concerning his Supremacy and our own allegiance to which we are tied by a bond of nature as his Liege people yet for the imposing of these two Oathes there are two Acts of Parliament provided viz. 1. Eliz. c. 1. 3. Jaco c. 4. Besides the Clergy have no power by the Sta. of 25. Hen. 8. which gives them power to make Cannons and Constititutions to impose Oathes for an Oath is no Cannon or Constitution but a meere Collaterall thing just as if they should have enjoyned a man to have entred into a bond of a 1000. pound to have observed their Cannons this had beene void and a prohibition had lyen at the common Law for it because this is a Collaterall thing and a charge upon my goods and so is an Oath upon my conscience and therefore in pressing an Oath by vertue of their 6 Cannon they have exceeded their authority The second thing is whether the matter of the Cannons be good Concerning the matter of the Oath contained in the sixt Cannon divers exceptions have beene taken by those learned Gentlemen that have argued before which I will not remember but adde foure which have not beene yet spoken too 1. Exception is in these words That I will not indeavour by my selfe or any other to bring in any Popish Doctrine contrary to that which is so established now That and So being words of Relation do referre to the next Antecedent being Popish Doctrine not mentioned in any part of the Oath before So that reddendo singula singulis it runnes thus in sence and in Construction I will not indeavour my selfe to bring in any Popish Doctrine contrary to that Popish Doctrine which is so established Ergo some Popish Doctrine is established by the Church of England This construction was so evident and plaine to them that for the curing therof though this Oath with the word Popish in it and the rest of the Cannons were confirmed by the Kings letters Patents 30. Iunij 16. Car. yet 5 to Julij after they got a Commission from the King to give this Oath leaving out the word Popish whereby they have made the remedy worse then the disease by giving an Oath which was never confirmed by the King 2. The second Exception is in these words Nor will I ever give my consent to alter the government of this Church by Archbishops Bishops Deanes and Arch-Deacons c. which I may fitly call a Covenant against the Kings supremacy which I thus make good It is a part of my Oath of Supremacy Stat. 1o. Eliz. c. 1. that I shall assist the King in all preheminences and jurisdictions belonging to his Crowne Now it is a part of his jurisdiction to alter this government by his Parliament and to appoint and establish another which if he shall be so minded to doe I am by this Oath not to assist him in it I am not so much as to give my assent wherby I doe unavoidably fall upon this Rock that for the saving of my oath I must deny my obedience to the King Azor. de juramento or by obeying the King I must fall upon perjury For though it be true as the Cannonists say that when a Law is changed to which I am bound by oath Though I am thereby materially discharged yet formally I am bound in respect of my will For if ever I actually assent to the alteration I am really perjured 3. The third Exception is in these words I will not consent to alter the government of this Church by Arch-bishops c. as it stands now established and as by right it ought to stand now to speake properly there is no government of this Church of England by Arch-bishops Bishops Deanes Arch-Deacons c. but only by the King and they governe onely by and under him And why the King should be quite left out seems a thing strange to me unlesse they will say he is comprehended within the c. which is a most unworthy place for so great a Majesty And that the Clergy had some ill meaning in this omission of the King out of this Oath I have some reason more then to suspect when I cast my eye upon some dangerous passages that are in their writings about the Kings Supremacy advancing it higher then the King himselfe would have them touching the Subjects property of goods but depressing it too low concerning his Ecclesiasticall power And this appeared lately before us by a very dangerous speech of Dr. Vâ—d D. Cowels book verbo Par. liament supprâ—ssed by K Iams ProclamarioÌ„ lately printed without authority Cosins who said that the King ought not to be called Supreame head of the Church and seemed to colour it by Bishop Iewels opinion which is most false For the Act of 1o. Eliz. Revives all the Statutes of Hen. 8. touching Supreame head of the Church So that the King may as well be called Supreame head of the Church on Earth for so are the words of the Statute of 26. Hen. 8. cap. 1. 37. Hen. 8. cap. 17. as supreame governour Besides the distinction that he used in this place That Bishops had their jurisdiction from God ratione officij but ratione exercitij they had it from the King which is both absurd and erronious It is absurd for he will not allow that Bishops and Ministers should be all one but by this distinction they should for neither of them can exercise their functions but by permission from the King It is erronious for I doe not only say it but will proove it that Bishops have no jurisdiction here but from the King for it is a knowne distinction among the Cannonists as that learned Civilian that spake last doth well know That in a Bishop there is a double power Potestas ordinis Potestas Jurisdictionis 1. Potestas ordinis to preach to baptize to administer the Sacraments c. this power is iure divino agreeable with all other Ministers 2. Potestas Jurisdictionis as to admit institute and give mandates to induct into Church-livings to keepe Ecclesiasticall Courts to call Sinods to visit Churches For which two latter we pay Sinodals and procurations to this day and which if the ancient forme were observed would be of excellent use at this day for the depriving of Arminians D Bois Deane of Cant in a viâ—tation Sermon Socinians and other Hereticks but as a learned Prelate writes they are now become Nummorum non morum visitationes This power of Iurisdiction say the Cannonists is de iure humano and from the Pope for so is their rule Episcopi descendunt à Papa tanquam membra à capite we in our Law say that their jurisdiction is wholy from the King and so it is acknowledged by themselves in expresse words in the Act of Parliament of 37. Hen. 8. cap. 17. an act in force at this day That Arch-bishops Bishops c. and all other Ecclesiasticall persons have no manner of Ecclesiasticall
their ecclesiasticall Courts in their owne names and not in the Kings having procured a Proclamation 1637. declaring the opinions of the Judges that the Stat. of 1o. Edw. 6. cap. 2. is repealed and of no force at this day and that Bishops may keepe Courts in their owne names ob 5 It is objected by the Clergy that these new Cannons were made by authority of the King by his Commission dated 12o. Maij last and therefore they had a warrant for what they did answ This is no excuse for if the Cannons which they made be contrary to the proviso in their Commission and contrary to Law which I have proved before this is so farre from excusing that it aggravates their offence for hereby the King which by Law can doe no wrong to his people is by this Commission made by them an instrument of injury to his people Divines say simulata sanctitas duplex iniquitas because to the outward breach of the Law there is added an inward hypocrisie of the heart which doubles the sinne So in acts of Injustice countenanced by Law there is added to the Injustice a deceipt to the King which doubles the offence Many examples may be given in this kind I will only name three 1. Cardinall Woolsey had a Commission from the King for keeping his Legantine Courts but yet this Commission was no excuse to preserve him from an attainder in a Premunire as I said before 2. Stephen Gardiner Bishop of Winchester in his letter to the Lord Protector mentioned in the first Edition of the Acts and Monuments of the Church but left out in the latter doth cite the Lord Tiptofts case who had a Commission from the King to execute divers things which being found in the execution to be against Law he lost both his head and his Commission at Tower Hill 3. The third and last example is Sr. Anthony Mildmayes case 14º Jacob. in the Kings Bench who was a Commissioner of the Sewers which Commission is grounded upon the Statute of 23o. Hen. 8. who by vertue of his Commission did cause one to be distrained for a fine imposed upon him by vertue of the Commission of Sewers who brought an action of trespasse against the partie that distrained him and had judgement to recover Sr. Anthony Mildmay by an order from the Sewers caused him to be imprisoned till hee had released the judgement for which offence Sr. Anthony Mildmay was sued in a Premunire in the Kings Bench to which he pleaded and was faine to procure a pardon from the King for his discharge ob 6 The last and greatest Objection is this The Bishop of Exceter and divers Divines more hold that the Jurisdiction of Bishops is jure divino whereupon it folowes that neither prohibition nor Premunire can restraine that Jurisdiction which derives from the Law of GOD. answ This indeed is true if their Jurisdiction were of that nature but I have proved before by divers Acts of Parliament that their Jurisdiction is acknowledged by the Law of England onely to be jure humano so are the Statutes of 35. Edw. 1. called the Statute of Carliel 25o. Edw. 3.25o. Hen. 8.26 Hen. 8.37 Hen. 8. 1o. Eliz. c. and Co. 5. Rep. Cawdries case The Common Law doth agree with these Statutes for the Canonists as heretofore I have told you doe observe a double power to be in a Bishop Potestas ordinis common with other Ministers as to Preach Baptize c. and Potestas Jurisdictionis as to admit institute deprive excommunicate c. The former they say is de jure divino the latter is de jure Canonnico or positivo which is agreeable to the Statutes I cited before but what doe I speake of the Common Law for the very Church of England seemes to be of this opinion for in our Booke of Common prayer no more is allowed to Bishops in point of divine right then what is common with Pastors Ministers and Curats for there are but three prayers for Bishops in all the Booke of Common prayer and they all runne to the same purpose The first is in the Lettany in these words that it may please thee to illuminate all Bishops Pastors and Ministers of the Church with true knowledge and understanding of thy word that both by their preaching and living they may set it forth and shew it accordingly wherein nothing is mentioned but their knowledge of GODS word their good life and doctrine The next prayer for them is after the prayer for the King and his Children in these wordes That God would send downe upon all our Bishops and Curats and all Congregations committed to their charge the helpefull spirit of his grace that they may truly please him c. where the taking care of the cure of soules in Congregations committed to them is the maine thing which we pray for them on their behalfe The last is in the prayer for the militant Church in these words Give grace O heavenly Father to all Bishops Pastors and Curats that they may both by their life and doctrine set forth thy true and lively word and rightly and duely administer thy holy Sacraments where there is not so much as a word mentioned of their Jurisdiction but of their true preaching good living and due administration of the Sacraments And so Mr. Speaker doe I conclude my whole Argument touching the penalty incurred by the Clergy for their illegall Cannons made in their Synod at Paules concerning which I will end all in these two Verses which may be better applied to this Synod then the Arminians applied them to the Synod at Dort Paulinae Synodus nodus Chorus integer aeger Conventus ventus Sessio stramen Amen FINIS
and pleasure with a proviso contained in the said Commission that the said Cannons should not be repugnant to the Rubricks in the booke of common-Prayer the 39. Articles nor to the Doctrine order and Ceremonies of the Church The like Commission went to the Arch-bishop of Yorke In which Commission of 12. May there was an expresse Revocation and making void of the Commission of 15o. Aprilis So that the Commission of 15. Aprilis being determined in Law by the Parliament to which it referred as likewise by the Commission of 12. May which absolutely revoked it All the Cannons that were made and now printed were made out of Parliament and so consequently out of Convocation and meerly by the Commission of 12. May. The 30. June following comes the Kings Letters Patents of Confirmation of these Canons made by the Commission of 12. Maij in which Letters Patents he doth in expresse words both give his Royall assent to the Cannons and ratifies and confirmes them according to that forme of the said Statute or Act of Parliament of 25. Hen. 8. Now that Statute doth only give power to the King to assent unto and confirm Cannons made in Convocation and therfore there being no Cannons made in Convocation but afterward the assent and confirmation of things not then in being must needs be void for in our Law confirmare is firmum facere which presupposeth an entity or being of the thing that is to be made firme for ex nihilo non fit quid saith the Philosopher And therefore the foundation failing on which the confirmation should worke doth cause it therby to be absolutely void according to that rule of Law Sublato fundamento destruitur opus And so I conclude this second point also that the Authority which should give life and being to these Cannons is void in Law The third and last point is this Point admitting that the Clergy had power and lawfull authority to make these Cannons whether the said Cannons be not void in Law for the matter contained in them and I thinke they are in that they are against the Lawes and Statutes of the Realme and so contrary to the laid proviso in the Statute of 25. Hen. 8. In the debate wherof I will first consider of the Cannons primae Classis 2. Of the Oath contained in the sixt Cannon 3. Of the Benevolence granted by the Clergy and contained in the second booke of Cannons all which I shall hold to be against the Laws and Statutes of the Realme Concerning the first I will only insist upon three Cannons for the rest have bin fully spoken too viz 1 12 and 13. Cannons For the first Cannon in making determinations concerning Royall power and property of goods they have done against Law and have medled with things of which they have no Conusans for the exposition of them belongs to the Judges of the Land and they have no more right to expound them then the Judges have to expound Texts of Scripture And therefore it was aptly spoken by the Atturney generall in Harrisons case who was indited in the Kings-Bench Trin. 14. Car. for calling Judge Hutton Traitor who there said that it was his opinion and the opinion of all Orthodox Divines that if the King thought he might with a safe conscience take my goods I was to let him have them and it was high Treason in me to deny him or make resistance To whom the Atturney generall replyed in these words that the Prerogative of the King and liberty of the Subject were given and defended by the Laws of the Realme and that the Judges were the expounders of that Prerogative And though the Clergy of England do seeme in this Cannon to maintaine this absolute power yet wee must know that the Kings of England never made Title to governe by it For though king James in his book of free Monarchies dives further in this point then any before him yet he determines it thus that this absolute power is onely between God and him not in relation to his people in point of their government for the same King saith in another place that a Subject of England may challenge the King in the same language as the poore widdow challenged Philip of Macedon Fac iustitiam aut ne sis Rex Par speech An. 1609. A booke condemned to the fire by both houses of Parliamēt 7 lac and then adds this That those Kings are either Tyrants or perjured that govern not according to their Law and those that perswade them otherwise are vipers and pests both to the King and Common-wealth And I have now in my hand that Kings Proclamation for the suppressing Dr. Cowels booke called The interpreter for advancing his absolute power to the overthrow of all Parliaments Concerning the 12. and 13. Cannons touching the freeing and discharging of Chancellours and Officials from executing any Excommunication in his own person or any censure against the Clergy because they are Lay-men I say that in doing and enacting this Stat 29 H 8. c 17. they have done quite contrary to an Act of Parliament still in force in taking from them this power of exercising the censures of the Church which that Statute gives them which I did looke when some Civilians now in the house should have maintained And although it were to be wished that only Clergy men should have this power of Excommunication and other Censures of the Church yet seeing an Act of Parliament hath given this power to Lay-men It is a high presumption in them to make Cannons against it Concerning the Oath mentioned in the 6 Cannon two things fall into question 1. Whether the Clergy can impose a new Oath I thinke they cannot For I hold it for a ground in Law that no Oath can be imposed upon the Subject but what is warranted either by the custome of the Realme which is no other then the common Law or els by some Act of Parliament to warrant it And herein the Clergy hath done more then the King doth at this day by his Prerogative Royall by which he governes his people and is part of the common Law and differs no more from it then pars à toto called by Bracton privilegium Regis by the Sta. of West 1. Droit du Roy by the Register Jus regium Coronae Now the King doth not by his Prerogative in any of his Commissions or Letters patents which are of greater force then Cannons impose an Oath without some Act of Parliament to warrant it As for example by the Commission of Sewers there is power to give an Oath but that is warranted by the Sta. of 23. Hen. 8. The Commission of Bankrupts gives an Oath but that is backed by the Statutes of 13. Elizab. Cap. 13. and 21. Jaco So the Commission of Charitable uses is warranted to give Oathes by the Stat. of 43. Eliz. many more instances might be given which I omit Nay the Oathes we take to the King
Lawneston in Cornewall before Roger Loveday and Walter de Wyburne These two were to enquire of Walter Bishop of Exeter for drawing the Kings Subjects into his Court and holding plea de debitis catallis quae non sunt de Testamento Matrimonio and for making them enter into bond and a new Oath quod sibi in omnibus adharebunt per omnia such another new fangled Oath as was in the late Cannons and this is in the Record alledged to be in lasionem Coronae exhaeredationem depauperationem manifestam quae ulterius sustinere nolumus nec debemus and it was adjudged that the Bishop should for this offence make satisfaction to the King 21. Edw. 1. Par. Rolls pl. 17. m. 3. indors Jo Archbishop of Yorke excommunicated two of the Bishops of Durhams servants named William Willicon and John Rowman for keeping possession of some of the lands of the Bishops of Durham to which the Archbishop pretended a title This being a high offence against the Stat. of Circumspecte agatis newly granted to the Clergy but a little before received this Judgement in Parliament First That the Bishop should be imprisoned Secondly Should make a submission to the King and Thirdly Should pay 4000. Marks fine which was a mighty summe whenas in those dayes the price of an Oxe was but 5. sh as appeares in the end of the 25. cap. of the Stat. of Westm ' 2. made 13. Edw. 1. tit assize Fourthly When the Clergy would take warning by none of these examples the Kings of England were forced to make these sharpe Lawes of Premunire that I mentioned before and to say to them in the language of Salomon to rayling Shimei for so was the Cannon Law to the Kings of England * 2 Kin. 2. keepe at home in your owne place if once you passe over the brooke Kidron your blood be upon your owne head So the Kings of England spake by their Lawes to the Clergy Keepe within your owne bounds given you by the Lawes of England if once you passe those bounds and trench upon the prerogative of the Crowne and liberties of the people your blood be upon your owne heads For that was the price of a premunire in those daies for untill 5o. Eliz. it was lawfull for any man to kill one that was attainted in a Premunire as it was to kill a Wolfe or a wild Dog for saith our Law a man attainted in a Premunire did caput gerere lupinum but now by that mercifull Stat. of 5. Eliz. cap. 1. it is unlawfull for any to kill a man attainted in a Premunire and so I conclude the second part of the division I come now to the third which is the maine and principall point of this Case namely to shew the ground and reasons of Law why the Clergy have in this particular case in making Cannons and forcing the execution of them upon the people by the censures of the Church incurred a Premunire which Grounds of Law are three First Ground is this Clergie-men which only by Law have a spirituall Jurisdiction if they shall exercise a Jurisdiction within the Kingdome which only belongs to the Kings temporall Courts and not to their ecclesiasticall Courts they doe an act herein against the Kings Supremacy and Royall Prerogative and so incurre a Premunire The Bookes in our Law to prove this ground are many which for brevity sake I will only quote the authorities of Law without putting the Cases at large because I have much more to say V. N. Br. 152.5 Edw. 4. fob 6.11o. Hen. 7. Bro. pram 12.44o. Ed. 3. fo 36o. 15o. Hen. 7. per Fineux 9. Edw. 4. D. St. lib. 2. cap. 24. cap. 32. The Reasons of this ground are three reason 1 By this meanes an act is done against Royall Majesty that is saith the Booke 5. Edw. 4. fol. 6. against the Common Law wherein is to be noted that there is a mutuall dependance betweene the Kings Prerogative and the Common Law that to violate the Common Law is to doe an act against the Kings prerogative and to violate the Prerogative is to doe an act against the Common Law with this agrees King James in an excellent Parliament speech of his Anno 1609. Wherein he takes an occasion to magnifie the Common Law as most beneficiall to his Prerogative and to despise it saith he is to despise the Crowne 2. Reason is given by D. St. lib. 2. cap. 32 that when debts and trespasses and such other temporall matters are handled in the spirituall Courts the King looseth his fines and amercements and such other duties due to him upon originall writs of Debt Trespassâ— c. 3. Reason is given by the Stat. of 25. Edw. 1. cap. 4.34 Ean 1. cap. 6. by which Stat. Magna Charta is appointed to be read in all Cathedrall Churches twice every yeare and excommunications are then solemnly to be denounced against all infringers of the same now there is no such infringment of liberty as to draw the subject into the Spirituall Courts by Cannons made by them contrary to Law and the liberty of the Subject graunted to them by that great Charter But the Rule is longum iter per praecepta breve per exempla I will therefore give you some examples and presidents Three against Bishops and two against Convocations themselves in the point of Praemuniries presi 1 The first is Hill 25. Hen. 8. Rot. 15. Cor. Rege Richard Nix his Case the blind Bishop of Norwich who for citing ex officio Richard Cockerall Major of Thetford into his Court for taking a presentment of a Jury in the Majors Court who found that by an antient custome and usage none ought to be sued out of the Deanary of Thetford for any ecclesiasticall matter and that if any did sue any Citations elsewhere he was to pay a noble For receiving this presentment the Major was sued in the Bishops Court for which Hales then the Kings Atturney did prosecute the Bishop in a premunire of which he was attainted part of whose fine did goe to the glasing of the windowes of the Kings Colledge Chappell in Cambridge 2. President is Trin. 36. Hen. 8. Rot. 9. Cor ' Rege Anthony Buckley Bishop of Bangor was prosecuted in a Premunire by Whorewood the Kings Atturney generall for holding plea of right of Patronage and of the sale of Corne and graine sold to Rice Ween John ap Hugh and Tho. ap Hoell and divers others for 21 lb. upon severall specialties which are matters only triable in the Kings Temporall Courts did likewise incurre a Premunire and was thereupon attainted and his lands and goods forfeited 3. President was likewise in the Case of another Bishop of Norwich called William Bateman who meerely for visiting the Abbey of S. Edmundsbury discharged antiently by divers Charters of Episcopall visitations the Abbot thereof being mitratus Abbas was for this offence fined to the King in 30. talents of gold which amounted to
places cannot be heard or scarcely seene whereupon I conclude this second ground of Law that because the Clergy have done so directly against their Commission from the King they have thereby incurred a Premunire The third Ground of Law wherewith I will conclude the third part of my division is this 3 Ground The Common Law of England which as King James saith is in its own principalls the justest Law in the world should not in our case be just the Clergy themselvs being Judges if they of the Convocation should not incurre a Premunire As it is a rule in Art Contrariorum contrariaest ratio in respect of the Subject so there is another rule in Art Contrariorum eadem est ratio in respect of the Analogy and proportion for doe but observe what they doe against us in the Provinc Constitut cap. de sententia excom which is good Law with the Clergy you shall find these words Excommunicantur omnes illi qui literas impetrant à quacunque curia laicali ad impediend processum Ecclesiast Judicum in causis qua per sacros Canones ad forum Eccles pertinent Nay so high they go in their advancement of their Ecclesiasticall Jurisdiction that in the said Constitutions capite de panis it doth appeare that if the King do by writ or other command call a Bishop to answer in his temporall Court and the Sheriff◠execute those writs by distresse or attachment c. The King indeed is in point of good manners admonished by them 1 2 3. according to forme but if he will not then desist but in sua duritia perseverare for such rebellious words they have the King his Officers and Ministers his Mannors Castles Cities Burrows c. are hereby exposed to excommunication and interdiction which how terrible it was to the Kingdome of England may appeare in the example of King Iohn who was excommunicated and his Kingdome interdicted by his owne Bishops all the Church doores in the Realme locked up and marriages christnings and burialls denied to all his people To apply this to our case If the King and his people are thus used by the Clergy for the maintenance of their own Lawes as to exclude them from Heaven from the Church and from Salvation for so are excommunicated persons tanquam Ethnici publicani it is then most just for the King to exclude the Clergy from the protection and benefit of his Laws when they so incroach and intrench upon them according to that ancient rule of Law Frustra legis auxilium invocat qui in legem committit And so Mr. SPEAKER I have done with the third and maine part of my Diuision and come to the fourth and last which is the answer of Objections mooved principally by three learned Civilians for so I must account them Doct. Cowell in his Interpreter verbo praemunire a booke suppressed by Parliament and King Iames Proclamation but of late reprinted Doct. Cosins Deane of the Arches in the time of Queene Elizabeth in his Apology for Ecclesiasticall proceedings and Doct. Ridley vicar generall in the time of King Iames in his view of the Civill and Cannon Laws The Objections are six Fourth part ob 1 The first Objection is this the Law of England sayth Civilians doth not impute Premunire to any spirituall Judge dealing in a temporall matter but onely prohibition answ To this I answer that it is a fallacy ex ignoratione Elenchi as Logitians call it that is a meere mistake of the Question for the difference in our Law is this where the spirituall Court hath jurisdiction and where not as for example The spirituall Court hath jurisdiction of Tithes and yet if it hold plea de grossis arboribus that is of Timber-trees above 20. yeares growth contrary to the Stat. of silva caedua 45. Edw. 3. cap. 3. there a prohibition onely doth lye because the Court hath jurisdiction of Tythes but when the spirituall Court hath no jurisdiction at all as in debt trespasse c. there a premunire doth lye So is Dr. and St. which I quoted before and 24. Hen. 8. B. Prem 16. and divers other authorities in Law ob 2 It is said by the Civilians that Curia Romana aut alibi mentioned in the Statutes of Premunires which I cited before must not be meant of any Courts here in England but of the Popes Courts which he kept sometimes at Rome sometimes at Avignion in France and sometimes at Bonony in Italy and therefore must be ment of those Courts which the Pope kept beyond Sea and not at Rome answ It is a vain Objection for alibi doth not referre to the place but to the Court for whersoever the Pope is let him be at Rome at Avignion at Bonony or in England c. There is Curia Romana whersoever he is and therfore alibi must needs be ment of some other Ecclesiasticall Court then the Popes Court and so is it expounded in old N. B. fol. 152. 5. Edw. 4. fol. 6. and divers other books of Law and therefore in some of the Records which I cited before the word alibi is thus interpreted In Curia Romana aut aliqua alia Curia Christianitatis and that is certainly the meaning of the word alibi as may appeare by the pleading in the old booke of Entries 430. Praedict I. R. machinans Dominum Regem nunc coronam dignitatem suam exhaeredare cognitionem quae ad curiam Domini Regis pertinet ad aliud examen trahere for that indeed was the only mischief to draw the Kings Subjects for temporall matters to a tryall in the Ecclesiasticall Courts of which they had no cognizance ob 3 The spirituall Courts should in this case say they bee worse then an inferiour Court Baron for there no Premunire doth lye if the Lord doth hold plea of actions above 40s. answ This is another fallacy which Logicians call petitio principij a begging of the question for old Nat. B. fo 153. is to the contrary 2. Besides if the Law were otherwise yet a Court Baron is a Court of Common Law and antient and the spirituall Court is a Court of the Cannon Law and not antient ob 4 The Ecclesiasticall Courts say they are now become the Kings Courts by the Statute of 1o. Eliz. Cap. 1. as other Courts in Westminster Hall and therfore the King cannot have a Premunire against himselfe answ I deny this For they are the Kings Courts now no more then they were before for the Stat. of 1o. Eliz. did not give the King any new power but only restored the old which hee had before and this answer did Chancellour Audley give to Stephen Gardiner Bishop of Winchester who made this objection telling him withall that the Premunire was a Rod that the Common Law had to keepe the Bishops in awe and to reduce them to good order otherwise men would have no quiet for them They cannot now make this Objection because they keepe