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A04429	The opinion, judgement, and determination of two reverend, learned, and conformable divines of the Church of England, concerning bowing at the name, or naming of Jesus. The one somtime a member of the Vnivertie of Cambridge, in a letter to his Christian freind: the other sometime a member of the Vniversitie of Oxford, in a treatise to his brethren the ministers of the Church of England. Printed at Hambourgh, 1632	H. B., Bachelor of Divinity.; I. H., Bachelor of Divinity.; S. O., fl. 1630-1634.; Ofwod, Stephen, attributed name.; Burton, Henry, 1578-1648, attributed name.	1634 (1634)	STC 14555; ESTC S106466	28,118	82

professe to hould communion with them in all holy parts of Gods worship and because we do thus practise Here is one IOHN CAN have published a spitefull if not rayling booke against al● that doe complaine of the superstitions used in our Land And yet hould communion with them in holy graces o● Gods Worship For this cause he chardgeth us to be pervertours of the truth saying Dr. Ames of famous memory who utterly denies that the calling of ou● Minister doe essentially depend on th● Bishops call yet otherwayes have a lawfull calling Against this he doth parentorily affirme the Ministers in our Land by the Laws of our Land doth certainl● depend on the Bishops calling holy an● no mens else Herein he doth affirm th●● this pretence is worse then the family o● Love which are the grossest Heretick● risen in this Adge Therefore we will examine his accusation For if he be false in this then let all that feare God judge him a false accuser like his Father the Devill is And I de here call all discret men to witnes that b● the Laws of our Land the Bishop canno● send a Minister to be made in the church till the Patron do first choose him an● send him with his Letters to the Bishopp to ordaine him And it is well knowne there are sundry Congregations which have agreed with their Patrons that they choose and call their Pastor And sundry Gentlemen fearing God which are Patrons and do use to advise with the most discret in that Church about the choyse of one wherein they do take the advise of learned Devines approvin him and he is choosen by that Church before the Bishops see him and therefore Dr. Ames his sentence is true allthough Iohn CAN revile him for it and he after in the same book doth justifie this course of chusing by the Congregation to be good according to trueth Therefore his owne mouth do give sentence against himselfe to be a false accuser IF Iohn CAN would have triyed and defended his cause of Separatiō from all the Godly Ministers and Professours in the Church of England against Doctor Ames he should have answered his first and second Manuduction against M. Robinson and tryed if he cold hav don more thē M. Robinson have don for ther is his cause proved erronious it is in other books provd fals in denying the Grace of God given us in Iesus Christ. He doth know there are books have been published this 16 years which have proved sundry artikels of their faith false and erronious yet Iohn Can dare not write against till the Authours be dead It appeareth unto me Iohn Can knoweth not the right calling of a Teacher into the Church because he putts no difference betwixt Election Approbation Ordination which th● Word of God doth distinguish yet in his book he count them all one thing He writeth they practise nothing but that the Teachers of our Church have affirmed to be truth which I manifest is not so for we affirm God hath ordained Schooles to educate and fitt men to be teachers in his Church and such are necessary instruments to increase heavenly graces This we hold is a worke of Faith for us to heare them preach which Iohn Can do condemne Act. 13. 15. We doe beleeve the communion of Saints and thus the Church have beleeved since the Apostles dayes and though Iohn Can doth confesse they were first converted by our Ministerie yet he condemneth those that doth partake in that holy worship contrary to the Counsell of the Holy Ghost in dispising Prophe●ie Thess. 5. 20. He writes himself Pastor of the auncient English Church and he doth condemne all the divines of our nation that there is not one a lawfull teacher in this age but himselfe yet it appeareth he is ignorant of the grounds of Religion Hebr. 6. 2. Whereas John Can doe command all those which do denie his grounds to sett downe their names and the place where they dwell I desire of him to shew his commission for I think he is vainly consaited and one that doth not know himselfe therefore fare unfitt to reprove those which have laboured more yeares in studie then he hath monts See his Booke Folio 60. The Publisher Post-scripe to the Reader IF any will-worship or Ceremonialist say that this bowing and ducking at the name or naming of Iesus is justified in Mr. Widdowes his Answer to Mr. Prin I reply first let us observe what a brand of an evill conscience he have which do defend this Superstition It is certainely knowne that Mr. Widdowes is knowne and detected to be but a drunken Divine a kind of mad-fellow and pot-companion and though ●e useth often as is credibly or reported to sweare by the sacred name of Iesus yet his answer for bowing at it was nothing but a Sottishe mad rayling Pamphlet replied unto and utterly confuted by Mr. Prin and he putt to a limping silence and a non plus But some of you Advocates for Baal will happily say that Mr Page forsooth hath hard and killed the Cow in justifying Widdowes and defending of bowing and cringing at the name or naming of Iesus which his pretended gravitie seeming grave stile and colloguing Dedication to his deere Mother the Vniversitie of Oxford But whosoever readeth his book with a single and impartiall eye must ●eeds say that it is likewise farced fuli of idle impertinencies sophistications and not free from absurdities falsities and blasphemous comparisons and revilings towards the person and junioritie of M. Prion though upon my certaine knowledge the learned Laick being betwixt 30 40 yeares old is of sufficient age ambilitie to encounter with any Iesuites Priest Arminian Anti-puritane or Collegelubber in Christendom as his learned Labours doe sufficiently testifie to the World And herein I will not decline but dare and doe appeale to all that are Orthodox Learned Godly and Wise-hearted of the aforesaid famous Vniversities And that the first of these above●named Advocates babbleth and the other blattereth They are allready fully confuted by these Pair of Orthodox Divines before in the twofold Treatise Aud therefore my premised Challenge standeth good Let therefore any opposite Reader in the name and feare of Christ Iesus forbeare further scoffing rayling or giering and in stead thereof if he be able take pen in hand and see what he can say to to the Challenge Iterum vale I have thought it not impertinent but very pertinent to annex hereto the Copie of an Arminians Character which I received from a freind as followeth An Arminian or meere Mountaguist IS an Animal scarce rational whose custome is before he hath well con●'d his Catechisme to read and applaud Peter Lombard and John Duns rather than Peter Martyr and Iohn Calvin and for more moderne Polemicks he preferres Bellarmine above Chamierus His garb or fashion when he comes from the Vniversity with affectation is to weare a long Cloke

and a correspondent Cassock short no where but in the w●st which is girt up with a girdle and a knot or rose allmost up to his nose commonly a falling-band because Procisians weare small set-ruffs His Religion is like a Confection compounded of many the least ingredient being Protestantisme and to believe as the Church doth His first ambition is to addresse himself to be some great-mens Trenchers-Chaplaine that so he may not be out of the Path-way to preferment not an Ignoramus in Court-curtesies nor a sot in State affaires His Devotion is so conformable to the Ceremonies of the Church that he thinks it impietie to decline the least particle thereof and yet he declines the Doctrine of the Church so much that he wisheth with all his heart the Prayer in the Letanie of our English Liturgie From all false Doctrine Heresie good Lord deliver vs were oblitera●●d And he is so bent to externall bowing at the name of Iesus that he cannot forbeare to do the like at the Picture of Iesus crucified alias a Crucifix if it stand in his way He is a mungreel Divine who as it were betwixt Hawke and buzzard see nicely to distinguish betwixt a Puritane in opinion and a Puritane in discipline and hath taught the nam which was contrary to the first institution so farre to enlarge it selfe that a Protestant must make hard shift to save himselfe harmlesse And he is one that makes the Grace of God lackey it after the will of men the Sheep to keepe the Sheepheard and a mortall seed of an immortall God Also he holds not Perseverance but Apostasie of the Saints He is the spawn of a Papist and if there come the warmth of favour upon him you shall see him turne into one of those Frogs which arose out of the bottomlesse Pit And if you marke it well you shall see him reaching out his hand to a Papist a Papist to a Iesuite and a Iesuite gives one hand to the Pope and another to the King of Spaine And so wee leave him to get more Grace professe and practise more goodnesse His Motto Orthodoxus CONCORDIA DISCORS VVHere as Iohn Can doth plead for the Antiquity of their Separation and saith it was in King Edwards dayes but I answer him such a Separation as they do practise was not knowne 55 yeares since and the first Authours of these were Henrison and Robert Brown which they did partly recal there was of their Disciples that were apprehended in suffock 3. at Nayland for distributing of their Bookes and condemned after the Iudge offered them pardon if they would live obediently as the book of Common Prayer did direct but they answered that the booke of Common Prayer was the great Idoll of the Land on which the Iudge was exceedingly offended against them and saith he would hang them before he went out of the towne if they did maintaine this Then they did desire of him a conference with some Ministers there present which they had graunted and the next day the Iudge called them and demandeth of them what they said to the booke of Common Prayer And they affirmed it Idolatrous and on this they were hanged in the presence of the Iudge Sundry others I knew in the Contry that would not be present at the worship of the book of Common Prayer yet they would and did diligently frequent the hearing of the zealous preaching the word therfore in some Parishes they had a bell d●d ring when the Service was ended thē they would com into the Congregation And I knew 3 preachers which fled in Queen Maryes Raigne and they were zealous preachers yet I perceived som difference betwixt them the one Mr. Brodish he tooke a living neere where I lived and he was a zealous preacher The other was a Gentleman named Larrans he did usually preach in divers parts of the contry and kept a Lector at a market town calld Harlston the other namd Simond Harlson who was a Minister at Sto●num in K. Edwards dayes he was in t●●ble then because he would 〈◊〉 weare the Surplus he did preach in the Country these 2 were proferred benifices sundry times but they would not accept there This l●tter did use a Lector every 14 dayes in his house at which I have been sundry times present he was very ould I take it he lived to the yeare 1591. I have conferred with him sundry times and had speech with him concerning Browne and he disallowed Brownes Separation from the hearing of the zealous preachers in our Land I desired of them to know why they would not use the Booke of Common prayer in the worship of God and they answered and said because Idolatours did so worship and they were forbidden to worship after the manner of Idolaters This is a true Relation S. O. FINIS Ioh. 18 37 Consuctudo sine veritate vetustas erroris est Tertull. Hinc non dubito quin profecta sit illa antiquissima cōsuetudo in Ecclesijs ut cum nominatur Iesus omnes apperiūt caput in testimoniū reverētiae adorationis c. Zanch. in Phil. 2. 10 Pari religione ad nomen Salvatoris nostri D. Iesu Christi similiter ad Euāgelium Magnificat Benedictus Nunc dimittis Gloria in Excelsis Gloria Patri ceteras que id genus divinorum officiorum partes sic genuum flexione apertione Capitis ac totius corporis gestu se component ut ad ea quae ibi aguntur animum intendere videantur Synopsis Pap. 9. Generall controversie concerning the saints departed Genua cunctorū fidelium ad mentionem S. Sti. nominis Iesu non solū corpore sed mente etiam flecti ibidem decernitur Epitome mundi Cent. 13. ca. 9. de Synodis Convenientes ibidem nomen illud quod est supra omne nomen a quo aliud subo caelo non est datum hominibus in quo salvôs fieri credē tes oporteat nomē vid. Iesu Christi qui salvum faciet populum suum exhibitione reverētiae specialis attollant quod generaliter scribitur ut in nomine Iesu omne genu flectitur singuli sin gulariter inseipsis implētes precipuè dum agūtur Missarum sacra mysteria gloriosum illud Nomēquoties cunque re colitur fl●ctant genua cordis sui quod vel capitis sui inclinatione testentur Platina in vita Gregorij Papae 10. An. 1230. Note See Sr. Edwin Sādye his Europae speculum 1629. pa. 16. This pope lived about the yeare 103. Note † Preface to the Cōmunion Booke of Ceremonies why some abolished some reteined * Theoph Filius Dei vocabitur quae appellatio universorū nomen excedit † Nullus nomen illud super omne nomen existēs populus Christi in hunc usque diem praeterquam ad sanctam viuificantem Trinitatem retulit Naz. in Epist Germani Episcopi Constantinop ad Thomā Episco Claudiopollôs In Synodi Nycaenae 2. arti 4. ‡ Nomen super omne nomen est nomen explicans ineffabilē potestatem naturam Greg. Nyss. in Ecclesiastem homil 7. ‖ Nomen quod est supra omne nomen cui n. Angelorum dixit filius meus tu es Biblioth Sacta lib. 5. Annot. 150. to 2. * Origen Genu. flectere non est carnaliter accipiēdū sed subjecta esse omnia cultui Dei obedire declarat † Imperij ejus subjici fateantur Angeli Homines Demo●nes Gloss. so Anselm so Bruno Carthurianus * Synopsis 9. generall controversy Qu. 5. Appendix concerning the name of Iesus Thus is Idolatry committed Note Note this well Rhemes Annot. on this place Here is the decript of Sathan to bring in false worship Act. 2. 36. Ier. 33. 6. Obj. Answ. Obj. Answ. Thus doe men committ Idolatrie Obj. Answ. Observe this Note this well Phil. 3 18 19. Reasons of the ancient use of this gesture Keckerm syst theol li. 1. c. 9. 5. Circumstances to prove it to be understood not of bowing the bodily knee Note this well N. B. Mat. 15. 9 1 Cor. 11 16. Mr. W. P. See his book 55. 56. 57. Folio He saith the best Ministers have no other call then the ignorant asses and idols have In the most con gregatiōs the patarn doe first chose before the Bishop can ordain Iohn Can proved a false acuser Fol. 234. See Mr. Padgets arrow against the Brownists and the reprove of Iohn 〈◊〉 May An. 1632. Yet those that chose him and ordained him did depose him they say for that he deceived them His study His Garb His Religion His Ambition His Devotion His Divinitie N. C. his Acnitophes I. R. his speech in Parlamēt 12. Ianua 1628. His politik part Iudge Anderson Lord chief ●ustus of 〈◊〉 common pleas An. 1583. or 1584. at Berry in Suffock In Nor●fock 〈…〉