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A04482	The true copies of the letters betwene the reuerend father in God Iohn Bisshop of Sarum and D. Cole vpon occasion of a sermon that the said Bishop preached before the Quenes Maiestie, and hir most honorable Counsel. 1560. Set forthe and allowed, according to the order appointed in the Quenes Maiesties iniunctions. Cum gratia & priuilegio Regiæ Maiestatis per septennium.	Jewel, John, 1522-1571.; Cole, Henry, 1500?-1580. aut	1560 (1560)	STC 14613; ESTC S107807	107,547	377

The olde doctours holy fathers of the church s. Ciprian S. Chrisostom s ▪ Ambrose S. Hierom s. Augustin others that receiued the sacrament at the Apostles hands and as it may be thought continewed the same in suche sort as they had receiued it neuer make mention in any of all theyr bokes of adouring or worshipping of the sacrament It is a very new deuise and as it is well knowne came but lately into the church About thre hundred yeres past Honorius beynge then Bishop of Rome commaunded the sacramēt to be lifted vp the people reuerently to bow down to it ▪ After hym Urbanus the fourth appointed a holy daye of Corpus Christi and graunted out large pardons to the kepers of it that the people shuld with better wyll resorte to the churche and kepe it holy This is the greatest ●…ntiquity of the whole mater aboute t●…re hundred yeares ago it was fir●…e found out and put in prac●…ise But Christ and his Apostles the ho●…y fathers in the primitiue c●…urche y ● doctours that folowed them and other learned and godly mē what soeuer for the space of M. cc. yeres after Christ neuer heard of it Once again I say for the space of M. cc. yeres after Christes ascension into heauen this worshipping of y ● sacramēt was neuer known or practised in any place within y ● who le catholike churche of Christ throughout the whole world But after it was once receyued put in vse and the people began to worship the sacrament w t godlye honour the learned men schole doctours that then were sawe it coulde not stande withoute great daunger cōfessed that the ignorant sort therby might sone be led into idolatry Marke I beseche you what I say for I know vnto sum men it semeth not possible y t there may be any kind of daunger in worshipping the sacramente of Christes body And therfore sum haue alledged Saint Augustius words in this behalfe Nemo māducat nisi prius adoret No mon eateth Christes body but first he doth worship it And agayn Non peccamus adorando sed mag●…s p●…caremus non adorando 〈◊〉 offende not in worshippinge the fleshe of Christ but 〈◊〉 we shoulde offence if we shoulde not worship it But in dede the schole doctours and learned men sawe there might be daunger in worshipping the sacrament and therfore gaue warning of it Io●…n Duns and william Durand say thus if there remayned the substaunce of bread after consecration the people would therof take occasion of Idolatry and in steade of Christes bodye woulde geue godly worship vnto y ● bread And therfore they thought it best to remoue away the bread ▪ and to bring in transubstātiation a word ne●…ly deuised ▪ neuer once herd or spoken of before the councel of Laterane holden at Rome in the yere of our Lorde M. ccxv But the olde doctours fathers which fyrste planted the churche and to whome more credit is to be geuē wryte plainlye that in the sacramente after consecration there remayneth styll very bread wyne in nature and substaunce as before And to alleadg one or two in stead of many Saint Augustine sayeth in a sermon ad infantes Quod videtis in m●…nsa panis est That thynge that ye see vpon the table is bred Gelasius also sayth in lyke sort Non desinit esse substātia panis vel natura vini sed manē●… in suae proprietate naturae It leaueth not to be the substaunce of bread or the nature of wyne but they remayne in the propertie of theyr own nature Theodoretus and olde doctour of the church likwyse saith Christus ea sy mbola quae videntur cor poris sanguinis sui appelatione honorauit non naturam transmutans sed naturae adiiciens gratiam Christ saith Theodoretus honoted the bread a●…d wyne which we see with the names of hys bodye and bloud not chaunging the nature therof but vnto the same nature ioyninge his grace I knowe not ▪ what maye be more clearlye 〈◊〉 Saint Augustin sayth it is bread Gelasius saith it leaueth not to be the substaunce nature of bread and wyne Theodoretus sayth Christ honoured the bread and wyne with the natures of his body and bloud ▪ but yet chaunged not theyr nature ▪ Thus the olde godly bishops and fathers of the churche acknowledge and affirm that bread remayneth in the sacrament after cōsecratiō But Duns and Durand and sum others of y ● yong fathers and doctours say if the people worship the sacrament and bread remain then must they nedes be in great daunger of idolatry Wherfore we may wel conclude of them both for as much as it is cleare by the olde doctours y ● bread remaineth that the people resortinge to the masse and ther●… worshipping the sacrament must nedes be in daunger of idolatrye Fartherthey say Idolatry may be done to y e sacrament if a man happen to worship the accidents of the bread that is to say y ● whitenes or roūdnes or other such outward fourmes or shewes of breade as he seeth with his eye and geue the honoure vnto in y t stede of Christs body O miserable people y t thus is lead to worship they know not what For alas how many of thē vnderstandeth these distinc●…ions or care for them how many of thē vnderstand after what sorte accidentia may be sine subiecto or how whytenes is founded in the sacramente or what is the difference betwene substantia and accidens Or what priest when he went to masse euer taughte the people to knowe these thynges to auoyde the daunger Undoubtedlye I could neuer yet perceyue by any readinge eyther of the scriptures or els of other prophane writings but that y e people of all ages hath euer more ben redier to receyue idolatrye then to learne y e distinctions and quiddities of Logike or Philosophye Thus we see euen by the confession of Duns Durand other theyr owne doctours that he that goeth to the masse worshippeth the sacramēt onlese he be learned and take good hede maye soone commit idolatrye The doctrine of it selfe is newe y e prosite of it such as the churche of god for the space of twelue hundred yeares was well hable to be without it The ieopardy of it great and horrible scarcely possible to be auoided I speake not these thinges good bretherne to thentente to spoyle Chryst of the honour that is due vnto hym I knowe and confesse that Christes blessed body is most worthy of al honour I know 〈◊〉 the flesh of the son of God is not therfore the lesse honourable because it is now become glorious and sytteth in heauen at the right hand of God his father The body of Christ sitting aboue al heauēs is worshipped of vs beynge here beneath in earth Therefore the priest at the Communion before he enter into y ● holy misteries geueth warninge vnto the people to mount vp wyth theyr mynds into heauen

require you to no greate paine one good sentence shal be sufficient You would haue your priuate masse the Bishop of Romes Supremarie the Commen prayer in an vnknowen tongue and for the defence of the same ye haue made no sinal adoo Me thinketh it reasonable ye bryng sum one authoritie beside your owne to auouche the same withall Ye haue made y ● vnlearned people beleue ye had al the Doctours al the Coūcelles fiften hūdred yeres on your side For your credites sake let not all these great vaūts come to naught Where ye say ye are in place of a learner and gladly cum to be taught you must pardon me it semeth very hard to beleue For if you were desirous to learne as you would seme ye would cum to the Church ye would resort to the lessons ye would abide to hear a sermon for these are the Scholes if a man list to learn It is a token the scholer passeth 〈◊〉 for his Boke y e wil neuer be brought to Schole Ye desyre ye may not be put of but y t your suit may be considered And yet this half yere long I haue desired of you of your brethe●… but one sentence and still I know not how I am cast of and can get nothing at your handes You call for the speciall proufes of our doctrine whiche would require a whole Boke where as if you of your part could vouchesaue to bring but two lines the whole matter were concluded Yet lest I should seme to flie rekening as ye do or to folow you in discourtesie I wil perfourme sum part of your request although in dede it be vnreasonable Agayust your new de●…se of trāsubstantiatiō besides many others whom I wil now passe by ye haue the old father doctour Gelasius whose iudgement I beleue ye will regarde the more bicause he was sōtime bishop of Rome which See as you haue taught can never 〈◊〉 And is alleaged in the decries his wordes be plaine Non desinit esse substantia panis natura vini It leaueth not to be the substance of bread and the nature of wine But to auoid this authoritie sum men of your side haue ben forced to expound these words in this sorte Non desinit esse substantia hoc est non desinit esse accidēs It leaueth not to be the substāce of bread y t is to saye it leaueth not to be the accidence or the fourme or the shape of Bread A very miserable shift Euen as right as the Scholie expoundeth the Text. Dist. 4. Statuimus id est abrogamus Yet doctor Smith of Oxford toke a wiser way For his answear is that Gelasius neuer wrote those wordes and that they hange not together and that there is no sence nor reason in them Here haue you that after the cō secration there remaineth the sub stance of bread and Wine Now bryng ye but one doctour that will say as ye saye that there remayneth only the accidentes or shapes of bread and wyne and I will yelde As touching a priuate Masse Gregorie saieth in his dialogues that before the time of the Cōmunion the Deacon was ●…oute in his time to crie vnto the people Qui non communicat locum cedat alteri who so will not receaue the Communion let him departe and giue place to others To breake the ordinaunce of Christ and to communicate vnder one kinde only your own doctour Gelasius calleth it Sacrilegiū And Theophilus Alexandrinus sayeth Si Christus mortuus fuisset pro Diabolo non negaretur illi poculum sanguinis ●…f Christ had died for the Deuil the cup of the bloud should not be denied him That the Cōmen prayers were vsed in the commen tongue you haue S. Basil S Hierome S. Augustin S. Chrisostome Saint Ambrose and the Emperour Iustiniam the places be knowen You see I disaduantage my self of many thinges that mighte be spoken For at this present I haue no leisure to write Bokes Now must I needes likewyse desire you forasmuche as I haue folowed your minde so far ether to bryng me one olde doctour of your side or els to giue vs leaue to thinke as the trueth is ye haue none to bryng You desire vs to leaue 〈◊〉 agaynst you and no more to 〈◊〉 so 〈◊〉 with you in the pulpittes O maister Doctour call you this vnmercifull dealyng when you were in authoritye ye neuer coulde call vs other then ●…tours and heretiques and yet besides all that vsed our Bodies as you know We only tell the people as our 〈◊〉 is that you withstand the manifest trueth and yet haue nether Doctour nor Councell nor Scripture for you and that you haue shewed such extremitye as y ● like hathe not ben sene and nowe can giue no rekenyng why Or if ye can let it appeare You saye our doctrine is yet in doubt I answere you to vs it is most certein and out of all doubt But if you for your parte be yet in doubt reason and charitie would ye had bene quite resolued out of doubt before ye had dealt so vnmercifully for it w t your brethern You are bound you say may not dispute yet god be thāked you are not so bound as ye haue boūd others But I wold wish y t Quenes maiestie wold not only set you at 〈◊〉 in that behalf but also commaunde you to shewe your groundes But when ye were at liberty ▪ and a free disputatiō was offred you at Westminster before the Quenes most honorable coūcel the whole estate of y ● Realm ▪ I pray you whether parte was it that then gaue ouer And yet thē you know ye were not bound Ye say ye remayne still in the faith ye were baptised in O good maister doctor stand not to much in that point You knowe ye haue alreadie for saken a great number of suche thinges as were thought necessarie whē ye were Baptised and yet be sides that how many times haue sū of you altered your faith within the space of twenty yeares Remember your self who wrote the Boke A. De vera obediē ▪ tia against the Supremacie of Rome B who commended it with his preface C who set it forth with solemne Sermons D who confirmed it with open othe You haue ecclesiam Apostol ▪ cam ye saye and we haue none Nowbeit in all these matters that we nowe entreat of we haue as you know must needes confesse the olde doctors church the auntient Councelles Church the Primitiue church S. Peters church S. 〈◊〉 Church and Christs Church and this I beleue ought of good right to be called the Apo stelles Churche And I 〈◊〉 mutch that you knowing ye haue none of all these yet should say ye haue ecclesiam Apostolicam Where ye say ye make no innouation it is no marueile for in manner all thinges were altered afore to your hands as may most ●…uidently appear by all these matters that be nowe in question betwene vs wherin ye

houre of his death ●…nd where ye meane I condescēded to the 〈◊〉 of king Henry at 〈◊〉 first comming home or I had laboured the matter ye dyd the ●…ke your selfe For in Quene Maries tyme ▪ ye subscribed to the 〈◊〉 sume of them we are entred to talke in 〈◊〉 youre no les blame then mine There be in this town that both saw yo●… subscryb and can bryng forth you●… hand The Reply Sarum YEs I thinke ye are gone frō one thing at the least besides pardons and pilgrimeges I ment not D. Gardiner to pul him out of his graue to tormēt him being dead as ye did master Bucer master Fagius in Cambridg Doctour Peter martirs wyfe in Oxon. others mo but onely that I woulde not haue you builde to much vpon your constancy which hitherto hath ●…en fo●…nd to be 〈◊〉 as the pleasure of the prince But he repented him ye saye when he saw he shoulde nedes dye I trust he did so for he had good cause so to do But if he repented himselfe of his boke y ● he had written so stoutly against y ● pope why did he not recant it in all his lyfe tyme why did he not re●…oke hys errour openly why helde he hys peace why dissēbled he so depely for the space of xx yeares together ●…e say it was onely at youre first comming home from Italy that ye condescended to the Prymacie of king Henry Here muste I put you in remembraunce that ye continewed therin still all king Henries time out euen vntill the death of king Edward and y ● cumming in of Quene Mary And yf her grace had continewed out to haue entitled her selfe y ● Supreme head of the church of England as she did a great whyl after her first entry and y ● as it is to bethought without burthen of her conscience I doubt not then but ye woulde haue talkt better with your selfe continewed so still At this meane whyle ye came to the churche ye sayed and heard y e cōmen praiers ye ministred and receiued the cōmunion and in all your doinges bare your selfe as any other subiecte of this realm And thus held out as I said for the space of xxyeres I may say to you this was a good long cumming home Therfore I may well thus conclude ●… ye must nedes confesse the same y t either ye deceiued the people then by your example and conformitye of all your doinges allowing that religion for good whiche in youre conscience ye knew to be nought or els that ye be a dissembler and deceyue the people nowe making them asmuche as in you lyeth by your example to thynke this rel●…gion to be nought whiche in your cōscience and knowledge ye find to be godly and good So y t what soeuer iudgement ye haue now or hertofore haue had of this religiō it must nedes appeare that eyther ye be nowe or els haue ben a deceiuer of the people But after ye had laboured the matter better and as ye saye had red the doctours I pray you what doctour found ye y ● euer told you either that y ● Pope ought to haue the supremacy of y ● who le church or y t the Prince in his own church ought not to haue it But I haue subscribed ye saye aswel as ye and my hand is to be seene and there be sume that sawe me when I did it These proufes were nedefull if I had denied the fact But I haue cōfessed it openly and vnrequired in the mides of the congregation The argumēts that ye made were so terrible ye concluded altogether with fyer fagot I confesse I shoulde haue done otherwyse But if I had not done as I did I had not bene her now to encounter with you if ye should now be apposed with y e like conclusions I doubte not but ye woulde be glad to do as bothe ye your self●… and your felowes haue done heretofore ¶ Sarum YE haue Ecclesiam Apostolicam ye saye and we haue none yet ye knowe in all these matters y t we now entreat of we haue the olde doctours churche y ● auncient councels church the primatiue church S. Peters church Saint Paules church and Christes church And this 〈◊〉 beleue onlesse ye can brig me good reason to the cōtrary may be called y ● Apostles church And I marueil muche that ye hauing as ye know none of all these churchs or any shadow or token of th●… yet shold so boldely saye ye haue Ecclesi●… Apostolicam ¶ Cole TO this and sume part of the Article ye shal be answered in the ende of this writing as I before sayed ¶ Sarum WHere ye say ye make no innonatiōs it is no maruell for in a maner all thinges were altered to your hande as may most euidently appeare by all these matters y t be now in question Wherin ye haue vtterly chaunged and abolished the order of the Primatiue church and do nothing els but y ● cōtrary And what euident profit the Church of God hath gotten by it I thinke it a harde matter for you to declare ¶ Cole VVHat nedeth so much of one thinge Thys serueth you to seme to say to much The Reply Sarum ▪ THis answer is so shorte that it concludeth nothing ¶ Sarum YE would haue the matter turned ouer to sume suche generall councell as we woulde be contente to stand vnto How●…it that ye think will not be in your time Notwithstanding this I dare boldely saye suche a councell wil be a great whyle before 〈◊〉 shall finde any doctour or olde councel to serue your purpose But if there neuer be suche a councell yet trueth will be trueth notwithstanding For y ● coūcell can not make fal●…hed trueth but that thinge that it taketh for trueth it certifieth only to be true ¶ Cole I 〈◊〉 ¶ Sarum BUt what redresse can there be 〈◊〉 for at such a councel wheras no mā shall be iudg or suffered to speak 〈◊〉 way or other but onely such as be openly and iustly accused and found faultie And whereas he that is himselfe moste out of order shal be head and reformer of the whole ¶ Cole 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 excuses men laye how 〈◊〉 let 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The reply Sarum YE knowe that in youre owne law there was euermore Exceptio iudicis incompetentis And by what lawe can ye fynde that a man maye be a competente iudge in his own cause if the indifferent vsing of the matter maye be tryed by experyence in thys youre laste generall councell holden at Trydent ye knowe that not one man of oure syde notwythstandynge there wer a great nomber of them there seute thether of purpose by theyr Prynces coulde be suffered to sit amonge the rest or to haue a voyce or to yelde a reason of hys faith And y ● Pope Iulius third gau●… out vnder his bryeue that none of them all shoulde be heard there vnlesse it were ▪ as he sayed to recant their errours And notwstandinge Pighius himself