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A02358	Popish glorying in antiquity turned to their shame Whereby is shewed, how they wrong, villifie, and disgrace, that whereunto they pretend to carry greateste reuerence: and are most guilty of that which they vpbraide vnto others. Collected and proued out of themselues, for the singular profit both of pastors and professors. By William Guild, minister at King Edward.	Guild, William, 1586-1657.	1627 (1627)	STC 12490; ESTC S117899	90,426	272

vvhich is produced agaynst the vnlawfull keeping of impossible and vnlawfull Vowes 2. How the Romanists without anie farther Warrand alleadge onlie of some Fathers That perhaps they are counterfeyt FIrst when the Treatise of Gregorie Nyssen or his Epistle is produced against Pilgrymages Bellarmine answereth thus heere-to Fortenon est Nysseni that is Perhaps that Epistle is not Nyssen's Agayne when Basill is cited agaynst their distinction of Sinne into Mortall and Veniall Bellarmine aunswereth That probablie that worke is not Basill's Lyke-wyse vvhen Pope Bonifacius seconde Epistle is brought foorth agaynst papall Supremacie Bellarmine answereth Valde mihi suspecta est haec Epistola that is I suspect that Epistle greatlie In lyke manner when OEcumenius is adduced to proue that Antichrist shall not sit in the Temple of Ierusalem Bellarmine answereth Fortasse depravatus est textus illius that is Perhaps his Text or Copie is corrupt and vitiate Also when pope Honorius owne Epistles are exhibited which proue him to haue beene an Hereticke and are insert in the eight Generall Councell where-in hee was condemned Bellarmine answereth Fortasse illas Epistolas esse confictas insertas Concilia generali ab Hereticis that is Perhaps those Epistles were counterfeyted and inserted in the Generall Councell by Heretickes More-over when Venerable Beda is adduced testifying that this same pope Honorius was an Hereticke and solemnlie condemned in a Generall Councell as such and therefore consequentlie hee prooveth Facto by deed agaynst their doctrine now That the pope may erre Bellarmine heere-vnto aunswereth Videtur aliquis sciolus addidisse nomen Honorii in lib●o Bedae that is It would seeme that some Smatterer hath added the name of Honorius in Beda's booke Lyke-wyse vvhen in the matter of their superstitious Fast on set Dayes a Canon of the Apostles and Ignatius Epistle also are produced agaynst fasting on Saturday Bellarmine answereth Potest fieri ut tam in Canone Apostolico quam in Epistolam Ignati● solum probiberetur jejunium diei Dominicae sed postea à Graecis poste●ioribus insertum fuerit nomen Sabbathi that is It may bee that as well in the Canon of the Apostles as in the Epistle of Ignatius onelie Fasting on the Lord's Day was forbidden but after that the Grecians who were later inserted the word Sabbath In lyke manner when Damasus the Author of the Pontificall and their owne Gratian lyke-wise declareth That Pope Anastasius the second was of one communion with the Hereticke Photinus Bellarmine answereth Illud de Photino forte est mendaciam that is That Relation concerning Photinus Perhaps it is a Lie Agayne when wee produce Socrates Testimonie agaynst the antiquitie of their superstitious fourt●e dayes Lent Bellarmine answereth Probabile est codicem Socratis esse corruptum that is It is lykelie or may bee that Socrates booke bee corrupted More-over when a whole Convent of Fathers in a Romane Councell vnder pope Sylvester are brought foorth agaynst the receiving of young Nunnes forbidding them to bee vailed before 72 years of age Yet Bellarmine without anie farther assurance in the contrarie answereth onlie Fortasse multo minorem numerum debe●e poni pro 72 that is Perhaps a farre lesse number of Yeares ought to bee put there than 72. And when a Canon of the Councel of Laterane is adduced for the lawfulnesse of the Marriage of the Clergie not reprehended there in the East Church Bellarmine aunswereth Canonem illum forte non esse ullius authoritatis that is That perhaps that Canon is of no authoritie So that what solide answeres these are to elide that which so clearlie maketh agaynst them and howe they would bee hissed at on our part let anie vnpartiall Man judge And yet these are they who shamelesselie clayme all Antiquitie so clearlie to make for them As the Lyon there-fore may bee knowne by his Paw and Hercules hudge stature by his Foote onlie So by these few Examples preceeding and from the practise but of one especiallie proceeding wee may see what is the lyke Trade and Custome of the rest This is the Direction of that Popish Crue at Duay saying of Ancients that make agaynst them Excogitato commento persaepe negemus that is By devising out a Shift let vs even often times disclaime them Which their Cardinal Baronius calleth Honeslum Confugiū or an honest vvay of escaping an vnhonest he should haue saide And their Sanders calleth Verissimum praesentaneum Remedium A most true present Helpe And if they cannot vvithout grosse Impudencie disclaime Auncientes wee see they come next to the last Bore of their conjecturall Alleadgeances of Perhaps and I suspect or It is probable and would seeme or may bee that they are so as they would haue them And this is their Non ultra hic baerent Therefore justlie wee see that wee may turne over vpon them that vvhich Hart saieth to Raynolds Viam tenetis facilem expeditam modo strenue per gatis respuite omnes authores qui contra vos faciunt supposititios esse dicite it a nempe par est patronos impudentes pudendam causam pudendis viis defendere that is Yee haue gotten saieth he an easie and cleare way so that yee cowragiouslie goe forwardes there-in reject all Authors that make against you and call them counterfeit for so it is fit that shamelesse Patrons by shamefull vvayes should defende a shamefull Cause Their practise herein being like that of the Manicheant as Augustine showeth concerning Apostolicall Writs Inde probo saide Faustus the Manichean hoc illius esse illud non esse quia hoc pro me sonat illud contrame that is Hence I proue this to bee Apostolicall Writ and that not to bee because this maketh for me and that maketh against mee Even as Bellarmine hath no better Warrand to reject Paschasius Testimonie cited against their Mutilation of the Sacrament as none of his but corrupt and vitiate Because saieth hee vvhere it is saide Bibite it should haue beene saide Edite Which is as much to say That Paschasius is not Paschasius except hee speake in the Romane Dialect and frame his Daunce to the Pope's Spring CHAP. IX How the Romanists alleadge the Fathers for them in one place and poynt of Doctrine and at their pleasure reject them in another when they can neyther alleadge them to bee corrupt nor counterfeyt FOR PROBATION heere-of first Bellarmine adduceth S. Augustine for him to proue their sore of Reall Presence in the Sacrament but with a nore of Ignorance he rejecteth him where he expoundeth by the Rocke whereon the Church is builded that Christ onelie meaned revoking anie other Exposition that he had made of the same And when wee adduce out of his booke De moribus Ecclesiae which they oft cite Testimonies against their worshipping of Reliques Bellarmine rejecteth the same with this answere

none of his because in the 82 Question mention is made of Origen who was not borne an hundreth and od yeares after So is Dionysius Areopagita dignosced to bee counterfeyt in hi● Booke De Divinis nominibus Clements Stromateus beeing cited who lived not 200 after So is Chrysostome's Liturgie Pope Nicolas being made mention of there-in who lived almost 300 yeares after So are Eucherius Commentaries where-in hee citeth Gregorius who lived 100 yeares there-after As also so are judged Saynct Ambrose Epistles in the 82 where-of mention is made of Venice which was not builded nor begun long after his death By the second sorte are discovered Cyprian's Exposition of the Creede to bee none of his Because Arrius Eunomius Photinus Heretickes who were not borne in Cyprian's tyme are by him refuted So is that booke of Eusebius Emissenus dignosced to be counterfeyt wherin hee maketh mention of the Pelagian Heresie which was not a long tyme broached after his death In lyke manner Saynct Ambrose Epistles are discovered to bee of the same Stampe where-in the same Heresie is mentionated which vnto Saynct Ambrose was vtterlie vnknowne And Tertullian's booke De Trinitate is made to march in the same Ranke Because the Sabellians are there refuted who rose not in his tyme. By the last sort is that Epistle of Pope Clement to S. Iames B●shop of Ierusalem by Bellarmine himselfe thus proven to be counterfeyt Because Saynct Iames died seaven years before Saynct Peter's death after whom Clement then onelie succeed●d and therefore beeing Bishop seaven yeares after the death of Saynct Iames could not therefore as Bishop of Rome written to Sainct Iames who had died as sayde is seaven yeares before An-other notable Example I will set downe How that counterfeyt Letter of that notable Popish Impostor as written by Saynct Cyrill Bishop of Ierusalem vnto Saynct Augustine touching the Miracles of Saynct Ierome is clearlie discovered This counterfeyt Pedler sharplie taxeth the Grecians for their denyall of Purgatorie saying These wicked Sectaries did also mayntayne That there was no place of Purgatorie where-in the Soules which had not done full Pennance for their sinnes in this worlde might bee purged sayeth hee Then he telleth a Tale how Sainct Ierome being at that tyme after his death with God for the confutation of this New-sprung-vp Heresie raysed vp three Men from the dead after that he had first led their Soules into Paradise Purgatorie and Hell to the ende that they might make knowne to all men the thinges that were done there Now remarke that Saynct Cyrill who is made the Relater to Saynct Augustine of this Miracle which Saynct Ierome wrought after his death died before Saynct Ierome the space of 30 yeares as is known to everie one who knoweth the Historie of those tymes And so hee maketh Saynct Cyrill to wryte 30 yeares after his death as if hee had beene the Surviver of Saynct Ierome where-as on the contrarie Saynct Ierome was his Surviver so long after And therefore it would haue fitted him rather to wryte of anie thing that fell foorth after the death of Saynct Cyrill than Saynct Cyrill to haue related what befell after the death of Ierome And yet not-with-standing of the palpablenesse of such Forgerie Suarez is not ashamed to bring such Baggage as this in the cleare Noone-day to purchase Credit of Antiquitie to their new Staple of Purgatorie while as their owne B. Fisher playnlie proclaymeth that it is but Sero cognitum receptum that is That it is but of late onelie knowne and received in their catholick Church De quo apud priscos illos nulla vel quam rarissima fiebat mentio sed Graecis ad bunc usque diem non est creditum Purgatorium esse that is Of the which sayth hee there is no mention at all in the Ancients or if there was anie it was most seldome and even vnto this day the Grecian Church believeth no Purgatorie And yet remarke how this Impostor would haue cleare mention made thereof in a most ancient Doctor and a Grecian Father to patronize what the whole Grecian Church hitherto ever did reject 3. The contrarietie that is found in the writings of Ancients discovereth clearlie that manie things goe vnder their names oft-times where-vnto they were never accessorie and by this Bellarmine him-selfe proveth that pretended Epistle written by Pope Clement to S. Iames the Apostle to bee a plaine Counterfeyt it beeing maintained there-in That all things should bee common which else-where S. Clement had refuted And therefore Quis credat ea à S. Clemente Christianis tradi saith Bellarmine quae ipse idem alibi à Faustiniano ethnico refutavit that is Who can belieue saith he that such things were taught vnto Christians by S. Clement which he him-selfe else-where did refute against an Heathen Faustinian 4. The Application also of the pretended writinges of the most ancient Doctors vnto those times where-in they lived will serue much lyke-wyse to discover such Counterfeyts which march insidiouslie vnder wrong Colours as when wee see them made Patrons of Errours which were never hatched nor durst peepe out in the Sunne-shyne of those cleare Dayes as namelie Dionysius the Areopagite in the Apostles tymes to maintaine the Invocation of Saynctes and Purgatorie Martialis the Disciple of Christ to mayntayne forced Continencie in the Clergie Iustinus Martyr to mayntayne Transsubstantiation Vnction in Baptisme and Papall Confirmation and Clements the verie Successour of Peter immediatelie to stand for the Supremacie with manie such which the puritie of those primitiue tymes together with the deposition of after Records and Historie joyned oft tymes with the verie confession of our Partie declareth and discovereth manifestlie their Forgerie CHAP. VIII 1. How the Romanists adduce the Testimonies of Fathers agaynst vs as true whom not withstanding them selues else where doe pronounce Cou●t●●f●yt IT is reported of one Evagrius Po●ticus Hype●borita that hee ●et vpon the Works of one Xistus Pythagoreus an Heathen Philosopher the counterfeyt name of one Xistus a Martyr and so cunninglie brought out of him so manie Testimonies agaynst the true Orthodox in the Poynt of Man's naturall Abilitie Perfection that Saynct Ierome restifieth of him That they who knewe not that it was the booke of an Heathen Philosopher might haue beene easilie induced vnder the borrowed Name and fayre Show of the booke of a Martyr to drinke of the Golden Cup of that Whoore of Babylon His practi●e beeing there-in lyke that where-of Lucretius speaketh Ac veluti pueris absynthiatetra medentes Cam dare conātur prius oras pocula circū Contingunt dulci mellis flavoque colore That is Lyke those for Cure who giue to Babes Fell Worme-wood to drinke out With yealow sweet Honey first They stroake the Cuppe about Even so how cunning our Adversaries are agaynst vs in the lyke practise for oppugning the Trueth adducing Testimonies of Antiquitie vnder the borrowed Name of

inviolable dependance as they pretende betweene prayer for the dead and Purgatorie that the one necessarily doeth inferre the other and whereof the auncient Fathers never once dreamed as witnesseth their owne Fisher bishop of Rochester saying That amongst the Fathers there was never any mention there-of at al or at the least verie seldome any wyse and that the doctrine of Purgatorie was onelie latelie knowne and of late a●●an●rlie received by the Church And where-as in the ancient alleadged Lyturgies they finde mention of prayers for the dead the extense of persons beeing considered to whome those prayers did reach shall no lesse forciblie evert their Fornace of Purgatorie In the Lyturgie which they call Apostolicall of Saynct Iames prayer being made for all even f●ō Abell the just that had died hither-to and more particularlie in Chrysostome's Lyturgie vvhich is called the Lyturgie of the Easterne Church the prayer that is vsed there for the dead extending it selfe by name to the Patriarches Prophets Apostles Martyrs Confessours and even to the blessed Virgine which is there nominate none of whome the most impudent Papist dare place in their Fyre of Purgatorie and Bellarmine him-selfe informeth vs how those prayers stand without anie supposall of Purgatorie at all to wit Relation beeing had to the seconde Sentence or full accomplishment that the whole Man is to receiue by a solemne and publick Sentence of Acquitall in that Day frō Sinne or the Consequences there-of and by an Adjudgement to a full Consummation of all perfect Happinesse compryzed al in short words by the Apostle for Onesiphorus saying whyle hee was alyue The Lord grant vnto him that hee may fynde Mercie of the Lord in that Day Agayne it was the Errour of manie Fathers sayeth Bellarmine that after this lyfe all the Godlie the Virgine Marie nor the Apostles no● beeing excepted should bee purged by a Fyre at the Day of Iudgement Yet not-with-standing Bellarmine add●ceth the Testimonies of those Fathers vvhich speake of this same Fyre and none other to proue the Popish Fyre of Purgatorie immediatly after death although so farre different both in tyme and in extense to persons Seeing therefore Bellarmine disclaymeth this fore-sayde Opinion as erronious vvhy vrgeth hee the Testimonies of Fathers agaynst vs to proue fraudfullie vnder the name of Ignis Purgans their Popish Fyre of Purgatorie before the Resurrection which after death is indured by some onlie where-as those Fathers meaned a farre diverse Fyre to wit which should be at the Resurrection onelie and should bee suffered by all indifferentlie And yet that he doth this most impudentlie let this cleare the Trueth To proue that the Fathers held such an erronious Opinion as is fore-saide Bellarmine bringeth S. Ambrose wordes on the 118 Psalme and twentie Sermon saying in the fourth of Genesis That the Lord did put a flaming Sworde before the entrie of Paradise which sayeth Bellarmine hee calleth that purging Fyre thorow which of necessitie everie one must passe who-so-ever they bee that enter into Paradise And yet hee bringeth the same Father in this same verie place and those same verie wordes to proue the Elph-fyre of their Popish Purgatorie In lyke manner Bellarmine citeth Augustine to patronize their Purgatorie in his 21 booke De Civitate Dei and 16 Chapter and 24 where hee affirmeth That some shall suffer certayne Purgatorie Punishmentes before the last Iudgement Which beeing compared with the 25 Chapter of the 20 booke it will appeare clearlie there-by that hee meaneth that Fyre of Conflagration that shall immediatelie goe before the last daye of Generall Doome and not that Popish Fyre of Purgatorie that is suffered after the day of particular Death And the effect where-of hee showeth shall bee this to wit That it shall separate some to the left hand and melt out others to the right hand of CHRIST and so consequently shall seaze on all men both wicked and Godlie To obviate therefore this Fraude the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or ground Errour would carefully be adverted that if they reject the Roore of such Colloquintid● themselues they vrge vs not with the Blade or Branch nor fraudfullie make that to serue their Turne by clayming the Fathers in such a poynt wholie to make for them vvhyle as tryall doeth discover that them-selues rejecting the Ground they Ipso facto lyke-wyse disclayme the super-structure And this the more warily would bee seene vnto because the Ground Errour is some-tymes more latent especiallie to one that is not acquaynted with such a Father his whole workes whose Testimonie is cited one notable Example where-of I will instance out of our Adversaries bringing of Theophylact for the countenancing of their praying and offering for the dead not considering his Ground Errour where-vpon this a-rose vvhich was not for bringing the Soules of those out of Purgatorie who died onelie with the guilt of Veniall Sinnes but to saue the Soules of those out of Hell vngone there who had died impenitentlie with the guilt of haynous sinnes and which hee thought by the Prayers and Oblations of the living might be gotten done grounding his Errour on that Speach of our Saviour Luke 12 5 in which hee wisheth vs to obserue That Christ did not say Feare him who after hee hath killed casteth into Hell but hath power to cast into Hell For the sinners which die sayeth he are not all-wayes casten into Hell but it remayneth in the power of GOD to pardon them also And this I say for the Oblations and Doales which are made for the dead which doe not a little avayle them which die even in grievous sinnes Where-fore let vs not cease by Almes and Intercession to appeale Him that hath power to cast but doeth not alwayes vse this power sayeth hee but is able to pardon also 4. How they cite words of Fathers which no-wyse are in their Writs FOR a cleare Evidence of this let this one Practise of Bellarmine's sufficientlie examplifie who to proue Purgatorie doeth cite these wordes out of Theodoret's Commentarie on the first Epistle to the Corinthians and third Chapter saying Hunc ipsum ig●em p●rgatorium credimus that is Wee belieue this same Fyre of Purgatorie to bee indeede Which wordes not-with-standing their owne Senensis testifyeth are no-wyse to bee found in the Writs of Theodoret. CHAP. XI How the Romanists not onelie equall but preferre the judgement of their late Divines to the Fathers not-with-standing of the Reverence they pretend to Antiquitie and this both in Dogmaticall poynts and exposition of Scripture FIrst then forequalling their new Doctors with the most auncient Fathers let the Iesuit Sandeus his speach concerning Bellarmine in Proofe haue the Primacie A Man sayeth hee most learned and modest Quem veluti saeculi nostri Augustinum venerabitur posteritas boni omnis catholice eruditi suspiciunt that is Whom the Posteritie shall reverence as the Augustine of our Age and whom all good