to the holy Catholique Church the mother of peace and vnity For I must needs confesse that I haue sinned much in following blind Zeloists setting al oustre with Samsons Foxes Malcon Ha blind Zelosstes surely hee hath been on our fide and in truth that is of no side For howsoeuer we all agree in the terme Reformation as the Separistes do in the terme Replantation yet in the particulars of Reformatiō we are amongst our selues at as much oddes as the Separators bee about their forme of Replantation Roma I go Lord I go yea I run to do thy will Malcon Fall you a runinng nay then haue after you I will know what the matter is ere we thus part Nay I haue hold of you friend stay I pray you buskle not stay there stay and let vs breath a little Now I be seech you tell mee what you are and how it fares with you Roma O Sir do not tempt me you know well enough that I haue had an apparition Malcon Surely not I. But if you haue had an apparition I pray you let mee bee acquainted with it Roma O Sir as I drew neere vnto you behold certaine splendent beames far more full of splendour then the Suns beames did sodainely shine vpon me wherewithall I saw one like the Son of man sit by you with his hand in yours who turning his head aside said vnto me Zeloist hereafter thy name shal be Romanist and for gaining peace to thy wearied soule thy name shall bee entred into the Catalogue of Holy Romes Confessours Malcont But stay stay this can be but some notable delusion for what holines can there be in Romes religion Roman O Sir he told me that you would not submit your selfe to the truth but vpon palpable reasons I was this morning as you haue beene and yet are a desirer of Reformation But all in vaine to séeke after a reforming of Israel beeing once schismed from Iudah To kéepe vs at home from going vp to Rome the place of the High Priest loe Dan hath béene builded at Yorke and Bethel at Canterburie As the vpstart ministry of Ieroboam did make their people beléeue that all was naught at Ierusalem so this ministry of Harry the eight sowes all false rumors of the holy Sea of Rome Stand not Sir mazing at the matter I hated the Church of Rome till now but the holy Angell no sooner breathed vpon me but my bowels yearned after her presence yea me thought such a light flashed vpom my senses as therwithall all intricate scruples vanished There was a booke published by Doctor S. Hars concerning falshood of certaine Priests about London in counterfeiting possessions dispossessions specially practised vpon the bodies of yong tender damsels That booke made me loath the holy Priesthood as being but false packing companions O sir I repent my credulity for new it was reuealed vnto me that such as came to bee examined and so deposed by the Prelates of England they were but such as sought profits pleasures amongst the Protestant Libertines by so reuiling the eldest sonnes of their mother Her discipline was too strait for thē Malcon Were I assured that you had such a Reuelation I could bee contented to reconcile my selfe with you vnto the Church of Rome Roma O sir must you put your fingers into the wounds and see also the print therof before you can beleeue well the Angel hath told me a secret of yours vpon the rehearsall wherof you are to hastē your soule vnto faith What if I tell you what was in your mind when you were now sléeping Malcon That would moue me much Roma Then this your mind ran of Elias Malcon T is very true Roma And vpon that part of Elias his story wherin he called fire from heauen Why gaze you so at me Speak is it not true Malcon True yea as true as the Gospell Now I perceiue that you haue had a Reuelation and a Reuelation most true Euen as Daniel brought Nabuchadnetsars dreame to his mind so haue you brought that into my mind that till now I had forgotten O man of God thou art more welcome vnto me then thousands of gold and of siluer But reuerend father for so I must henceforth call you Roma Good sir giue me no such title for if I take titles to my selfe my Creator will destroy me Ego quidem Minimus Seruorum Dei the least place in my mothers house is too good for me Malcon Well brother I would intreate you to resolue me of some obiections that so I may stand firmer in the Faith Roma Set we on forward and propound what you will but alwayes with an heart willing to receiue the truth Malcon How shall that Action be made good which commonly is called The Gun-powder treason Roma Uery well sir it being but an attempt against Heretiques for maintenance of the Catholique faith Dauid slue the Ammonites for but cutting the haire and garments of his seruants and shall not the Pope cut short hereticall princes for cutting off the heads and quartering the members of his Embassadours Did not Ioshua turne the wals of Iericho vpon the heads of his foes and did not the High-Priest pull Athalia the queene out of the Temple and so hew her in pieces The Pope hath excōmunicated and accursed this people of England for a Babel and the Brownists will witnes that is is a Babel and therefore as the Psalmist saith of Babel I say of this synagogue of Gospellers O worthy to bee destroyed blessed shall hee be that rewardeth thee as thou hast serued vs. Blessed shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy children against the stones Malcon But they will say sir that our Sauior did neuer so auenge himselfe Roman True sir because in his place he was but a priuat man But this other is done by publike authority Otherwise you fall vpon the rocke of Anabaptisme For they reason thus Our Sauiour and the Apostles vsed no swords therefore not to be vsed of any Christians Malcon But they will say that the Pope is as priuate a man as Christ was Roma That is to be denied for though Christ carried no sword yet hee allowed his successor S. Peter to carry two and said that there should be a time to vse them Now our holy