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A36251 Reflexions on a pamphlet entitled, Remarks on the occasional paper, numb. VIII relating to the controversy betwixt Dr. Hody and Mr. Dodwell and on another entitl'd A defence of the vindication of the depriv'd bishops, some time since seiz'd and suppress'd by the Government, and now reprinted : with an answer to a third call'd historical collections concerning church affairs. Dodwell, Henry, 1641-1711.; Hody, Humphrey, 1659-1707. 1698 (1698) Wing D1816; ESTC R9160 29,610 34

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placed the last of all and after Gregory who stands in his proper place because he was a Patriarch only de jure and not in Possession And here I shall transcribe those words which Dr. Hody observes of the Learned Annotator on P. Gregory's Epistles Non satis hoc advertere videntur qui ad summos juris apices de re qualibet decernentes Schismatibus contentionibus viam parant zelo PRAECIPITI NEC SATIS CAUTO The Doctor 's History adds that when St. Martin Bishop of Rome was violently Depos'd by the Emp. Constance because of his adherence to the Orthodox Faith his Successor Eugenius was receiv'd by all as a true Pope And tho' he was put into the place of one so Depos'd and who never had given up his Right yet he 's honour'd by the Church as a Saint A Saint is Depos'd and a Saint accepts of his place And so far was that holy Man St. Martin from thinking it unlawful for his Clergy and People to submit to another Bishop that when he heard that there was another constituted in his Room he offer'd up to God his prayers both for Him and his People that their hearts might be established in the Orthodox Faith To these he adds many more Examples of the following Ages to shew that this was universally the Practice of the Catholick Church He shews how great and how worthy a Person the Patriarch Photius was who accepted of Ignatius's See whom the Emp. Michael had unjustly Depos'd And observes that the Metropolitans of the Province of CP tho' they own'd that Ignatius was unjustly depriv'd and had still a great honour for him and desired he might be restor'd yet because the Emperor would not suffer it to be done they peaceably yielded to Necessity and submitted to the present Possessor Such as these are those Sacred Instances with which Dr Hody has oblig'd us He has also shewn us that the same was the practice of the Antient Church whensoever any Bishop was unjustly Depriv'd by an Uncanonical or Heretical Synod if their Sentence was enforced by an uncontroulable Authority of the Secular Power By this time you see what those some Men are who to get or keep their Preferments were guilty of such Compliances Let us hear now what is said by a very great Prelate of our Church concerning this History of the Drs and the Instances he has given Dr Hody says he has fully ended the Argument that he had begun from the Practice of the Church and that in so convincing a Manner that matter of Fact seem'd not capable of a clearer proof But the not answering his Book is now excus'd upon this pretence Because he had promised another Treatise Of the Power of the Magistrate in such Cases which he has not thought necessary to enter upon till he sees what is said to his Book in which he has ●ully concluded the Argument upon which the Dispute fi●st began And the not publishing this is made an excuse for their not answering the other We know the true Reason why it is not answered is because it cannot be answered M●n may wrangle on eternally in Points of Speculation but Matters of Fact are severe things and do not admit of all that Sophistry ' In another place says the same great Man We challenge them to shew us where ever a Schism was formed upon the Lay-Deprivation of a Bishop even when the grounds that it proceeded on were visibly unjust if the Faith of the Church was not pretended to be concerned in the Matter The Intruders into the High-Priesthood under the Iewish Dispensation and the many Instances in Church-History that Dr. Hody has cleared beyond a possibility of denying the Matter of Fact are so express and full on our side that their avoiding to answer them is plainly a giving up the Cause Their leaving the general Argument from the constant and uninterrupted Practice of the Church and betaking themselves to the Methods of Slander and Defamation is such an evident indication of a bad Cause and of a worse Management that it is not possible but that the generality of indifferent Men will soon discern how weak their Reasons and how strong their Passions are They have in all their other Writings built too much on the Authority and Practice of the Church to be able with any shame to reject this Argument and to say that they ought to be govern'd by Rules and not by Examples We must here take our leave of the Remarker and return again to the Learned Mr. Dodwel It is certain that these Words of the Bishop of Sarum and the challenge he gives them to Answer Dr. Hody's Book was that which awakened him and put him upon publishing those Papers which were casually seized and are now Reprinted It was necessary they saw that something should be published that at least might be called an Answer and they knew that that Name alone would do at least some good since the greatest part of Men look no deeper than the Title The challenge is to Answer the History and yet not a word in Mr. Dodwel's Answer concerning those Instances of the Practice of the Church which the Dr. principally insists on As I have already said he does not so much as pretend to Answer it And what is this avoiding to Answer it after such a challenge from so great a Man but more plainly a giving up the Cause Mr. Dodwel's Talent is History And if a Man of his Learning and Diligence is forced to give up the Cause as it plainly appears that he is we know not from whom to expect it As St. Austin says of St. Ierome Quod Hieronymus nescivit nullus mortalium unquam scivit so say I of the worthy Mr. Dodwel What he cannot do in a matter of History and after so long a time it is now somewhat more than five Years since The Case of Sees Vacant was published the rest of the Party tho' they are some of them Men of great Abilities and Learning will not think it a disparagement to themselves if we conclude it cannot be done I cannot but take notice that He is so far from undertaking to Answer the Dr's History that he presumes to tell the World that the Dr himself does not look upon those Instances which he has produced to be of any considerable Authority that the Dr. himself does not value ' em What The Dr himself not value the Instances which he has produced This must needs have been great News to him Lest you should suspect I might possibly mistake Mr. Dodwel's meaning I shall give you here his own words The Dr. says he professes beforehand his own unwillingness to be concluded by such Instances as himself has produced tho' they should appear to be against him Why so if there had been any reason that he should have been concluded by them Why so if he did not thereby own that the Reasons given by the Vindicator against the Argumentativeness
REFLEXIONS ON A PAMPHLET ENTITLED Remarks on the Occasional Paper Numb VIII Relating to the CONTROVERSY BETWIXT Dr. HODY and Mr. DODWELL And on another Entitl'd A Defence of the Vindication of the Depriv'd Bishops Some time since seiz'd and suppress'd by the Government and now Reprinted With an Answer to a Third call'd Historical Collections concerning Church Affairs LONDON Printed by T. Snowden for Iohn Everingham at the Star in Ludgate-street 1698. SIR THO' I do not at all know who are the Authors of the Occasional Papers yet I think so well both of the Performance and of the Prudence and Seasonableness of the Design as to be highly pleased to find 'em so acceptable to you Since I sent you the last which was Numb VIII there is come out a small Pamphlet called Remarks upon it in a Letter to the Author Which I here send you not for any thing considerable that I see in it but to gratifie your Curiosity There are a few things in it which I think sit to take a little notice of And the first is his blaming the Author of that Paper for charging the Vindicator of the deprived Bishops a little severely on the account of his Notions and Practice The Remarker tells ye that what the Vindicator has said and writ in defence of the Rights of the Clergy might one would have thought have secur'd him from the Pen of a Clergy-man The Temper of the Laity in this Age and Nation is such that few of 'em appear very forward to defend even the just Privileges of the Clergy and therefore when a Lay-man will write on their behalf they ought to be so true to their own Interests as at least to stand Neuters the mean while If the Learned Vindicator has writ any thing in defence of the Rights of the Church and the Just Privileges of the Clergy we own our selves much obliged to him But the Question is what are their Rights and what their Iust Privileges Did I see one of the best of my Friends endeavour to Rob another on my account I am a Knove if I stand Neuter and a greater if I side with him to deprive another of what is rightfully his I am oblig'd in Conscience and Equity to take his part whom my Friend would Wrong tho' it were for my own Profit It is no less honourable in a Clergy-man and no less his Duty to vindicate the Rights of the Laity when others would invade them than it is in a Lay-man to vindicate the Rights of the Clergy in opposition to Secular Usurpations And as it his Duty in the Point of Iustice and Honesty so it is also in the Point of Wisdom and Prudence For to grasp at more than one can well hold what is that but the ready way to lose what one has I must here observe how little the Clergy are oblig'd to Mr. Dodwell for promoting this as one of their Rights and Iust Privileges That for the sake of a Depriv'd Bishop they ought to bring a Persecution upon the Church go a begging themselves and ruine their whole Families This is one of Mr. Dodwell's very great Obligations and the chief of all those which with so much Kindness and Zeal he endeavours to lay upon us If it be one of the Rights of the Church that a Bishop ought not on any account to be Depriv'd by the Secular Power which I take to be utterly untrue Mr D. were he truly our Friend would allow us also this Privilege That whenever a Bishop is once so Depriv'd and we cannot avoid it we may peaceably submit to his Successor to secure our selves from that Ruin which must otherwise fall upon us and the Church from such a Concussion as would probably dissolve the whole Frame If he is not pleased to grant and to defend this Right of the Church and Iust Privilege of the Clergy I must freely profess my Opinion of his Services We have very little reason to thank him One notable piece of Service which the Learned Mr. D. has generously done both the Clergy and the Church I cannot here in Justice pass by and that his bestowing so sublime and worthy a Character upon our first Reformers and Martyrs particularly upon Arch Bishop Cranmer in his Preface to that Book which was sometimes since seized and suppressed by the Government A sort of Service which the greatest Enemies of our Church and Reformation will thank him heartily for Mr. Dodwell and Mr. Sanders will hereafter have the honour to stand both together as Witnesses against the Reformers and Martyrs of the Church of England I desire it may be Recorded and forever Remembred That as one was an open Enemy so the other when he wrote those black Declamations was no Member of our Church but was actually engag'd in a Schism against it What Thanks or Respect can that Man deserve from the Church who professing himself one of its Members does not study to maintain the Peace of it but only to advance his own Notions and prefers his Fondling Opinions to its Welfare and Tranquillity and endeavours to fix a black Character on its worthy Reformers and Martyrs The mention I made of a Book of Mr. Dodwell's which was seiz'd and suppress'd by the Government brings me to consider another Paragraph of the Remarks which wants a short Comment and ought to be set in a True Light I don 't at all doubt says the Remarker but that the Government had good Reasons to seize and suppress the Pamphlet you mention There were possibly some things in it which the Person by whose order it was suppressed did not think convenient should be expos'd to Publick view But yet since there was a Promise from one engag'd in the Controversie That he would secure whatever should be printed in that kind and since after it was seiz'd and before it was suppress'd there were offers made of striking out whatever was offensive and printing those Sheets over again it seems something hard it should after all be condemn'd to the Lining Trunks and Paper Boxes I confess I should scarce have understood this Paragraph if it had not been explained by another Book of the Party call'd Historical Collections concerning Church Affairs In the Preface of which there are these Words Why may we not suspect that these Papers will be seiz'd as well as the Learned Vindicators Answer was t'other day though Dr. Hody had dared him to make a Reply and promis'd him the Liberty of the Press in an unhandsom Letter which he sent him about August last and it was the only stroke in it which savoured of Decency and goods Manners I am apt to think that so great a Rudeness has not been offer'd to so Learned a Man before And if the Dr. does not make amends to his Reputation by finding some ways that the Sheets may be restored or by publickly declaring that it is not in his power to have it done he must his best Friends being
Iudges leave it in a very low and forlorn condition 'T is you see on Dr. Hody that this Charge chiefly falls and this is that which determin'd me to trouble you with these Reflections I shall give you Sir a full account of this matter as I have had it from several who are intimately acquainted with the Dr. and to whom he has frequently related it with the most serious and solemn Protestations In their Conversation in the University when Mr. D. excus'd his not Answering the Case of Sees Vacant upon pretence that it was difficult to print the Dr. told him that if he would take care to leave out all manner of Reflections which might offend the Government he himself would assist him to the utmost of his power in the publishing of it This he still protests he would readily have done And he thought at that time that it lay in his power to obtain a Connivance for it Two years and half after The Case of Sees vacant was published there came out a Pamphlet Entitl'd Discourses upon Dr. Burnet and Dr. Tillotson in which Dr. Hody is earnestly desired to reserve his Vindication of the Authority of the Civil Power in depriving a Bishop no longer that the most Learned and Pious Vindicator of the depriv'd Bishops who had long expected it might return an Answer both to that and the Case of Sees Vacant 'T was a great surprize to the Dr. to find after so long a time such a Reason as that given for Mr. Dodwel's not Answering his Book remembring very well that in all the Conversation which he had formerly had with him he never pretended that Reason but the difficulty of Printing and having often told him that he did not design to publish his Second Book till he saw some Answer to the First This was the occasion of his writing that unhandsome Letter to Mr. D. which the Collector speaks of the design of which he wholly mistakes He blam'd Mr. D. for pretending such a Reason and that he might not pretend to it any longer he gave him a fresh Assurance that till he had seen some Answer to his First Book he was resolved not to publish his Second About half a Year after this upon the Discovery of the intended Assassination and Invasion there being a search made for Conspirators and Declarations and the like the Sheets of Mr. Dodwel's Book fell accidentally into the Messengers hands So far were the Governours either of the Church or State from ordering them to be seized or the Dr. from contriving or desiring it that neither one nor the other knew any thing at all of their being in the Press Tho' Mr. D. has been pleas'd to report that it was by the Dr's means and procurement that his Book was seized Three days after the seizure of it the Dr. receiv'd a Letter from an unknown Person and without a Name concerning it and this was the first notice he had that there was any such in the World He was desired in the Letter to make use of his Interest to have the Sheets restored and immediately he applied himself to such in whose power he thought it might be to obtain a Retrieve for them But the Answer was That it could not be done because the Book was written against an Act of Parliament And to restore it when once seiz'd would be in effect to License it After he had procured a Copy and had perus'd it tho' he met with certain Strictures that discovered some Rancour of Spirit and prov'd the Writer to be a little too much under the power of Gall and Spite yet they made no Impression and a second time he signified his desire to have the Sheets remitted But the Reason being such his desire could not be granted Which he took all occasions to let the Party know by acquainting many with it This Sir is a true and full account of the matter And by this time you are able to judge which of the two has acted generously and Fairly Dr. Hody in endeavouring to Retrieve his Adversaries Book or Mr. Dodwel in wrongfully accusing him I cannot but here tell you that I have had my self a sight of this Book of Mr. Dodwels And upon the perusal of it I assure you I think it very much for that worthy Gentlemans Reputation that his Book was so seiz'd and not permitted to come abroad You fancy now that there was something very considerable in it had you seen it you would have been convinced that the Learned Mr. D. is in this Dispute very far from being a formidable Adversary and far from giving a just Answer to the Dr's Treatise I hope they will be pleas'd to Reprint it if they cannot at last Retrieve it I am sure this is what the Dr. himself heartily wishes 'T is the Learned Mr. D. that of all the Men of this Age has lain under the Misfortune of writing a whole Book and mistaking the Question As it plainly appears he did when he wrote his Vindication against the Barocian M.S. Though in his suppressed Treatise he a little mends the Mutter yet even in that too he frequently falls back into the very same Error How unhappy he is in his Reasoning is more than enough evident from that strange and surprizing lustance which the Dr. takes notice of in pag. 14. of The Case of Sees Vacant He pretends to justifie the present separation from our being Hereticks and yet makes us Hereticks for this very Reason because they separate from us A more Illogical and Unweighed thing never dropt from the Pen of any Learned Writer You do not at all doubt but that in his suppressed Treatise he offers at some Excuse or at least confesses his Frailty No No such matter He takes no notice of it but wisely passes that by as he does other things of the same kind You do not at all doubt but that he has endeavoured to defend himself in those several Points of History for which the Dr. has impleaded him as if he had thought fit but to step a fost or two out of his way he might have shewn him to be guilty of a great many Errors more No such thing as that neither I assure you All these he passes by as indefensible without taking the least notice of them All this I could have forgiven him had I found in his Book any Answer to that which makes up the main part of the Dr's Treatise The History of the Churches behaviour in such a Case as ours is No this too he perfectly gives up and does not so much as pretend to answer it Instead of all this he is wholly taken up in disputing against a part of the Doctors first Chapter and in laying down certain Conjectures videtur upon videtur as you know his Way is concerning Solomon and Abiath●r which signifie nothing I would not be thought from what I have said to Insult and Triumph over that worthy Persons Failings and Infirmities He that wisely
Church that Bishops may be depriv'd by the Lay-power for Political Crimes or not we are not obliged to know 'T is enough for us that we know that this at least was the Doctrine of the Church and we know it from it's constant and uniform Practice throughout all Ages That when once they are depriv'd tho' never so unjustly and we cannot avoid it it is lawful for peace-sake to own the Possessor Dr Hody may publish if he please his Vindication of the Authority of the Civil Power for the sake and satisfaction of those who concur'd in the Deprivation of the Bishops But we of the lower Form who were not at all concern'd in the matter we want no such Treatise to justifie our Practice Our Practice is sufficiently justified by what he has already written I will read it if it comes out as a matter of Speculation If it can have any influence on my Practice it will be only to vindicate those by whom the Bishops were depriv'd against the Ragingness of such as discharge their Choler in so liberal a manner against them which always turns back on themselves I ought not here to omit that that Book which I mentioned above called Historical Collections c. was design'd as a part of an Answer to The Case of Sees Vacant It s business is to shew that the Catholicks of the fourth Age who refused to Communicate with Felix Bishop of Rome who was put into the place of Liberius and with Gregory and George of Alexandria who were substituted in the place of St. Athanasius and with Meletius of Antioch who succeeded Eustathius did not refuse to acknowledge them on the account of Heresie but because their Predecessors had been Unjustly and Vncanonically thrust out And how is this prov'd Why they tell us that the Catholicks of that Age did not look upon the Eusebians as Hereticks but continued to Communicate with them till after the Deprivation of St Athanasius c. and therefore when after that they refused to Communicate with them it must be upon the account of the Uncanonical Deprivations and Successions I shall not wander after the foul-mouth'd and raving Collector in his long wild Maze of Impertinencies but shall give a full Answer to the whole in half as many Words as he has trifled away Pages The Eusebians of that Age who are commonly called Semi-arians were by some of the Orthodox accounted more tollerable by others downright Arians and Hereticks though they sometimes pretended to imbrace the Nicene Faith Sometimes the same Catholicks entertained a favourable Opinion of them at other times according as their Heresie shewed it self more visibly in their Practice they declined their Communion This was generally the case after the Persecution and Expulsion of St Athanasius 1. Athanasius himself calls the Eusebians his Persecutors every where Arians and Hereticks So does the Synodical Epistle of the Bishops of Egypt Lybia and Pentapolis and that of the Council of Sardica not to mention the Writers of the following Ages The Collector was aware that the Eusebians have every where the Title of Arians and therefore he tells you that the Arianism of the Eusebians was generally interpreted to amount to no more than their receiving a false succession of Bishops On this the main hinge of his whole Book turns The Margent will shew him to have been extreamly careless in his Reading and that they were therefore call'd Arians because they were believed to have embraced the Heresie and Opinions of Arius Athanasius in one place has these words The Eusebians seeing their Heresie going down wrote to Rome and to the Emperors Constantine and Constans against Athanasius but the Legates which were sent by Athanasius confuted their Lies and they were rejected with shame by the Emperours Thus he makes them to be Hereticks even before he was deposed 2. Gregory who was put into his place when he was first expell'd is well known to have been a notorious Heretick So he himself witnesses of him as does also St. Hilary The Council of Sardica declares him no Bishop and forbids the Catholicks to give him that Title and to have any manner of Communication with him and that partly for his other enormous Crimes but principally because he and his Party promoted the Arian Heresie against the right Faith And this is the Reason they give for their restoring Athanasius and the rest that were ejected by the Eusebians Athanasius observes that that Council were so far from calling him a Bishop that they did not think he was worthy the name of a Christian. 3. George of Laodicea who was constituted his Successor upon his second Expulsion had been formerly degraded from his Orders as an Arian by Alexander Bishop of Alexandria and had afterwards been deposed from his Bishoprick of Laodicea and again d●graded by the Sardican Council as an Arian for dividing the Father from the Son in the Holy Trinity and adulterating the Word of Truth and is every where branded as an Arch-Heretick Lucifer Calaritanus tells us that the Catholicks were so cruelly persecuted by the Emperor Constantius for what reason was it because they refused to own a Bishop who was put into the place of another Uncanonically depriv'd No 't was because they would not comply with George's Blasphemy And P. Iulius tells us concerning the former Persecution that it was brought upon the Orthodox for no other reason but because they would not Communicate with Gregory and his ARIANS Ruffinus tells us that the Reason why the Catholicks chose rather to suffer banishment than to subscribe to Athanasius's Deprivation was because they believed that through him the Catholick Faith was struck at 4. That Meletius of Antioch and P. Felix of Rome who were put into the places of Eustathius and Liberius were by some accounted Hereticks Dr Hody has already shewn And this was the Reason why they were by some rejected The Collector spends two or three pages to prove against the Dr that Liberius being depriv'd did not give up his Right and submit to Felix as Bishop of Rome Where for God's sake does the Doctor say he did On the contrary this makes directly for the Doctor 's Cause that though there was no Cession yet they that knew Felix to be Orthodox very freely recognized him But why was Liberius himself after he had subscribed to Athanasius's Condemnation looked upon by the Catholicks with so ill an eye Was it not for this because he had complied with a wrong Succession So the Collector says But 't is full as false as any thing is true The subscribing to Athanesius's Condemnation was look'd upon by many to be a Revolting to the Arian Heresie and besides it is certain that the Arians themselves boasted that Liberius had subscribed to their Doctrine So S●zo●en expresly tells us And St. Ierom himself affirms that he actually did so And this
was the Reason why after he was restored and Felix rejected some would not acknowledge him but continued to adhere to Felix whom they knew to be truly Orthodox When Hosius of Corduba was pushed on through the violence of the times to Communicate with the Hereticks Valens and Ursacius what was the Reason that he never could be brought to subscribe to Athanasius's Condemnation Was it not because he accounted even Heresie it self a less fault than to comply with a wrong Succession No such matter If Hosius still stood firm in that Point it was because to subscribe to Athanasius's Condemnation was to own his belief of those Crimes for which he was depos'd which he could not do being in his Conscience so extreamly satisfied that he was not guilty He could not find in his heart to be guilty of so great a Lie and of so great Injustice to the injur'd Athanasius And so we are told by Athanasius himself that the Reason why the Catholick Bishops chose rather to suffer so cruel a Persecution than to set their Hands to his Deprivation was because they saw plainly that the Crimes with which he was charg'd were only the Forgeries of his Enemies Thus Flavianus and Elias the Patriarchs of Antioch and Ierusalem though● they own'd Timotheus as Patriarch of C P. yet they never could be perswaded to subscribe to the Deprivation of his Predecessor Macedonius because that would have been to own a belief of the Crimes that were laid to his charge and of the Iustice of his Enemies Proceedings I shall here inform the Collector that it appears by the Testimony of St. Hilary himself who suffered in the Cause of Athanasius that the Catholick Bishops offered to subscribe to his Deprivation if his Adversaries would but subscribe to the Doctrine of the Council of Nice And the same is likewise attested by Sulpitius Severus If his Adversaries would have done this the Catholicks would then have been convinced that the Crimes which they laid to his charge were not forged against him for the advance of the Arian Heresie but might possibly be true This they could not perswade themselves as long as they plainly saw that his Deposers were Enemies to the Orthodox Faith The Schism of the Meletians and the Paulinists of Antioch which the Collector so tediously insists on that was likewise founded in Heresie and makes not a whit for their Cause The Paulinists accounted Meletius and his Successors Arians or disown'd at least the validity of their Orders The Meletians on the other side accounted Paulinus a Sabellian and he was not put upon them by any Sovereign Coercive Power which the Collector cannot be made to take notice of but by Lucifer Calaritanus who had no Authority over them Dr Hody had asked what Authority he had to Constitute a Bishop of Antioch The Collector here takes him up and shews him in a Digression of several Pages if any thing may be call'd a Digression in that Book that where Heresie is concern'd a Catholick Bishop has Authority any where Very pertinently done As if the Dr could be ignorant of what every Body so well knows But how could Lucifer's Authority oblige those that accounted Meletius Orthodox to reject him for another What power irresistible had he to put a new Bishop upon them That which chiefly continued that unhappy Division was the Opinion which Lucifer had instill'd into his Party that the Orders of the other side were null as being Arian To conclude I have already challenged Mr Dodwel and the whole Party and in this I am only a Second to the Dr to produce me any ONE single Instance of a Bishop disown'd by the generality of the Catholick Church for this Reason because put into the place of another deposed by the Civil Power The generality is the only thing that can be of any Authority But I 'll now for a Trial of skill be so bold as to give one challenge more Instead of the generality in the fourth Age I challenge the Collector who takes himself to be so much a Master of the Story of that Age to shew me any one single Person throughout all that Age that actually stood out on that account There is not to be found and I am not afraid to affirm it so much as one single Person among all the Catholicks of that Age who actually refused to own any Bishop that was put in by an irresistible Power but it was for one of these Reasons either because he accounted him a Heretick or because he look'd upon his Orders to be null and invalid as being deriv'd either immediately or mediately from one whom he accounted a Heretick or because the Bishop communicated with Hereticks or lastly because he was for some other Crime Excommunicated The Donatists themselves can afford the Collector no Example For the Reason why they disown'd the Catholick Bishops who were back'd by the Imperial Power was because they accounted their Orders and their Baptism invalid as being deriv'd from such whom they believed to have been Traditors This Rule being observ'd you have a full and a clear Answer to all that Long and Verbose Collection More Labour and more Words to less purpose in my Life I never saw But it 's usual with Men of that size for the cleanlier conveyance of their Tricks and Shuffles to stare their Readers with Confidence in the Face and to overwhelm them with a long run of Words With this I leave the Matter the Collector and all together For the sake of some Reverend and Worthy Persons who are unhappily engaged in the present Division for whom I must avow I have all along had and shall always have a very great and distinguishing Respect I shall here lay down an Example that relates to our own Country which to Men of good Tempers may be of good use When Wlketulus the worthy Abbot of Croyland in the time of Will the Conquerour was unjustly depriv'd of his Abbey Ingulphus the Historian being nominated to it without any scruple accepted of it tho' he own'd his Predecessor to have been wrongfully dispossessed Wlketulus being a very pious and good Man and skilful in the Affairs of the Monastery Ingulphus invites him to come and live with him placed him always in his own Stall and honoured him as his Father and Copartner in the Government Thus the good old Abbot lived lovingly and contentedly with his Successor to his death and was very useful to the Monastery I have only a word or two more to add and that is to put you in mind that when-ever you meet with any thing that may be published as an Answer to The Case of Sees Vacant the Dr desires you would be pleased to Read both together If you think he is at leisure or of an inclination to Answer every little thing and especially of their Vnderworkmen that shall be published against him you will find your self mistaken The Phaenomena of History
if I may use that word are so fully comprehended and solv'd in that Treatise that you will not need or desire any Reply if you compare and weigh one with the other As for those that are of such pliant Understandings as to fancy that which they read last to be always the best or to think that every thing is an Answer that is so called in the Title page His Judgment is that they are not worth Instructing much less gratifying You ought not to forget what he tells you in his Preface That he hates everlasting wrangle and an Adversary that Cavils and excepts against things not material or refuses to answer the main points he shall think deserves a Reply as little as one that Rails He often reflects on those Words of that great and good Man his late Lord A.B. Tillotson and desires to regulate his Life and Studies according to them it were well if all others would do the same A good Man should not be very willing when his Lord comes to be found as it were beating his Fellow-servants and all Controversie as it is usually managed is little better A good Man would be loth to be taken out of the World reeking hot from a sharp Contention with a perverse Adversary and not a little out of countenance to find himself in this temper translated into the calm and peaceable Regions of the Blessed where nothing but perfect Charity and Good will reign for ever He is not so ignorant of the nature of Humane Passions as to hope that his Adversaries can at this time of day be convinced by any thing that may be written For as the Collector himself owns Men once dipt in Schism are hardly ever after brought to their former Consistency and Integrity 'T is TIME only that can do this And to that the Dr leaves them FINIS Books Printed for J. Everingham at the Star in Ludgate-street A New Family-Book Or The True Interest of Families Being Directions to Parents and Children and to those who are instead of Parents shewing them their several Duties and how they may be happy in one another Together with several Prayers for Families and Children and Graces before and after Me at To which is annexed A Discourse about the right Way of Improving our Time By Iames Kirkwood Rector of Astwick in Bedfordshire With a Preface by Dr. Horneck The Second Edition Corrected and much Enlarged Eight Sermons Preached on several Occasions By Nath. Whaley Rector of Broughton in Northamptonshire The Guide of a Christian Directing him to such Things as are by him to be Believed Practised Feared and Hoped for There are added at the end Prayers to be used upon several Occasions The second Edition Corrected The Duty of the Clergy and Laity A Sermon preached in the Parish Church of Grantham Iuly 12. 1697. At the Primary Visitation of the Right Reverend Father in God Iames lord-Lord-Bishop of Lincoln By Ioshua Clark M.A. Rector of Somerby in Lincolnshire Printed at the Request of several Clergymen then present with his Lordships Approbation FINIS ERRATA PAg. 9. line 8. read the Dr's Book ib. l 15 c. r. Zadock p. 11. l. 4. r. were continued ib. l. 16. r. also because l. 36. r. the ejected p. 14. l. 26. r. Constans p. 21. l. 11. r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 * The Preface was not seized but was published by it self under the Title of The Doctrine of the Church of England concerning the Independency of the Clergy on the Lay-power Bishop of Sarum's Vind. p. 52. 146 c. † The Vindication excepts against examples for the depriving of Bishops by the Lay-power not against such examples as the Dr urges which are only for a quiet submission But Mr D. frequently confounds the two distinct Questions (a) Apolog. p. 692. Episcopis prope nonaginta pulsis Ecclesiisque Professoribus Arii traditis 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 693. ea narranda existimo ut tua Christianissima cura pietas in Deum certò intelligat criminationes mei calumniasque non alio fine institutas esse q●àm ut nobis ab Ecclesi●s expulsis suam impietatem in Ecclesias immitterent 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Nam posteaquam ex veris senibusque Episcopis alii in exilium deportati essent alii metu fugati ethaici homines Catechumeni primariique decurionum c. ad spem Episcopatûs pro pià CHRISTIANORVM fide ARIANISMVM profitebantur 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ecce tertia denuo allabitur fama scriptum fuisse Tyrannis Auxu●is ut me ubicunque etiam apud barbaros perquirerent populosque Clericos ad communionem Arianae HAERESIS cogerent 698. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. 699. Quo tempore talia scelera ab ARIANIS designabantur nihil à me erratum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Quid maluiffes à me fieri in tantâ saevitie calumniatorum nihil nisi necem meam omnibus rationibus molientium anne id quod scriptum est Abscondere paulisper ut interea temporis S●cophantas deprehensos HAERETICOS esse constaret 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Apol. pro fugâ p. 719 Pro suâ HAERESI belloque in Christum non CHRISTIANI amplius sed ARIANI appellantur Cum igitur hoc sint animo professione quid miri est sieos qui in eorum sententiam non concedunt neque impiam eorum HAERESIN plausibus prosequuntur ad necem quaerunt 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 703. praeclari Episcopi veritatis praecones in exilium profligantur n●llâ pro●sus de causâ nisi quod non astipulati sint Arionorum HAERESI nec illorum calu●niis adversus nos fictis subscribere voluerunt 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Alia vide passim cousimilia p 670. C. 807 812 827. per totam denique ad Solitarios Epistol●m Ibid. p. 815. Eusebiani igitur videntes HAERESIN suam succumbere Romam ad imperatores Constantinum Constantium contra Athanasium scribunt sed quia ab Athanasio missi legati mendacia eorum refutabant ab Impp. cum pudore rejecti sunt 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. (a) Ap. Athan. p. 723. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 728. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Nonne Eusebiani studio Arianismi ad id concilium perrexerunt reliquis ejusdem secum sententiae adductis Nonne nos contra eosdem homines eo nomine quod Arianicae Opinionis essent scripta evulgavimus 733. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 737. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. 738. Quod ideo faciunt ut impia Arianorum HAERESIS introducatur c. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 (b) Epist. ad Episc. Aegypti ap Athan. 756. non lignotum id nobis antesignanos infelicis Arianorum HAERESIS mulra gravia in Ecclesiam molitos esse 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Ea enim eorum vafrities fuit semperque hujus pestiferi propositi fuere ut omnes ubique Orthodoxae fidei homines Catholicae Ecclesiae doctrinam à patribus traditam servantes exagitarent persequerentur