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A10173	Protestants demonstrations, for Catholiks recusance All taken from such English Protestant bishops, doctors, ministers, parlaments, lawes, decrees, and proceedings, as haue beene printed, published, or allowed among them in England; since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome: and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof. And euidentlie prouinge by their owne writings, that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn, co[m]municate with English Protestants, in their seruice, sermons, or matters of religion: and soe conuincinge by the[m]selues, their religio[n] to be most damnable, & among other things, their ministery to bee voide, false & vsurped.	Broughton, Richard, attributed name.	1615 (1615)	STC 20450; ESTC S112509	81,861	158

Scismatici contra Episcopos non sunt audiendi Scismaticks are not to bee hard against Bishops M. Ormerod speaketh of them in this maner Ormer dial 2. They pe●seuer in inueterate and olde Scisme which by the auntient fathers and protestants alsoe maketh heresie Therefore protestants are both scismaticks and hereticks M. Powell himselfe Povvell cons pa 11. 16 19. pag. 25. 35. 48. 52. a puritane writeth thus of them They are Scismaticall they are in scisme th●●r ca●e is ●●ismaticall they haue p●anaticall giddin●s Sci●mes factions and innouation th●● are so●ers ●f s●di●ion scisme and faction they are scismaticks they are guiltie of scisme M Parkes calleth them Scismaticall hereticall and sacriledgeous they are Parkes Apol ●pist ded headstronge in Scisme and hardened in error How the puritane protestants vppon the groundes of our english protestants haue condemned all protestāt churches to be scismatical against the church and Pope of Rome is related before and the protestant author of the Cert consid An. 1565. ●p dedicat booke named certaine considerations giueth this testimonie The protestants of England syn against God in their proceedings their Religion is sed●tious a sect Scisme it is much like to an euill herbe or vve●de vvhich if it bee not speedely rooted vp but suffered to spreade vvill soone ouerspreade the gardons of God vvit● vice and impietie as there will scarce be● any roume left for vertue and pietie And D. Couell a man of best temper in writing amonge them speaketh thus of Couell ex●● pag. 139. their english protestants The scismes and diuisions amongst vs haue made a number renounce their office Then if the protestant Ministers themselues haue thus obserued themselues to bee in Scismes and therevppon renounced their office and communion Catholick● may not now begyn to communicate with them thus by themselues condemned for Scismaticks The 8. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because the publicke protestant Seruice at which they refuse to bee present and communicate in is false hereticall iustely condemned and damnable by their owne doctrine NOw to come to their pretēded church seruice it selfe at which because Catholicks moste iustely as before refuse to bee present and for such Recusancie or Refusall are moste vniustly and aboue the measure of punishment of the greatest and notorious syns excepting treasons and matters of state punished and afflicted being conteyned in that their soe called Communion Booke or Booke of common prayers I argue thus Noe man may communicate with Hereticks and Scismaticks especiallie in prayers and publicke seruice not onely inuented and vsed without the allowance of the true and lawfull pastors but directly opposite and repugnant to the highest spirituall authoritle and iurisdiction But the english protestants by their owne testimonies before are in this case Therefore not to bee communicated with in such prayers and seruice Secondly I argue thus noe new deuised order of prayer deuised by consortinge vnto and in it selfe conteyninge and approuinge a Religion contrary to holy scriprures both the written and vnwritten word of God generall Councells decrees and doctrine of the primatiue Popes and fathers and to all churches of Christendome both present and heretofore derogatorie both to the triumphant militant and patient church of Christ where ●ll sacraments and instruments of grace either are absolutely denyed o● soe vnduely and prophanely vsed that all gr●ce by them is taken away from the lyuinge from them that die from Cleargie from laitie for the maried vnmaryed olde younge Ritch and pore and where there is not true ministery nor church to haue any hope of saluation in may bee communicated withall especially if these moste greuous and enormeous absurdities and inconueniences bee proued and made apparant by the cheife professors themselues of such a supposed Religion But the lamentable case and condition of these english protestants as is demonstratiuely proued by them befor is such as is her recited Therfore their seruice not to be communicated with vnder moste damnable and desperate syn Thirdly I argue in this maner whatsoeuer seruyce rite of sacraments or fashion of prayer was condemned by the best learned protestants of England Scotland Fraunce c. to bee foolish trifelinge and by reason apparant to bee disallowed and yett was deuised and allowed by the onely authoritie of an vnlearned childe kinge Edward 6. and Queene Elizabeth a woman not onely repugnant vnto the publicke approued office of our mother and commaundinge church the church of Rome but different from the custome of all protestant churches may not bee communicated withall But the english protestant Seruice and booke of common prayer is such by these protestants themselues Therfore by them not to bee communicated with The maior proposition is euidently true for the seruice that should bee soe receaued by any particular and not commaunding church as the english is not against the vse order and doctrine of all other churches true or pretended must needs bee both scismaticall and hereticall The minor proposition is thus proued first that the english protestant seruice is repugnant vnto the publicke seruice of the latine greeke Armenian other auntient churches it is euident by their liturgies Masses litanies c. conteining the doctrines Miss S. Iacobi Chris● Basil Aethiopum Mussarob Gregor c Couell against Burg pag. 69. of transsubstantiation prayer to Saints for the deade c. how it differeth from other protestant churches and was condemned by the best learned protestants of them is thus proued by protestants them selues First D. Couell writeth in these words The protestant Bishop of London Ridley a cheefe martyr with M. Foxe wrote vnto M. Grindall after their protestant Ar●hbishop of Canterbury that a man of wit● and learninge may finde to make apparant reasons against the booke of common prayer Then I may first conclude that this their pseudomartyr practizing that Booke and seruice against witt and learninge was either vnlearned and wittles or without Religion grace and conscience or both as others succeding vnto him bee by his Censure and such Booke and seruice not to bee communicated with And to shew that this opinion of their Bishop Ridley was not singular but common amonge those first protestants he writeth thus in another treatise The first protestants of this kingdome in a letter Couell ●xā pag. 72. subscribed with eleuen of their hands whereof Knoxe Gilby Whittingam Goodman were foure moste of them suerly hauing both learninge iudgment call the english protestant Ceremonies trifles and superfluous Ceremonies From whence I first conclude that their seruice soe censured with soe many learned and iudicious men as this protestant esteemeth them may not bee commun●cated with Secondly I conclude this their protestant Religion and seruice to bee new against all former churches and ages and soe hereticall For hee calleth those Censurers of the communion Booke first deuised vnder kinge Edward 6. The first protestants of this kingdome Therefore this their

the pretended english Bishops made either by vertue of the Queenes letters patents or commission as the wordes of the statute bee as kinge Edward made Ihon of Alasco or by the new toyeish booke of ordination or otherwise and their ministery deriued from them is voide ridiculous and vsurped none at all But before I conclude this Chapter because I meruaile more then vrgent occasions mouinge me with what colour of reason or least shewe of common ciuilitie this false adulterate vnsacrificing pretended ministery foretold by that badge of taking away the publick sacrifice and making them preists that are mere lay men by that Holy Bishop S. Methodius about 1400. yeares agoe wa●ranted by M. Iames the protestant in his booke of english manuscripts and doe vnconscionably persecute the churche of Rome especiall the preisthood thereof and yett claime honor their pretended ministery from thence I humbly craue leaue of his Maiestie my moste honored Lordes and other temporall Rulers in authoritie that as I haue confuted the vayne pretences of these men and demonstratiuely proued by our greatest aduersaries the dignitie of our moste holy consecration soe in one protestant Argument I may proue the absurditie and p●rill of protestants clayming from Rome And thus I argue All men borne within this Realme or any other dominions vnder the Regiment of Queene Elizabeth An 27. Eli. cap. 2. in the 27. yeare of her raigne and ●ynce the feastè of the natiuitie of S. Ihon Baptist in the first yeare of her raigne made preists deacons or religeous or ecclesiasticall parsons made or ordeyned by any authoritie power or iurisdiction deriued challenged or pretended from the See of Rome are Traytors and guiltie of high treason And euery parson Wittnigly and willingly that receaue releeue comfort ayde or mayntaine any such preist deacon religeous or ecclesiasticall parson being at libertie as all saying seruice in their churches bee ●● to bee adiuged a felone without benefite of clargie and suffer death lose and forfaite as in case of one attainted of felonye But all protestant english Bishops and Ministers as their Doctors before haue told vs were soe made by authoritie and power and ordination deriued chalenged and pretended by them from the See of Rome and aboue fi●e monethes synce that feast of Saint Ihon Baptist in the moneth of December followinge when Matthew Parker their first protestant Archbishop was made their Sutcliff ag ●●ll ●a 4. 5. Archbishop and first minister maker by authotie and power from the See of Rome as D. Suttcliffe D. Feild M. Mason the present protestant Feild sup Mason epi. ded in cōsec of Matthew Park An. 2. Elizab. c Archbishop of Canterbury his director Encourager and others doe testifie Therefore all english ministers by them bee traytors and all reliuers receauers comforters ayders maintainers or wittingly and willingly communicating with them as their wiues children all goinge to their seruice or sermons bee felons and to suffer death lose and forfaite as in such case Both propositions bee confessed by these protestants for true and vndoubted the first being the expresse wordes of their parlamen● and highest commaundinge lawe in the seauen and twentieth yeare of Queene Stat. an 27. Eliz. cap. 2. Stat parla 1. Iacob c Elizabeth and confirmed in the first parlament of his maiestie The second proposition is the generall doctrine of their protestant Archbishops Bishops and Doctors at this present as is proued before And if any man of singularitie amonge them shall deny yt hee incurreth the former inconuenience to desminister and vnbishop all their soe named english protestant Bishops and ministers and make them to bee onely by the makinge of a woman Queene Elizabeth which marred many but could make none as these protestants haue demonstrated before If any man obiect that all Obiect such ordained preists deacons or ecclesiasticall parsons by takinge the oath of supreamacie and liuing accordinge to their protestant Religion and lawes in England are excepted by speciall prouision of that statute and that the ministers of England takinge that oathe when Book● of Ordin in ord Deacōs c they are made deacons as appeareth in their Rituall of soe named consecration and soe strictly obseruing the protestant Religion that they persecute the contrary are by this meanes exempt●d I answeare there is noe such prouision or exemption for such men in that sta●u●● But the exemption there onely concerneth ●eare and enfraunchizeth catholicke preists that then were come into England and had the time of fourt●e dayes to depart or such as should after come into England and within three dayes soe as they terme yt conforme themselues and noe others for euidence whe●●●f the very wordes of that prouision and 〈◊〉 bee these that followe Prouided 〈◊〉 that this Ast shall not extend to any such Ie● 〈◊〉 ●eminariè preist or other such preist deacon 〈◊〉 Religeous or ecclesiasticall parson as is before mentioned as shall at any time wit● in the said ●ourtie daies or within three dayes after that hee shall hereafter come into this Realme or any other her ●ighnes dominions submit himselfe to some Archbishop Bishop of this Realme or to some Iustice of peace within the countie where hee shall arriue or lande and doe there vpon truely and sincerely before the same Archbishop Bishop or suche Iustice of peace take the said oathe sett forthe in Anno p●imo and by writinge vnder his hand confesse ackno●ledge and from thence foorth continue his due obedience vnto highne● lawes c. Hitherto the exemption of their lawe which by noe meanes possible can bee applyed to their english ministers none of them being in either of those onely two exempted cases Therfore neither by the lawes of God or this kingdome it can bee lawfull to communicate with english ministers in their seruice and Religion without extreame capitall and damnable perill by their owne testimonies M. Speed Theat pag. 421. Speed addeth all communicating with maried preists are excommunicated by generall Councell The 3. particular Protestant Demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because the not preaching of the word of God a thinge essentiall to the true church of Cbrist in Protestant doctrine is not amonge them by their owne testimonies AND by this it is euident that they haue not the other two protestant Notes and properties of the true church preaching of the Articu 19. puer worde ōf God and sacraments duely ministred in the congregation of faithfull men for as the sacraments cannot bee duely ministred wher● there bee not due Ministers of them soe the puer word of God cannot possibly lawfully and truely bee preached without preachers of yt for sacraments duly ministred and due ministers of them as alsoe the word of God truely preached and true preachers of yt bee correlatiues which mutuò se ponunt aufferunt come and goe together as logitians and reason teach vs. Therfore S. Paule knowing how vnpbssible a thinge it is

ministery wee are all one wee are all of one faithe VVee are ministers of the worde by one order wee preache one faith and substance of doctrine Then which nothing was euer more truly said or written Willet Antilog pag. 15. 20. Your greate Controuertist D. Willet writeth thus amonge protestants of ●ngland there is noe difference or diss●nt in any substantiall point of faith As for puritans and Caluinio-papists they are termes of papists deuisinge D. Georg● Abb. sup pa. 90. 106. 236. 237. Povvell sup pag. 48. 52 Your present protestant Archbishop of Canterbury is soe confident herein that hee vseth thes wordes Noe Goliath against vs can proue the contrary D. Powell with publicke approbation hath thes wordes Noe reformer euer distinguished betweene protestants and them of the reformed church The puritans doe not affirme the diuision betweene protestants and them to bee in substantiall points non but papists affirme that protestants and puritans differ in substantiall points of faith and hee lyeth which saith they differ in substantiall poyntes Like are the testimonies of others But thes are fullie sufficient in this place Therefore seeing I am to alleadge onelie causes and reasons essentiall and substantiall in Religion from thes your english protestant Bishops and doctors why their countrie Catholicks may not by their owne doctrines and proceedings communicate with them in matters of Religion It is euident that noe english protestant or puritane may or in conscience ought to denie any such authoritie to bee cited in this treatise or any conclusion truelie and scientificallie deduced from such their allowed principles for in soe doeinge by their generall graunt before hee should become a papist and a recusant to communicate with protestants or a blasphemous Goliah vncircumcised philistine or a lyer by their owne censure and Iudgment which would bee new and vrgent causes to auoide all spirituall communion with such men Wherevppon presuminge that noe aduersarie will soe muche disable my studyes in diuinitie and artes subordinate vnto yt But that I am able from graunted and allowed principles to deduce necessarie and vndemiable Conclusions I therefore doe confidentlie name this worke A booke of english protestants Demonstrations for English Catholicks recusancie Because the moste iust causes of Catholicks refusall to communicate with protestan●s in Religion are euidentlie proued by those protestants them selues in this Treatise And soe in all obedient and humble manner I take my leaue I rest and hope to continue for euer in all dutifull and beseeminge obedience and loue to our moste blessed Sauiour his Holie church and Religion his maiestie my dearest countrie and your Lordships the moste honorable portion thereof as I haue before professed and obliged myselfe by attestation and bonde vnuiolable PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLICKS RECVSANCIE The first particular protestant Demonstration why english Catholicks may not communicate in spirituall thinges with protestants is because by their owne testimonies yt would bee an act and offence vnreasonable irreligious and damnable THAT it is not lawfull for any Catholicke or member of the Romane church to communicate in Religion and spirituall thinges with the protestants of England I demonstrate by their owne testimonies And first argue thus Noe professors of Religion may lawfully and with securitie forsake that church and communion in which by the testimonie of aduersaries themselues there is saluation and many haue beene by that profession glorious Saints to communicate with a new Religion whereof there is noe such hope or certaine expectation But the state of Catholicks by communicating w●th protestants and forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome should bee in this ●erplexitie euen by thes protestants confession Therefore they may not in conscience forsake communion with the Romane church to ioyne with thes protestants in such busines The fi●st proposition is euidently true for good thinges and certaine may not bee left and forsaken for thinge● either euill or vncertainely good And that men may not communicate in a straunge Religion is confirmed by D. Couell and M. Hull prouinge yt by many Couell exā ●a 200. 201 Hul. Rom. ●ol p. 30. 31 32. 33. 34. Sutcliff exā of petit pa. 10. 11. Povvel ref ●pist apolo●●tic pag. ●5 23. 26. 27. 100. 114 112. 113. c. Feild pa. 27 pag. 182. examples and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie T●at wee may not communi●ate ●ith men of a diuers Religion D. Sutcliffe telleth vs that such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of aun●i●nt Christian Emp●rors The like hee testifieth of Holy scriptures M. Powell is plentifull in this matters and not needfull to bee cited no● man of learninge and conscience affirminge communion in a false or contrary Religion to bee lawfull The minor proposition of certaintie of saluation in the Roman church is thus confirmed by thes protestants D. Feilds wordes bee thes the Romane and la●ine church continued the true church of God euen till our tyme and againe in this maner Wee doubt not but the church of R●me in which the Bishop thereof exalt●d himselfe was not withstanding● the true c●urch of God that is hel● a sauing profession of the truthe in Christ and by force thereof conuerted many contryes from error to truthe D. Couell writeth thus in the name of them all Protestants Couell def of hooke pa. 68. doe gladly acknowledge them of the Romane church to bee t●● family of ●hesus Christ they of Rome Were still are in the church it ●● straunge for any man to deny them of Rome to bee of the church Wee affirme them of the Romane church Couell supr pag 73. 76. to bee partes of the church of Christ and that those that lyue and dye in that church may bee saued Yett both hee and D. Feild giue this sentence Couell sup pag. 76. Feild p. 69. Feild pag. 182. there i● noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church D. Feild further telleth vs that diuers of the Romane church euen of the best learned that coulde not pleade Ignorance bee saued and Saints in heauen Their Bishop Barlowe hath written how greate difficultie it is for princes to bee saued Barl. ag a name l●sse Cathol Willet An. pag. 144. Speede Theat of greate Britan yett D. Willet writeth thus it is not denyed by any protestant but many renowned kinges and Queenes of the Romane faithe are Saincts in heauen The names of our moste holy kinges and Queenes of England which M. Speede in his late Theater of greate Britanie relateth to haue forsaken their Crownes and kingdomes to become pore Monkes Nunnes in that church and Religion and to bee chronicled for all posterities to haue beene moste holy one ●arthe and now glorious Saints in heauen are too many to bee recited Therefore seing thes protestants assure vs that the church of Rome is the true church of Christ they that liue and dye in yt come to heauen and many

onely allowance by a woman vncapable either to haue or giue such power therefore because men in protestants religion may not bee papists nor lyers nor say that soe many of their worthies Bishopps and doctors assuring vs before that they doe not differ in any one essentiall or materiall point bee lyers and dissemblers in religion wee must needs agree with them that say the english ministers haue noe callinge or admittance but by Queene Elizabeth which by them is none at all Againe both vpon the same ground and the like extremitie in their doctrine they are inforced to renownce all ordination from the Pope and church of Rome by this their owne demonstration Noe man can giue that to an other which hee hath not But by them the Pope hath not true ordination Therfore cannot giue yt to others The maior is euidently true and their owne grounde and principle The minor proposition hath beene a common protestant doctrine and must bee iustified by their receaued opinion that the Pope is Antichrist a thinge in religion essentiall for Antichrist that is quite contrary vnto Christ cannot by any meanes bee iudged a true preist and bishop of Christ Thirdly D. Sutcliffe maketh this matter moste cleare in these his wordes Th● Turkes musty i● Sutcliff suru pa. 48. as good a Bishop as the P●pe therefore in his doctrine neither of them a Bishop or able to make either Bishop or preist Therefore in an other worke with publick allowance as also this hath hee writeth of vs in this maner in Sutcliff ag D. kell pa. 4 the Popes church our aduersaries neither haue man●r of ordination nor substance of function they haue not imposition of handes by bishops because they haue not lawfull Bishops Therfore their pretended Bishops if made by such noe Bishops bee not true bishops And soe there bee neither true Bishops nor true and lawfull preists or ministers in the english protestant congregation and soe noe true church nor spirituall communion to bee vsed with them by their owne iudgments And this their new deuise of clayminge a consecration de iure diuino and not their old admittance from Queene Elizabeth was the Protest offer of confer pag. 11. motiue that vrgeth their owne brethren in Religion first to write in thes wordes If prelacie bee de iure diuine by the lawe of God it receaueth breathe and life from the Religion of Rome Whose prelacie and preisthood is euen by our greatest aduersaries acknowledged to bee by diuine institution And this supposed graunted by thes parlamentary protestants thus they add They cannot see how possibly by the rules of diuinitie the separation of our churches from the church of Rome and from the Pope supreame heade thereof can bee iustified And againe in this maner They protest to all the world that the Pope and the church of Rome and in them God 〈◊〉 pa. 16. and Christ Iesus himselfe haue had greate vvronge and that the protestants churches are sc●smaticall in forsakinge the vnion and communion vvith them And this hee that would bee named Archbishop of Canterbury euen by his owne groundes before should rather haue resolued vppon then contrary to his owne iudgment vnderstanding and conscience if I may vse that worde in such proceedings maintayne and aggrauate soe straunge and vnchristian persecutions against sacred and lawfull preisthood in others which though onely imputatiue pretended and vsurped in himselfe hee would haue soe much honored or rather by their Religion Idololatrated and worshipped as an Idoll ens rationis chymaera and noe reall thinge And this is one of his vnholy purchases by directinge Frauncys Mason in soe durtie a dawbinge woorke as his booke of pretended ordination is An other noe lesse prophane is this to demonstrate himselfe and all of his opinion before for the vnitie and generall accorde and agreement of all both english and other protestants in all essentiall substantiall and materiall points of Religion to bee prophane dissemblers seducers and men of noe Religion For in this soe essentiall and substantiall a question of a true and lawfull preisthood or ministery fundamentall or foundation in true worship they are soe diametrically and contradicto●ily d●●ided and separated that some of them considently and as matter of faith beleeue and teach they haue noe callinge or ordination but from a woman vtterly disabled eyther to haue or giue yt the rest as certainely affirme that which they pretend to haue is from Antichrist which likewise can neither giue nor haue yt soe that by noe possibilitie they can bee reconciled to haue any title to a true ministery and Religion Their onely way of Reconcilement in some parte but to their little comfort is this if they will agree that Queene Elizabeth was Antichrist But Concerning their pretended ordination it is aboundantly and demonstratiuely confuted out of their owne lawes writings and diuinitie in a particular booke of that subiect and for that cause I had here passed it ouer with silence had I not beene aduertised that being diners monethes synce readie for the presse it is fallen into their pretended Bishops hands that intend to suppresse it And therefore in the Authors name I request them truely and worde for worde to publish yt with the best answeare they can make vnto yt And his promise is to make noe further reply vnto them in that busines soe confident hee is his booke to bee vnansweareable and their cause vndefensible But for feare they will behaue themselues in this as to my greuous experience they haue verie often done in the like before I must add som●hat in this place And first I tell M. Frauncys Mason b. of Consecrat Mason his directors telling vs that Matthew Parker was consecrated by foure true Bishops or three and a Suffragane That no notorious and contradictory lyers are to bee beleeued in their owne cause especially of such moment But all or moste of the protestant Relators of this by their owne Testimonie are lyers Therefore not to bee beleeued The maior proposition is euidently true And the minor thus p●o●ed for first whereas I finde three relators of this pretended Consecration and Butler epdef of their mis●●on Su●cliff ag D. ●ell pag. 5. Parkers Register Doctor Butler D. Sutcliffe and directed M Mason The first saith that Ihon Suffragan of Do●er was one of these Consecrators D. Sutcliffe his wordes are thus Bishop Parker was consecrated hy imposition of hands of Bishop Barlowe Bishop Couerdale Bishop S●ory and twoe Suffragans of whome mention is made in the act of consecration yett to bee seene M. Mason Mason in ●ons Math. Park telleth there was but one Suff●agane there and hee was of Bedford Soe that in these three protestant cheife writers and allowed r●lators of this pretended consecration there bee thr●e diuers and quite repugnant narrations of which if not all three yett at the leaste twoe of necessitie are notorious lyes and corruptions and all of them cite Matthew

they were noe Bishops being of necessitie either made by a woman which they confesse could not doe yt or by the pretended Bishops of kinge Edwards makinge vtterly alsoe as before condemned by lawe and the Iudges themselues And yett of thes twoe ab●urdities that which was the worst and moste absurde to bee made by a woman vncapable must needs bee their case For the new Booke of cōsecr statu An. 3. Ed 6. ca 12. Stat. 1. Mar. Booke of Article● of Religion 1562 articul 36. Stat. An. 8. Elizab. c. 1. forme and fashion of making pretended Bishops and preists in the time of the child kinge Edward the sixt abolished by Queene Mary was neuer reuiued by the english protestants vntill their booke of Articles made in the fourth or fift yeare of Queene Elizabeth made in their conuocation consisting as before is euident onely of lay men without authoritie receaued yt and was neuer allowed by parlament vntill this in the eight yeare of Queene Elizabeth Soe that by noe possibilitie thes after Acts if they had beene powerable in religeous causes the contrary whereof is euident could make soe many yeares before pretended and vnlawfull Acts and consecrations now to bee true and lawfull Therefore thes pretended protestant Bishops and Ministers can by noe power by their owne proceedings bee lawfull wanting both true forme matter maner men ordering and the Acts and Cōc Floren. in ●niō will apud ●arkes p. 137. 180. Park ib. ●il● sur● p. ●2 mort pa 2 Apol. p. 340 l. 4 c. 18 Relat. ca. 47 ●eild p. 202. 218. functions themselues as is before proued and ●ppeareth by the councell of ●lorence which D. Wille● M. Parkes and others allow for generall which D. Bil●on D. Mo●ton their Relator of Religi●n and D. Feild assure vs hath supreame power and authoritie to commaund all whomsoeuer to obey the definitions thereof Neither need I appeale to generall councells though their graunt in this Question for by their owne parl●ments Articles common writings and publicke doctrine yt is more then euident that their pretended Bishops by whome their ministers and other pretended Bishops bee made bee noe more Bishops then their ordina●y ministers none at all noe more then all lay men bee noe more nor soe much as kinge Edward 6. a child Q. Elizabeth a woman and our present and euer of mee moste honored kinge Iames were or is by their proceedings which is thus made euident by their owne Religion Euery distinct order hath some really and essentially distinct Act and office to execute which others from which it is distinguished haue not nor can performe But the pretended callinge of protestant Bishops in England by their owne proceedings hath noe such really and essentially distinct Act or office Therefore by their ow●e Religion it is noe distinct order The m●ior proposition is euidently true for euery dist●●ct Order power facultie or habilitie spirituall or other is soe knowne and distinguished The minor proposition is thus proued by themselues For whereas our Pontificall and scholes ascribe to episcopall Order Pōtifical in Ord. Sacer. ep●schol insacr ord in 3. p. d. Th. c. Articles of Relig. Artie sacram c thes Acts to cōsecrate Christne giue twoe sacraments Orders and confirmation thes protestants by their publick Articles and practice both deny all thes and yett ascribe noe other peculiar Act or office to their pretended Bishops make ministers and confirme children I answeare they deny both them to bee Sacraments and soe hauing noe misticall consecration but being onely ceremonies may bee vsed by men noe Bishops and soe in all protestants Presbyteries pretended ministers allowed by them are made by onely ministers and where the ceremonie of confirmation is allowed by protestants out of England it is al soe ministred by onely ministers and if thes doe not giue grace effectually as they say it is not necessarie to appoinct a distinct order for their ministration Soe there is now nothing left for thes pretended Bishops but pretended iurisdiction but this is from the kinge that is Queene Elizabeth and kinge Edward 6. before supreame in this busines and soe by their Religion more truely and better Bishops then Ridley Parker Whiteguift or any of that pretended calling And as the pretended Commissioners Stat. Ed. 6. Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1. Foxe tom 2 in Ed. 6. Eliz. Holin supr c. of kinge Edward and Q. Elizabeth related by their Statutes Foxe Hollinshed others withall power from them to reforme Religion were in thes mens doctrine more worthie the name of Bishops then they which haue that name but want that office power Soe his maiestie in their Religion by his supreamacie inspirituall things may by his letters patents and commission not onely with kinge Edward and Q Elizabeth authorize his Foxe in Ed v. in B. Card Stowe Hollinsh Speed c. An. 1 Eliza in histor lay Councellors and mere temporall men to Iudge depriue and depose Bishops but to bee allowed for Bishops Archbishops and higher patriarkes without any consecration or other ceremony They which gaue this power to Q. Elizabeth and our Soueraigne were onely lay men and neither any of them in particul●r or all in generall equall vnto him that is supreame Therefore it is his power by their doctrine at his pleasure without any ministers concurrence or consent to take order and neuer more neede then when their Religion is become a mockery of all true Religion in thes affaires and to make any the meanest subiect without any im●osing of handes speaking or prayer ouer him or other complement in such busines greater in callinge and dignitie then hee that beareth the name Archbishop primate of all England amonge them But the present soe named Archbishop of Obiect Canterbury director of M. Mason and his directed scholler perhaps will say that allthough D. Sutcliffe and too many others to bee cited and the said soe called Archbishop himselfe in and at other places and times for their adnantage and to serue their turne doe teach affirme as a matter of faith that the Pope is Antichrist noe true Bishop preist or maker of such yett in this their worke asscribed to M. Mason they confesse the contrary and therein they affirme that one of their pretended Consecrators Barlowe was a true Bishop and made by Romane or true catholick Consecration in the time of kinge Henry 8. And soe in time of necessitie such as their begynning was might make a Bishop Alas I cannot tell how to make Answ answeare to this obiection or rather petition not for any difficultie conteyned in yt But for feare of offence in speaking truth and giuinge the lye to soe many protestant Bishops and Doctors before soe confidently telling vs they doe not differ in any essentiall or materiall point of Religion such as this is But put into this perplexitie I must vse this Dilemma if their first opinion That the Pope is Antichrist and cannot

as before is manifest and soe of others The same is confirmed to bee alsoe agreable to the behauiour of their doctors in this time of whome the same protestant Ormer pict purit l. 1. author writeth in this order They will make as solemne protestations as any men can doe and by oathe deny that vvhich they doe you shall neuer finde vvith any high land or border theeues more lyes and vile periuries then vvith these though they protest and by oathe denie yett s●ortely after vvee shall see it come to passe The protestant author of the booke intituled offer of Offer of Cōfer pa. 9 Conference writeth of the parlamentarie protestants shewing therein the reasons of their notorious lying and dissemblinge in Religion in these words some standinge vppon these points of difference not for conscience but for carnall respects some because othervvise they knovve not hovv to bee mayntayned but by depending vppon that faction some to gratifie their benefactors and patrons and to please their frends some for discontentment vvant of preferment some for giddines of innouation some for pride of hart and selfe loue some for hatred of order and restraint of their libertie some for ignorance some to retayne the opinion of constancie And to shewe that by their owne iudgment this prophane hipocrisie dissimulation c is generall in their Religion Couell exā pag. 179. Parkes Apol praef D Couell writeth in this maner Atheisme and hipocrisie is in all states in this kingdome M. Parkes hath this Censure heresie and infidelitie ioyne and labour to subuert all grounds of Christian Religion Their late protestant Bishop D. Babington in the publicke Conference at Hampton Conference pag. 14. 15. Co●rt sheweth how in the begynning protestancie was approued in their parlament by ambiguous and indirect dealing of the composers of their communion booke and citeth the Archbishop of yorke to that purpose What dealinge was vsed therein may appeare alsoe by soe generall a dislike of protestants against it as is befor proued whervpon D Couell writeth thus The first english Ministers soe farr dissented Couell exā pag. 71. that some bookes and the greatest part of Christendome was filled with the ●rreuerent vnholy and vnnaturall Contentions of that time Their behauiour in other Contryes was not vnlike onely I will exemplifie in Scotland of which his maiestie in the Conference at Hampton Court relateth thus M. Knoxe Writes to the Queene Regent K speache in Cofe pa. 80. 81. 82. of whome without slattery I may say shee vvas a vertuous and moderate lady telling her that ●hee vvas supreame heade of the church But hovv longe trovve yee did this continue euen soe longe till by her authoritie the popish Bishops were repressed Hee himselfe and his adherents were brought in and well setled and by these meanes made stronge enough Then loe they began to make small account of her Supreamacie nor would longer rest vpon her authoritie but tooke the cau●e into their ovvne hands Hovv they vsed that pore lady my Mother is not vnknowne vvhoe did desire onely a priuate Chappell vvherein to serue God after her maner vvith some fevv selected parsons but her supreamacie vvas not sufficient to obtaine yt at their hands And concerning the same Question of princes supreamacie in England soe enacted by their parlaments to sett them in possession yett that now at this present neither parlamentarie nor puritane protestant in their writings allowe yt but clayme it to themselues I will proue by themselues hereafter And the reason of this their proceedings procedeth from the state of their desolate cause for in the beginninge of this their protestant Religion hauing noe other meanes to giue Colour to a new pretended Ministery then by the temporall princes supreamacie and power in spirituall things all true religeous preeminencie iurisdiction and authoritie being abandoned forth of this nation by their parlaments edicts against the Apostolicke see of Rome and Christs c●tholicke church they were content against the example of all their pretended reformed churches because they could not settle yt themselues for that present to allowe yt to the temporall Prince But now settled in possession they pretend a Consecration againe from Rome which they had thus renownced before say Confer sup Barl. Serm. sup Cert considerat An. 1605. pag. 46. they are diuinae ordinationis by the ordinance of God where vppon the protestant Author of certaine Considerations doth argue and consider thus if the english protestants opinion bee mayntayned that Bishops iurisdiction is de Iure diuini by the lawe of God his maiestie and all the nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication pag. 54. sup And againe in these wordes protestant Bishops themselues doe not attribute any more spirituall authotitie vnto the kinge to make constitute and ordeyne Canons Constitutions Rites or Ceremonies then they giue vnto him spirituall po●er to preache the worde administer the sacram●ntt and excommunicate Which as is euident is none at all And yett at this present to omitt others those protestant Bishops of this kingdome which moste sway and not onely in spiri●uall things are knowne to bee both by their education and writings of that protestant sect and opinion which before hath told vs that their Bishops and soe consequently themselues are vnlawfull against Gods Worde hell houndes naturall sonnes of sathan false bastardly gouernors enemyes to God to the kinge and to his people euen in their very callinges and offices How these men haue behaued themselues in the Questions betweene Catholicks and them may appeare sufficiently in the first and second generall demonstration where not onely they generall groundes of diuinitie but all particular cheife controuersies of this time are demonstratiuely proued against them by their owne writings published printed or allowed with●n the first sixe yeares of his maiesties ●aigne how the puritane protestants haue delt with their Bishops partely appeareth before how their Bishops walke towards them and one to an other is euident in that either condemneth other to bee Scismaticks hereticks in●●dolls Offer of Cōfer pag. 9. damned c. The protestant offer of Confer●nce writeth thus It is notorious vnto all the ●orlde what indignities slaunders false accusations and calumniations the prelates and their ad●erents in their priuate speaches publicke sermons and writings lay vppon the ministers I will cite one example moste conceruinge them bothe Cōferēce at H●mpt Cou●t by D. ●arlo●e 3. other Copies printed by Wind. 〈◊〉 ●●fer pag. 28 29 their Conference at Hampton Court before the kinge and Lords Their protestant Bishop of Lincolne D. Barlowe relateth it wholly for their Bishops Three other Copyes printed by Ihon Winde● and diuers others relate yt for the puritanes Besides the testimonie of their Bishop D. Montague thus cited by the protetestant offer of Conference It ●● more then apparant that they haue fraudul●ntly cut of and concealed all the speaches which were many t●at his maiestie vttered against the