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B13698 A dialogue or conference betweene Irenæus and Antimachus, about the rites and ceremonies of the Church of England: by Samuel Gardiner, Doctor of Diuinitie Gardiner, Samuel, b. 1563 or 4. 1605 (1605) STC 11575; ESTC S102819 49,951 71

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there was some vse of this sign against the contemners of christ crucifica let it be a long time willingly taken vp of christians for the outward profession of true religion Heming in 1. Cap. Ioh. Zanchius de baptis Hemingius in the first chapter vpon Iohn sayth Minime improbo signum crucis I doo not disallowe of the signe of the crosse Thus you see how we would sausfie you in your mind euery way Antimachus Though you have prooued the vse of the crosse out of many authors yet you shew not that it was vsed in Baptisme I wish you should prooue that Irenaeus What saye you to Tertulliau who speaking of the signe of the Crosse Aduersus Marcionè lib. 3. De praescript ad uersus haereticos there withall toucheth the sacraments of the church thus coupling them together Quae omnia cum in te quoque deprchendantur signaculum frontium ecclesiarum sacramenta I would also you shold wel waigh these words of the same father Sed quae itur a quo intellectus interpretetur corū quae aduersus hareses faciunt A diabolo scilicet cuius sunt partes interuertendi veritatē qui ipsas quoque res sacramentorū diuinorū in idolorū mysteriis aemulatur Fing it ipse quosdam vtique credentes fideles suos expiatione peccatorū de lauacro repromit●it sic initiat mithrae signat ille in frontib us milites suos celebrat panis oblationē Tertul de resurrecti one carnis imaginē refurrectionis inducit I also charge you with this his other saying Caro abluitur vt anima emaculetur caro vngitur vt anima consecretur caro signatur vt anima muniatur caro manus impositione adumbratur vt anima spiritu illuminetur caro corpore sanguine Christi vescitur vt anima deo saginetur But most plaine and plausible is this speech of Origen Origen in Psal 8 Ho●●● 2. To. ● 1 Vt ergo nō exprobremur ab insipiente conuertamus nos ob omitibus iniquitatibus nostris ne deprehendens in nobis maculas pecca●orum idest suae voluntatis insignia exprobret dicat Ecce hic Christianus dicebatur signo Christi signabatur in fronte meas autem volun tates mea chirographa gerebat in corde Ecctile qui mih meis operibus renuntiauit in baptismo meis rursum operibus se inseruit meisque legibus paret Liberati ergo ab omnibus inquitatibus stude amus ne in die Iudicij huiusmodi oppr●briis inspientes diabols succumbamus That we may not be vpbraided by the diuell let vs depart from all our iniquities leaste finding in vs the spottes of sinnes that is the badge and ensignes of his will he thus checke and choake vs saying Behold this man was called a Christian and was signed with the signe of Christ in his forehead but my will and handwriting was in his hart Behold this man who forsooke mē and al my works in baptisme hath again wrapped himselfe in my workes and obeyed my lawe Wherefore being deliuered from all iniquities let vs haue a care that in the day of iudgement we be not ouercom of the reproachful speeches of this foolish diuell Antimachus Know you any further regard had in the constitution of this ceremony Irenaeus Our forefathers alluded herein to the old custome of the Iewes who were commaunded to sprinkle the postes of their houses with the bloud of the Paschall lamb now our people according to this similitude signed the forehead with the Crosse because the other legall ceremonie ceased and they might not sacrifice after the comming of Christ This reason Augustin toucheth in his book De catechizandis rudibus in the 20. chapter Christi passio in illo populo figurata est cùm iussi sunt ouem occidere manducare de sanguine eius postes suos signare hoc celebrare omni anno Cuius passionis crucis signo in fronte hodie tanquam in poste signandus es omnesque Christiani signantur Christ his passion was figured in that people whē they were commanded to kill the lamb and eate and to signe their postes with the bloud therof and to celebrate that euery yeer With which signe if his passiō crosse thou art at this day signed in the forehead as in a post so are al christiās to be signed This he further presseth in the very be ginning of the 26 chapter of the same book saying vtique fignandus est ecclesiae more tractandas Hee is to bee signed and handled according to the order of the Church Thus are all your former reasons aunswered and they fall before the face of better instaunces as Dagon before the arke Antimachus But we should rather beare christ crucified in our heartes then to professe him in this bare and outwarde signe Irenaeus I know that the power and vertue of the crosse is not in the externall signe but in the internall faith which taketh hold of Christ nayled vpon the crosse but it pleaseth god to teache his church by outward signes God willeth Ezechiell to take a scrippe Ezech. 12 a staffe shooes like a wayfaring man in token that he should bee a banished man The same Prophet by two tables which he ioyneth together Ezech. 37 foresheweth that the kingdome of Israell and Iudah Isay 20 shall be consolidated and become one poeple Isaiah by going barefoote teacheth Aegypte and Aethiopia that so they shall goe in their captiuity Ieremiah by bearing yoakes and fetters Ierem. 27 and sending them to the kinges of Edom Moab Ammon Tyrus Sydon Iudah giueth them a visible and palpable signe of their indurance in Babylon Helyseus willeth Ioas king of Israell 2 King 13 who came to visite him in his sicknesse to take vp a bowe and arrowes thereby prophecying victory ouer the Assyrians 1. King 11 vnto him The Prophet Ahiah rent Ieroboams new cloake in twelue parts willing Ieroboam to take ten of them in signe of the rent that the Lord had made of the kingdome of Salomon into twelue parts whereof tenne of them should deuolue to Ieroboam Christ willeth his disciples to shake off the dust from their feet Math. 10 taken in that house where the word of God offered was despised in testimoniall of this presumption Math 18. Christ checketh and conuinceth the ambition of his disciples by setting a little child in the midst of them Ioh. 13. Hee washed his disciples feet by that signe reading them a lecture of humility and charity Acts. 21. Agabus taking Pauls girdle in hand saide So shall this man be bound that oweth this girdle The very heathens vsed this kind of learning to teach aduertise by outward signs Scyllurus scytha in Plutarch being at the point of deth exhorteth his children to concord in many graue wordes but at last by a sheffe of arrowes bound together which afterward he seueted