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A06632	A letter of Sr. Humfrey Linde, to a lady of great worth, much afflicted for Syr Humfreys sake, hearing him ill spoke of, for not answering the Whetstone, and the Spectacles, that were written against his Via tuta And also for that he is greatly taxed for lying and corrupting of many authours. In which letter he doth cleare himselfe.	Floyd, John, 1572-1649.; Lynde, Humphrey, Sir.	1634 (1634)	STC 17093; ESTC S100654	14,875	50

neuer to do good worke so long as we breath Heere you see my grounds for it out of this prophet sent from heauē to reforme the world and you see also that we may iustly alter the text and vse our wits in clearing of the Scripture purifying our doctrine and deluding the Papistes I cannot omit another Prophet D. Caluin so named by himselfe I am a Propheth sayth he I haue the spirit of God c. thus full of zeale in his 4. booke of Institutions cap. 12. and else where Now marke the spirit zeale of this man In the preface of his Institutions he tells vs that the Coūcell of Basill was a lawfull Councell and persisted in full authority and dignity to the end Now then he prooueth most learnedly that the Papist Church hath fayled for that Coūcell deposed Eugenius and chose Felix yet the Councell being ended Eugenius stole againe into the chayre without any Canonicall election and so from him a false Pope all the succeeding Popes haue sprunge making euer since a false Church Thus that rare eminent starre Iohn Caluin whose wisedom thought it not conuenient in those times to be so foolishly scrupulous as to speake truth and to lay open that indeed it was first a true Councell but after when it deposed Eugenius and chose Felix it was a diabolicall seditious Councell so called by the Lateran Councell Sessione 11. Now in verity tell me what zealous man is there of ours that doth not follow this example of M. Caluin And who will not to defend an article of our Fayth to wit That the Church may erre dissemble or equiuocate I will not say lye though the Scripture say Omnis homo mendax Euery man is a lyar which must be fulfilled somtimes especially in necessity and when is there more necessity then for the Ghospell to vexe the Papists that cry for truth and playne dealing forsooth Yes with them who hate vs and would destroy the Ghospell Now for M. Caluin who can once doubt but that he had a reuelation to deale thus with the Pope In his third booke of Institutions cap. 20. he saith The Papists in their hymnes and Letanies neuer make mētion of Christ but pray alwayes to dead men This doctrine our men teach also in their Pulpits taken as you see from M. Caluin This mads the Papists calling vs falsifiers vntrue dealers c. and that this is one of our ordinary lies becaus they say in their Letanies Lord haue mercy on vs Christ haue mercy on vs God the Father of heauen haue mercy on vs c. Alas this is only a poore shift put only for a shew but let them talke in the meane tyme what they will so long as the contrary is preached in our pulpits this makes the papists odious amongst the people Agayne in the same place he sayth They inuocate Saints as Gods They deny it Caluin and all our Brethren affirme it One Caluin one Melancthon one Minister of the Lord is to be belieued before a thousand Papists though it be in a point of their owne Religion I must let passe for breuity sake infinite other of our Ancients that haue giuen vs good example how to deale with the Pope and for my part I haue not beene backward like a towardly disciple to follow their example neyther will as long as I liue But now let vs looke vpō our own learned Countrymen in this busines of so great importance God be praysed there are so many I know not where to beginne Pitty it is I must leaue most of thē out or else I should make a volume as big as Iohn Foxes Acts and Monuments that graue simple and vpright man who is so falsly accused by that crafty Iesuite Parsons for telling in his Acts a thousand lyes and in three leaues 120. Belieue him who please for I le be hanged first vnlesse some of our owne Congregation will take the paines to shew me them First therefore I will beginne with Bishop Iewell a man of famous memory for deluding the Papists arguments In his booke called The defence pag. 7. he ioyneth the Manichees and Papistes togeather both forbidding Marriage and allowing of Fornication The Papists are madd deny it and esteeme it blasphemy agaynst the Church condemne his proofes as false which he brings out of Panormitan and others who only affirme that Fornication was not punished now so rigorously as in the primitiue times from thence they infer that the Bishop hath iniured belyed their doctrine falsified Panormitan and this they say in him is plaine But what saith the Iewel Alas he counts this answere as ridiculous Agayne D. Harding a notable old Papist affirmes he hath conuinced him of hundreds of lyes But were there tyme I could shew you how brauely he comes off of all Tush let the Papistes say what they please we will say with Paul 2. Cor. 3. We are called deceauers and yet we say truth The Reuerend Doctour Bishop aforsaid in another place obiects against them their priuate or sole Communion The Papists answere diuers wayes out of the ancient Fathers Basill and the monkes of Aegypt and I know not where But after all their labour marke I beseech you how wittily the Iewell answereth and confuteth them pittying their poore proofes If saith he M. Harding could find any thing in the Church he would not thus hunt after the mountaynes and flye for ayd into Egipt if he could find it neerer home Was not this a wise answere for so farre fetch a proofe Againe the Papists forsooth will not haue their Church to erre God must take heed of breaking his promise with them and they hould him to it Matth. 26. and Iohn 14. The gates of hell shall neuer preuayle against it I will be with you till the consummation of the world The holy Ghost shall remayne with you for euer with like authorities out of Scriptures and multitudes of Fathers and they thinke to kill it dead But marke the Iewell in this point how he answereth Harding You papists saith he say it standes not with Gods promise to forsake his Church a thousand yeares together now he plyes them It is not much for you openly the breake Gods commaundements to defyle his holy sanctuary to turne light into darkenes and yet neuertheles you will not sticke to binde him to his promise Here you see the Consciences of the Papists they may breake their promises transgresse the Law offende their God but God must not breake with them See how diuinely this learned Bishow quelleth the arguments of his importune aduersaries An answere it is certainly inspired by the Lord of truth and that of our Truth and not by the Deuill as the Romanists say Well I am sorry I must leaue out infinite places of this reuerend Bishop by which he hath taught me and many others to deale with the papists as they deserue but he is dead gone no doubt rewarded for his labours

A LETTER OF S. r HVMFREY LINDE To a Lady of great Worth much afflicted for Syr Humfreys sake hearing him ill spoken of for not answering the Whetstone and the Spectacles that were written agaynst his Via tuta AND Also for that he is greatly taxed for lying and corrupting of many Authours In which Letter he doth cleare himselfe Printed Anno M.DC.XXXIIII MADAME The affliction you endure for my sake is a sharpe Arrow shot euē to my hart and is not thence to be remoued vntill your griefe be remoued by this my Letter which I know to you who are so zealous a louer of the Word and hater of the Pope will giue aboundant satisfaction As for the Church-going Papists therefore and some other that are not of the purer sort of the reformed Church who as you say do dash you in the teeth with my lyes 150. and odd in my first Booke called Via tuta and the Lord knowes how many in my second called Via deuia so that when you would sound forth my euerlasting praises they stop your pure Mouth with my infinite numbers of corruptions shiftes Foxian Iewellian and Mortonian falsifications crying out that I haue had too printed Bookes sent me one called the Spectacles to see my way the other the Whetstone the iust reward of my desert for lying so egregiously with many other papers of like nature displaying my vntruthes Know deare Lady that a Brother or Sister that spring from the pure bowels of the reformed Church as your Honour and I doe must suffer much more then this by that vile deformed and Antichristian Crew the Wicked But now to the matter This only I request at your Honours hands that if you know any should be desirous before my printed Bookes come forth to receaue any further satisfaction then this my Letter to your Ladishippe will giue them they may be sent on the Lords name either to my owne House or to the Wine-Office where I and many of our learned and zealous brethren meete often about a further reformation of Religion desiring that not so much as a ragge of Popery may remayne in the House of the Lord neither Bells nor Organs Rochets or Myters square Caps or Surplisses Crosse or Image for I am assured a true Brother or Sister had rather see Antichrist himselfe then any of these nay we trust in the Lord to put the Word Catholicke out of the Creed as well as out of Tombe-stones and in place therof to say I belieue in the Reformed Church And though our enemyes shew that Lying is one of the Markes of our Church and that I for the glory of it haue told ouer againe all the lyes of M. Bell Fox Iewell White Morton and others in a new fashion yet all this notwithstanding I hope to giue any reasonable man full satisfaction For put case there hath beene now and then a slip or two and that out of the aboundance of my zeale I haue sometimes ouerlashed or stretched a point for the loue of the Ghospell I hope this will be no such Capitall Crime amongst the pure little Flocke who know right well what latitude may be vsed for the splendor of the Ghospell what our Elders and Fore-fathers in this kind haue done no learned knight can be ignorant What therfore I haue done was not without authority yea herein I haue tracked the very footsteps of the most famous D. Luther and the pure preacher of the word D. Caluin These were the lights sent from heauen it self to driue away the darke clouds of papistry These were they who made their doctrine odious to the world And wot you how why thus Those reuerend Fathers of our Church affirmed how Papists bragged of being able to keep Gods Commaundements without Gods grace how they put their trust in their owne Merits and not in Christs how they adored Bread Statues Images and Idols Now the Papists ashamed denyed it stoutly Againe those Reuerend Fathers affirmed it boldly so conuinced them What is not our affirmation a sufficient refutation of their deniall Sure I am this manner of arguinge hath beene allowed of this fourescore yeares in our Churches and pulpits When D. Luther tom de matrim f. 119. began to teach from aboue no doubt that this in Genesis Multiply and increase was not a Precept only but more then a Precept and that it was not within the power of a man to be without a woman And agayne that if the wife would not yield she should be sent packing marry Hesther put away Vasthi that if the husband were impotent the wife might marry another or with his consent lye secretly with his brother or some other man What did the Papists Oh it vexed them to heare of reformatiō they vrged Scripture too Matt. 5. where it is said that Whosoeuer dismisseth his wife vnles for fornication and marieth another committeth adultery But alas they haue not the spirit of interpreting Scriptures their old Fathers Grandsires were blinded and therfore according to his Tenet well sayth D. Luther Be it that the Church Augustine other Doctors Peter Apollo yea an Angell frō heauen teach otherwise yet is my doctrine such as setteth forth Gods only glory Nay he had authority from heauen to reprehend the Apostles themselues and to put in and out what he pleased of the holy Word of the Lord for so he himselfe affirmeth in his booke agaynst King Henry the 8. I am certayne sayth he I have my doctrine from heauen and yet marke the humility of the man it is not myne sayth he but Christes And therefore you see how afterwards King Henry obeyed him and his doctrine which he would neuer haue done had it not beene from God or had it not beene most pure and holy doctrine and therfore you may read how zealous King Henry became how purely and chastly he liued being conuerted from Popery Agayne D. Luther added to the Text Rom. 3. this word alone Man is iustifyed by fayth alone And this not without both authority from God as before you haue heard out of his owne mouth and no doubt do firmly belieue but also with great reason to wit to vexe the old Papists O this doth silence them this makes thē chafe and sweat Let them cry we falsify the Scripture I will study no further answere for them then this of D. Luthers which is neuer to be answered A Papist and an Asse are all one thinge So I will haue it so I commaund it my will must stand for a reason And good reason for thy Will was the Lords will and the Lords will was thy Will So in the 2. of Peter he hath thrust out good Workes as not beseeming these holy times when a liuely fayth excludeth all good Workes all counsels of Pouerty Chastity and Obedience Giue me fayth and let the Papists goe with their good Works and Restitutions whither they will I le none This doctrine we exactly follow and protest

we wil no more of the dead but of the liuing those no smal fooles I can tell you both in their owne our eyes Appeare then in thy likenes graue D. White as thy picture sheweth thee in thy last worke But now that is changed together with thy titles for thou art a Bishop and that well deseruing it that not for thy Lying as the Papists pretend but for thy witty writings against those thy inueterate Enemies as I shall make appeare most manifestly Obserue therfore O honourable Lady how wittily he brings their owne authors their Cardinalls and Fathers against themselues And first Cardinall Hosius in his expresso verbo Dei Expresse word of God who as the Bishop relateth in his reply to the Iesuite Fisher page 15. in the end and page 152. in the beginning hath this doctrine A man ought not to be learned in the Scriptures but taught of God it is labour lost to spend time in Scripture for it is but a creature yea an empty element it becomes not a Christian to be conuersant in Scripture Madame is not here Blasphemy doth not the Doctour iustly insult here ouer the Pope and the Iesuits his Bandoggs that barke continually against the pure louers of the Word who had rather see the diuell then a Iesuite or a Seminary Priest which I thanke the Lord for I euer thought to be monsters I was so purely educated in the house of the Lord euer harkening diligently how eloquently our Ministers continually reuiled them so that I haue beene bred vp with a holy hatred to them and with pure eyes lifted vp to heauen I prayse the Lord for it I still hate them as zealously as the good Recorder of Salisbury did the Image of God the Father which he valiantly brake in pieces although his legge almost his necke was broken for it out of malice infallibly of the deuill for his doing so good a deed But now to the answere of the Papists against the Doctour Forsooth they say this doctrine is not theirs and that Hosius hath not these wordes of his owne but relates them as the blasphemous wordes of the Swinckfeldian Sect called the Heauenly Prophets Swinckfeldius a Hater of Fryars and Monkes being their captayne and reprehends and censures them Yea Hosius himselfe being taxed therwith by some learned men of ours in his life time answers indeed the same and sayth that if he for his owne part should haue taught any such doctrine he had beene worthy to haue beene hanged vp in the market-place But alas this will not help them for what reason had our learned Doctour to take the paynes to search whether they were Hosius his wordes or no it was sufficient I hope for him to find them there and so finding them to take them and stop the Papists throtes with them in what sense soeuer Hosius spake them I assure you this was done most eloquently or rather spiritually to make the Papists know they deale with men of Authority and such as know how to vexe a Papist and delude their arguments bring their owne best Authours agaynst themselues This I assure you Madame is now all in all amogst our learned Writers I hope I haue plaied my part herin as shal be seen anone as well as the best of thē But this Bishop hath not left them so I trow No he hath yet layd another of their Red caps doctrine open consequently of theirs to wit Bellarmines Although sayth Bellarmine the Bookes of the Apostles and Prophets be diuine yet should I not certaynly belieue them except I haue before hand belieued the Scripture for also in sundry places of Mahomets Alcaron we read that the same was of God from Heauen and yet we do not belieue it Thus M. Bellarmine But now behold M Doctour how wittily he catcheth this graue Cardinall in his owne trap Orthodox pag. 136. he makes the Cardinall say thus A man is not bound to belieue the Scripture to be diuine because the Scripture it selfe sayth so more then one is bound to belieue the Alcaron to be of God because in many places thereof we read that it was sent from heauen of God Behould the excellency of this Doctors wit how cunningly he reprehends the Cardinall of blasphemy agaynst the Word of God O Madame this is a thing that nips the Iesuits to the hart makes them scratch their heads to defend their Cardinall behold when all is done what a poore shift they are forced to fly vnto They are fayne to say forsooth that this Reuerend Doctour is a most egregious lyar and falsifier of Bellarmine Yes forsooth if we would follow their Counsell D. White should be forced to do Pennance and make restitution to Bellarmine for his iniurious defamation leauing out those words except I haue before hand belieued the Scripture But I warrant you the Doctour is wise inough and we too Wee le haue nothing to do with their Pennances and Restitutions they are things as hatefull vnto vs as the Masse it selfe Let them count vs falsifiers lyers deceauers and the lyke they shall find we are no such men but true zealous professours of the Word such as know how to beat downe Popery as well as the best And as for the Bishop himselfe howsoeuer they alleadge he had his Bishopricke for lying let them know that had he not sold as they say he hath his library to rayse his family and prouide for his children neuer to be stayned with the least spot of Popery he had answered the Nine-Reasons long before this Now Madame crauing your patience for I know your Goodnes will neuer thinke that time to long which is spent in reuewing the witty proceedings of our learned Doctours enter D. Morton Bishop of Durham for nimblenes of wit in this kind inferiour to none None more taxed by the Wicked then he for corruption lying shifting and falsifying in one Booke 600. But let them talke he is rare in interpreting learned Authors according to his owne sense he can make them speake as pleases himselfe and for paying the Papists home with scoffes taunts iests none more excellent then he and thus he is able to put the best of them to silence with all their Scriptures Fathers and Authorities One way of arguing I haue learned of him and it is a rare one indeed to wit to bring the Papists owne obiections for their solutions as you may see in the 4. page of his Discouery where he citeth a text of Gratiam causa 15 cap. 99 gloss 4. If I haue sworne to pay any money to one excommunicated after my oath I am not bound to pay it him the reason is because we ought to vexe euill men by what meanes soeuer to the end they may cease from doing ill Where if you marke in these last wordes we haue authority by their own Authors to vexe them all we can being a wicked people Now it is true that the words of