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A15134 An examination of M. Doctor VVhytgiftes censures, contained in tvvo tables, sett before his booke, entituled The defence of the aunswer to the admonition, &c.; Examination of M. Doctor Whytgiftes censures, contained in two tables, sett before his booke, entituled The defence of the aunswer to the admonition, &c. Fulke, William, 1538-1589, attributed name. 1575 (1575) STC 25433; ESTC S119896 42,859 56

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