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A51065 A moderate reply to His Majesties answer to the cities last petition presented at Oxford which answer was read in Guildhall, before the commons of the said city, January 13, 1643 / by a well-minded petitioner for peace and truth. Petitioner for peace and truth. 1643 (1643) Wing M2330; ESTC R31030 18,007 20

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loyall orthodox conformable men say all that ever truely knew them and by these wee may guesse at the Separatists Sectaries Brownists and Aanabaptists so often mentioned in His Majesties expressures for these are well knowne not onely to be honest men but also conformable unto the Church of England and as yet at this time we know nothing wherein they are of another mind except it be in reformation of Discipline confest on all hands to be corrupted Well what doe these doe to offend His Maiesty why these are the men intimated before by Whom the Whole City is awed and misled Surely the City is awed by these men as the Parliament is by foure or five factious spirits a thred bare and worne stratagem to raise contention in the City Well what else is obiected against these persons Why they commit great outrages in oppressing robbing and imprisoning according to their discretion all His Maiesties loving subjects whom they are pleased to suspect but for wishing well to His Maiesty what His Maiesty meanes here can hardly be understood but we look not upon it as His Maiesties expressions and therefore we are bold to say that surely the Composers Pen did run faster then his iudgement for we know nothing at all that three of these men have done viz. Alderman Foulk Colonell Ven and Col. Mainwairing except it hath been by speciall order from the Parliament and I hope they give no order to rob men and as for my Lord Major we know not the least act of this nature wherein he is guilty except there be that of London seene in Oxford which was never seene in London These are His Maiesties reasons wherefore he suspects His security in the City and His Maiesty having dispatched them commeth to appeale to the common iudgement and knowledge of all men to give their answers to severall Queries 1. Query Whether the Petitioners beleeve that the reviling and suppressing the Book of Common Prayer establisht in this Church ever since the reformation the discountenancing and imprisoning godly learned and painefull Preachers and the cherishing and countena●●ing Brownists Anabaptisti and all 〈◊〉 of Sectaries be the way to maintaine and 〈…〉 Answ First though we will honour the very forme of godlinesse and therefore will not plead for reviling yet we conceive that the true Protestant reformed Religion may very well consist with the suppressing of the Book of Common prayer for First our Protestant religion had not its first rise from protesting to maintain the Booke of Common Prayer but to maintaine the Protestant Doctrine of the Gospel of Christ in opposition to Popery Secondly I hope it will not be denyed but that the reformed Churches beyond Seas are Protestant and yet they have not our Booke of Common Prayer there Thirdly we question not but that His Maiesty hath confirmed the Protestant Religon in Scotland and yee we know not that either Bishops or our Booke of Common Prayer if setled there nor that they are tyed to any Booke Whereas it is said that Fourthly the Booke of Common Prayer hath been setled in this Church since the reformation yet First it will be hard to prove that that book which was setled be that book which we have and if it prove otherwaies then to revile this Booke is no more to revile the Booke of Common Prayer setled and established in this Church ever since the reformation then to revile the Popish Masse booke is to revile the Booke of Common Prayer setled since the Reformation Secondly Suppose this should be the Booke setled since the Reformation yet they which first setled it did not establish it in seculo seculorum it was for themselves we cannot thinke they had so high thoughts of themselves as to thinke that they were then so pure a Church as that they never could be capable of more light and knowledge and reformation then what they had No questionlesse that pious Prince whose memory is and shall be for ever blessed for his willingnesse and endevours to honour God in a reformation according to the light of those times had not the least such thought Thirdly the Booke of Common Prayer was not at first setled for the true Protestant Religion but for a forme of Common Prayer the holy Scriptures are the ground of the Protestant Religion and not the Booke of Common Prayer and therefore the true Protestant Religion may be maintained though the Booke of Common Prayer be suppressed Fourthly the Booke of Common Prayer was establisht in opposition and not in favour to Popery but now it s very observable that Popery is secretly nourished and keeps footing in this Kingdome by the Booke of Common Prayer and therefore the most Popish Priests in the Kingdome are so hot and zealous for the Booke of Common Prayer But the truth is that this hath beene the designe of the Prelaticall faction to stifle the light of the Gospell the Preaching of the Word and to put up in the roome of it the Booke of Common Prayer that so the poore common people may know no Protestant Religion but the Booke of Common Prayer otherwise the people would have beene ashamed of this question Can the Protestion Religion consist with the subpressing the Booke of Common Prayer Well that is the first part of his Maiesties first Query the second part is Whether the discountenancing and imprisoning godly learned and painfull Preachers be to maintain and defend the true reformed Protestant Religion Surely to discourtenance godly learned and painefull Preachers 〈◊〉 to maintaine the true reformed Protestant Religion and therefore the Prelates ●ee their pretences be what they will whose constant practises have beene to discountenaned and imprison godly learned and painfull Preachers have nor defended the true reformed Protestant Religion but malice is selfe cannot produce one instance one godly learned and painefull Preacher discountenanced and imprisoned for his godlinesse learning or painefull Orthodoxe Preaching by the Magistrates of London though this charge and sinne shall lie heavy one day upon all such as are guilty thereof but blessed be God London hath beene more passive than active in that sin it hath beene our sorrow but not our sin A third part of his Maiesties first Querie is whether The cherishing and countenancing Brownists Anabaptists and all manner of Sectaries be the way to maintaine and defend the true reformed Protestant Religion Answ Surely to cherish and to countenance Brownists Anabaptists and all manner of Sectaries is not the way to maintaine and defend the true reformed Protestant Religion but if by Brownists Anabaptists and all manner of Sectaries meant such as are not truely so called if by those be meant such as my Lord Maior Alderman Foulke Collonell Ven and Collonell Mainwaring who are taxed for such in this Reply if by these be meant all such as are not Episcopall in their Judgements formall in their Devotions ceremoniall and superstitious in this worshipping God if by these be meant such as will not