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be_v subject_a to_o superior_n 23._o but_o in_o this_o reply_n there_o lie_v hide_v some_o cunning_a equivocation_n and_o the_o most_o that_o it_o prove_v as_o oftentimes_o heretofore_o i_o have_v signify_v be_v that_o the_o temporal_a power_n or_o sword_n or_o rather_o temporal_a prince_n who_o have_v temporal_a power_n and_o bear_v the_o temporal_a sword_n be_v in_o spiritual_a cause_n whether_o of_o their_o own_o nature_n or_o by_o some_o accidental_a circumstance_n they_o become_v spiritual_a to_o the_o spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a power_n by_o which_o they_o be_v to_o be_v direct_v &_o correct_v not_o in_o mere_a temporal_n but_o only_o in_o spiritual_n not_o by_o temporal_a law_n or_o with_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o do_v belong_v only_o to_o the_o temporal_a power_n but_o only_o by_o ecclesiastical_a law_n or_o direction_n and_o with_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a punishment_n or_o correction_n which_o only_o do_v appertain_v to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a or_o 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