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A66964 A discourse of the necessity of church-guides, for directing Christians in necessary faith with some annotations on Dr Stillingfleet's answer to N.O. / by R.H. R. H., 1609-1678. 1675 (1675) Wing W3446; ESTC R38733 248,311 278

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239._o l._n 8._o whatever_o consequence_n be_v charge_v upon_o i_o for_o make_v that_o a_o fundamental_a principle_n must_v reflect_v as_o much_o upon_o s._n austin_n as_o i_o see_v the_o contrary_a note_v on_o p._n 236._o l._n 1._o pag._n 240._o l._n 4._o who_o vincentius_n lerinensis_n seem_v to_o attribute_v more_o to_o the_o guide_n of_o the_o church_n than_o s._n aust●n_n do_v yet_o far_o enough_o short_a of_o infallibility_n now_o we_o must_v follow_v our_o author_n to_o vincentius_n lerinensis_n as_o for_o this_o father_n first_o he_o hold_v in_o all_o age_n the_o existence_n and_o be_v of_o a_o catholic_n church_n distinct_a from_o other_o if_o any_o heretical_a how_o numerous_a soever_o they_o may_v be_v in_o which_o catholic_n church_n be_v preserve_v entire_a the_o catholic_n doctrine_n especial_o in_o all_o necessary_n and_o if_o so_o therefore_o a_o church_n in_o whatever_o age_n always_o consentient_a with_o antiquity_n so_o that_o vniversalitas_n as_o to_o the_o 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saecula_fw-la sine_fw-la sine_fw-la mansuram_fw-la and_o c._n 24._o prophanas_fw-la vocum_fw-la novitates_fw-la devita_fw-la quas_fw-la recipere_fw-la atque_fw-la sectari_fw-la nunquam_fw-la catholicorum_n semper_fw-la verò_fw-la haereticorum_fw-la fuit_fw-la and_o c._n 32._o he_o describe_v the_o catholic_n church_n thus_o i.e._n the_o ecclesiastical_a governor_n and_o prelate_n thereof_o christi_fw-la verò_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la sedula_fw-la &_o cauta_fw-la depositorum_fw-la apud_fw-la se_fw-la dogmatum_fw-la custos_fw-la nihil_fw-la in_o iis_fw-la unquam_fw-la permutat_fw-la nihil_fw-la minuit_fw-la nihil_fw-la addit_fw-la hoc_fw-la unum_fw-la studet_fw-la ut_fw-la quae_fw-la jam_fw-la expressa_fw-la &_o enucleata_fw-la cons●lidet_fw-la firmet_fw-la siqua_fw-la jam_fw-la confirmata_fw-la &_o definita_fw-la custodiat_fw-la denique_fw-la quid_fw-la unquam_fw-la aliud_fw-la concilisrum_fw-la decretis_fw-la enisa_fw-la est_fw-la nisi_fw-la ut_fw-la quid_fw-la antea_fw-la simpliciter_fw-la 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uchementer_fw-la studioseque_fw-la observanda_fw-la primùm_fw-la si_fw-la quid_fw-la esset_fw-la antiquitùs_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la catholicae_fw-la sacerdotibus_fw-la vniversalis_fw-la concilii_fw-la auctoritate_fw-la decretum_fw-la deinde_fw-la siqua_fw-la nova_fw-la exurgeret_fw-la quaestio_fw-la ubi_fw-la id_fw-la minimè_fw-la reperiretur_fw-la recurrendum_fw-la ad_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la patrum_fw-la sententias_fw-la et_fw-la quicquid_fw-la uno_fw-la sensu_fw-la atque_fw-la consensu_fw-la tenuisse_fw-la invenirentur_fw-la id_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la verum_fw-la &_o catholicum_fw-la absque_fw-la ullo_fw-la scrupulo_fw-la judicaretur_fw-la c._n 40._o descant_v on_o 1._o cor._n 12.28_o he_o say_v of_o the_o church-governor_n hos_fw-la ergo_fw-la in_o ecclesiâ_fw-la dei_fw-la divinitùs_fw-la per_fw-la tempora_fw-la &_o loca_fw-la dispensatos_fw-la quisquis_fw-la in_o sensu_fw-la catholici_fw-la dogmatis_fw-la unum_fw-la aliquid_fw-la in_o christo_fw-la sentientes_fw-la 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