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A00685 Ane answer to ane epistle written by Renat Benedict the Frenche doctor, profesor of Gods worde (as the translator of this epistle calleth him) to Iohn Knox, and the rest of his brethren ministers of the word of God: made by Dauid Feargussone minister of the same word at this present in Dumfermling. Fergusson, David, d. 1598.; Benoit, René, 1521-1608.; Winzet, Ninian, 1518-1592. 1563 (1563) STC 10819; ESTC S117552 36,974 88

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aliquam facere quia in his que vult ei est pro ratione voluntas nec est qu●… e●… dicat cut ita facis ipse enim potest supra ●…us dispensare et de iniusti●…a facere iusticiam corrigendo iur●… et mutando nam pleitudinem obtinet potestatis ●…hese wordes are written in the firste boke of that ●…laiphemoꝰ wolome gather ed by one Raymond and called the decre talis of Gregorie the 9. in the 7. tytle and 〈◊〉 chapiter there o●… the tytle is called De translatione Episcopi the chapiter begin 〈◊〉 ▪ with this word Quanto These wor ●…es I did find in deid in many notable writers that writeth against your Pope but because I delyte not to make report much les to commit to writ any thing by here say and also that firste when I red them it appeared an incredible mat●…r to me that euer the Deuill culd so far ●…ind any man that he wold break furthe in this plaine blasphemie so grossie that all men may perceaue it I therefore deserred the writing of them vntill I did find out these same decretales wherein I 〈◊〉 these wordes before writtē and there●… toke boldnes to affirme that whiche I ●…d se and reid the inglish wherof is this 〈◊〉 neir as I could translate it It is said that the Pope hath a heauenly iudgemēt 〈◊〉 therefore changeth the natur of things applying the substance of one thing to an other and of nothing he can make something ād of the sentēce which w●…s noght ●…he can make it somewhat worth for in ●…ose things that he list his wil standeth ●…r reasone nether is there any man that ●…ay say vnto him why doeth thou so 〈◊〉 he may dispence with the Law and of ●…ustice may make iustice in amending 〈◊〉 changing the Lawes for he hath gotten the fulnes of power which of you ●…re so shameles as to stand in the defence ●…f these wordes or rather who seeth not ●…hat this is that same mouthe that the ●…rophet Daniel affirmeth should speak presumptions things this is the plesand doctrine that procedeth from this monster whose beginnig ye haue hard whose incres and grouth to the hight I coulde declare out of their own Histories if it were not tedious whereout of ye might easylie perceaue how fals●…ie antiquitie by them is applyed to their new forged reti gion in the deap dongeon of Sathans workehous and practised by them his members and Luftennēts hear in earth But when they find in our Congregations that thing vsed which Gods worde hath not taught vs then boldlie accuse vs of noualtie and vnto that tyme best it is to hold their peace list they be found ini●…st accusers As to the Doctors I nether contemp them nor yet do I builde my faith vpon them because they were but men and in their writinges many thinges a●…is to be found as Augustine indeid the verie best of them in my iudge ment testifieth in diuers places chiefly in his retractations in these wordes ●…re non possum nec deb●…o 〈◊〉 ●…ut in ipsis inato●…s 〈◊〉 ita multa esse in tam multis opus●…lis meis que posiunt iusto iudic●…o et nulla te meritate culpare Beholde freinde that Augustine doeth not deny that there be many thinges in his volonies that may by iust iudgement and without all temerite be found faut with Fynally because of all that hitherto ye haue written and I haue answered ye haue inferred no ●…rufe of Scripture but naked wordes of ●…our owne In this case I say with 〈◊〉 ●…uod de Scripturis nō habet auctor●… ●…adem facilitate contempn●…tur qua probatur That is to say that thing which hath not his authoritie out of the Scriptures als easylie as it is prouen als easylie may it be reiected Renats Epistle the Second Section THis a lytle I besech you take head and enter in your selues by dilegent reasoning putting away all mist of affection from you say I require you by ●…e mercy of God and Christ Iesus loue ●…owardes vs all where is it red in the holy write ather in old Testament or new that the masse that is the conswete Sacrifice of holy ●…irk is abhomination or any thing soūding to Idolatrie where or in an of so many Counsels holden in the Kirk of God where in any learned or tryed authorities Loke neuer treuly alledge the place it ye can which verilie neuer an of you could euer yet do I me●… uel therefore why ye affirme that doctrine with so great clamor with suche ardence as it is beleued yea with so great laboures to the perrell of so many Christiane soules and to your own I feare perdition contempning the prudent authoritie of all good and learned men which doctrine hath no certane probatiō except that ye wold think your owne expolition of the Scripture that repugneth manifestlie to all cūning mens yneugh for to conferme a new doctrine of Faith and Religion D. Feargussones answer ALl mist of affection set asyde ye require vs by the mercy of God and Christ Iesus loue towardes vs all to shew you where the masse is called abhominatione or Idolatrie in the old Testament or new whereunto we answer that when ye find this worde masse ather in the old or new Testament then shal we proue it to be Idolatrie This might serue you right wel for an answer 〈◊〉 should be also vnto you such a desyre 〈◊〉 am assured ye were neuer able to ac ●…plish But in the meane tyme vntill ●…d it list this might apeare rather to 〈◊〉 ●…hift nor an answer we say and 〈◊〉 affirme that wheresoeuer the ●…ture or the thing that is made is ●…shipped in the place of the Creator ●…maker of all that there is Idolatrie ●…mitted contrary to the cōmandiment ●…od who hath said thou shal worship ●…ord thy God hi onely shalt thow 〈◊〉 But in the masse there is worship●…read and wine corruptible Creatu●… the place of God the Father and ●…te his Sonne as ye can not deny ●…refore it followeth that the masse is ●…latrie this argument which I haue ●…f Gods worde als well old Testa●…s new whē ye haue refelled which ●…e ad grecas calendas then shall ye 〈◊〉 others Ye call your abhominable ●…e the conswete or wonted Sacrifice ●…oly Church the wonted Sacrifice of ●…r Malignant Synagoge of Sathan ●…onfesse it to haue bene euer since the ●…es of your Pope Agattho the firste whose orator Iohn the Bishop of Portu ens to haue bene the first that euer song or said a latine masse Platina the Popes own Gnato in his book ●…e vi●… Pontificum affirmeth in these wordes the Counsel being ended this wes the 6. general Consel holden in the year of God 681. that thankes might be giuen vnto God that of the two Churches had made one meaning the Greak and the Latine Church the octane of Pashe Iohn the Bishop of Portuens in the presence of
breath without respiratiō broght furthe these profound mysteries euerie soule preist knoweth not but onely the great Rabbines All that were present with Christ were pertakers of the Sacra ment and no mā is pertaker with them for they deuore all alone But some of thē wil say we debar no mā if any wold take part the contrarie is trew it wes neuer sene that euer a preist wold parte with a quarter of his God to another preist no not with a lyck of his dishe and that is les this I say they neuer did to their own brethrē of craft muche les to a laye man as they did call them I neuer knew any thing that euer they might or did forbeare to any man at that dosoned disione except it were a kisse of the Patene that onely to him that lifted their taile or els to some gentilmē that sat by whom they wold gratifie If temporal men had bene als euil fellowes of their carnal brekfasts as ye were of your fantasticall Feastes some of you had not worne so fat neckes as ye did Christ gaue vnto his Apostles the frute of the wine tre without any mixture but your masse is not ryghtly said except there be commixtion of water and wine togither In the Lordes Supper bothe trew bread and trew wine is ministrat to the communicants in the masse the papist affirmeth that there remaneth nether bread nor wine after their Incan tation but accidents as whytnes roūdnes and color c. when the Lord Iesus had finished his ministration the Euangelist sayeth They praysed God with a Hymne or Psalme of thankesgeuing Bot when masse is done there is nothing bot ●…te ●…issa est ather said or sung whereunto is added a latine blissing with the aers of an emptie cup. Now loke what ye think of your masse for in my answer to the second Section of your Epistle I haue prouen it to be abhominable Idolatrie because that bread and wine corruptable Creatures are in it worshipped in place of God the Father and Christ his Sōne that it spoyleth Christ of his Preisthead so of his Sacrifice ī that ye that offer it vsurpeth his office vpon you I haue pro ●…ē also The wicked opiniō of it to wit that it is Satisfactorie for sinnes in this argument also is included and that the whole action of it in all pointes dissagreeth with the institutiō of the Lordes S●… per the conferring of the one action with the other aboue written sufficientlie proueth wherefore we iudge that your papistical inuention the Idolatrous Sacri fice of the masse is to be reiected and abhorred of al trew worshippers of God as that that is co●…nelious and blasphemous to God the Father and Derogatiō to the honor and dignitie of the Lord Iesus his Sonne This is it that we think of your masse and this doctrine we teach to the people out of the infallible word of God that indureth for euer nether haue we respect to Doctors cōsuetude or bare name of the Churche acknowledging onely that to be the trew Church in deid which rendereth humble obedience vnto her housband Christe Iesus This letter ye say wes written in the Quenes maiesties palaice at Edinburgh I am the more sorie in deid that suche as ye are hath any interteniment in the palaices of Princes but it is no new thing to se fals Prophetes more familiar in the Court thē the trew sernādes of God Amazias the Idolatrous preist of Bethel wes in greater estimation with Ieroboā King of Israel then wes Amos the trew prophet of God as the Imperious braging of that Idolater witnesseth O thou Scar sayeth Amazias go fle thou ●…way into the land of Iuda and there eat thy bread and prophecie there but prophecie no more at Bethel for it is the Kinges Chappell and the Kinges Court. Iesabels Idolatrous preistes were better bele ned of A●…hab King of Israel althogh they prophecieth lies to his distruction then the Prophet of God Micheas that tolde him the treuth to his Saluation God of his great mercy purge the hart of our natiue Princesse frō al leauen Papistical and plant in place thereof his ●…rew feare ād loue to his eternal veritie Ye desyre vs to prent into our myndes that in the latter dayes the continual and daylie Sacrifice shalbe taken away vnderstand ye this of your masse if ye do thē certanely Master Doctor your Theologie is not onely rude but also repugnant to the mynd of the Prophet in this place if ye mean of that sentēce that Daniel rehearseth in the end of his 12. last Ca. as I thīk ye do for I know no place where this sentence that ye haue throwē for your purpose is written but in that place if ye mean of that sentence I trust the Readers shal easylie perceaue bothe your ignorance if of ignorance ye haue inferred it and otherwayes your malice in throwing of this Text. Daniel as he him self confesseth in the beginnīg of his 9. Chapiter vnderstude by bokes name ly of Ieremies Prophecie that the Lord had appointed his people to indure banishmēt out of their own cūtrie to abyd captiues in Babilō 70. yeares which yeares drawing neir an end Daniel as an cairful for his people their returning ho me euerted hī self vnto God by ardent earnest prayer desyring him not to differ the tyme of their deliuerance any longer but for his owne names ●…aike althogh they were not worthy to restore them to their libertie whil he wes yet speaking praying and cōfessing his own sinne and the sinnes of his people vnto God The Angel of the Lorde is sent vnto him to otter vnto him the yeares determinat of their captiuitie their returninge home the reedifying of the citie the cōming of Christ his slaughter and destruction of the citie Ierusalem By a vision is declared vnto him in the 10. Chap. the cause of ●…he hinderante or defferring of their deli●…rance whiche come by the meanes of ●…ambises Prence of Persia. The king●…omes of the earth ād Monarches with their Kings as of Persia Grecia Egypt Syria and the Romans one striuinge with an other and all against God are ●…t lenth wonderfull mystically recited in ●…he 11. Chap. Fynally in the 12. Chap. is ●…eclared how the Church being euē scattered and dispersed shalbe deliuered by Christes death which should abolishe the ●…aylie Sacrifice whiche being done he Prophecies that the temple and the citie ●…atbe distroyed by the abhominable de●…ation which is the Hoste of the Romans mysticallie also signifeing By the thousand two hūdreth and nynety dayes and by the thousand thre hundreth fyue and threttie dayes the tyme from the deuastation of Ierusalem to Christes secōd cōming in the Cloudes the Prophet also in the mean tyme is certified that althogh he depart out of this lyfe yet shal he stād vp at the end of the dayes in the