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A91797 Some briefe considerations on Doctor Featley his book, intituled, The dipper dipt, wherein in some measure is discovered his many great and false accusations of divers persons, commonly called Anabaptists, with an answer to them, and some brief reasons of their practice. In seven sections, viz. I. Dr. Featley his secret and haynous accusing the honourable Parliament. II. That he is guilty of greater errors, than to go into the water to be dipt. ... VI. Some reasons alledged against infants being baptized. A question proposed to consideration, that if it be an error to be baptized again, whether the punishment, some would have inflicted upon them, and some have suffered, be not too great? VII. How many sorts of Anabaptists he saith there are, and what they hold. Whereunto is added, what is conceived the Doctors mysticall frontispiece may more properly declare. / By Samuel Richardson. Richardson, Samuel, fl. 1643-1658. 1645 (1645) Wing R1414; Thomason E270_22; ESTC R212288 20,332 22

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freely confesse it and I perceive the Doctor hath skill in one tongue that will never doe him good and I desire to be ignorant of it but one may wonder that he so much inveyeth against illiterate men seeing he saith in p. 200. that God in the first planting of the Gospel made use of illiterat men that all may know that he that planteth and he that watereth is nothing and further saith p. 14. I confesse we read of one Fumentius a lay-man who in his travels converted many to the Christian Faith and Dr. Fulk confesseth in his Confutation of the Rhemist Testament of a woman that converted a great many of them who lived in the Island to which place she was carried captive But Dr. Featley saith the learnedst men have proved the worthiest Instruments bravely spoken 2 Cor. 10. 17 18. the summe is therefore now all illiterate men must for ever hold their peace at least in England and in case any travell into any Island where there are some unconverted if there be no Doctors there illiterate men may see what God will do by them But the Doctor chargeth the Anabaptists p. 10. to be uncertain of their grounds because sometimes they plead one thing and sometimes another Answ. No variety of grounds and reasons against a thing may arise from the clear discovery of the truth to them and from fulnesse of perswasion in the judgement as illiterate men conceive But saith the Doctor in his Epistle the Separation and Anabaptists upbraid the State with their merit in hazarding their lives and estates in these present wars Answ. No such matter they do but only declare their loyalty to the State being urged to it by some who falsly accuse them to be enemies to the State and I conceive they accuse them to be enemies out of a desire that they be lesse friends to it and some conceive the Doctor and such as he is seek the destruction of the State in seeking to deprive the State of the help of many who are faithfull and loyall to it But saith he Anabaptisme was condemned long since by the Greek and Latine Churches mark how the Doctor bears himself upon humane authority then it seems you cannot say it is condemned by Jesus Christ in his Word but the Doctor confesseth that generall Councels have sometimes most grossely mistaken error for truth and Idolatry for true Religion p. 92. then it 's no wonder if the Doctor erre with his Greek and Latine Church and seeing the Doctor affirms that the example of Christ and his Apostles doth not bind us without a precept p. 37 38. with what reason or conscience doth he urge against us yea and against Christs command his Greek and Latine Churches without a precept doth he not set them herein above Christ himself The Papists pretend antiquity and brag of their universality against the truth Wee know error is ancient and spreading but truth was before error and baptizing by dipping was before baptizing by sprinkling he may name to us as many men as he pleaseth but hee must tell us where it is so written in the Scriptures so as we may reade it before we shall believe them Luke 10. 26. But the Doctor chargeth us in his book with many things that we hold That no malefactor ought to be put to death That it is lawfull to have more wives then one at once That a man may put away his wife if shee differ from him in point of religion That we are to goe naked and not be ashamed That we hold it lawfull to slay wicked Magistrates That no Christian may goe to law but right himselfe by violent means That wicked men have no propriety in their goods but all things ought to be held in common That we maintain pretended Revelations That Christ took not flesh of the virgin Mary That there is no originall sinne That men have free will in spirituall actions That election is for foreseen faith and repentance That God gives all men sufficient grace to be saved That a man hath free will of himself to accept or refuse grace That Christ died indifferently alike for all That a true beleever may fall away from grace totally and finally And that wee hold Libertinisme Familisme and such like stuffe which we utterly abhorre and detest and if God permit wee shall in the next impression of the Confession of our Faith more fully declare jointly what we believe and therefore I will not answer his exceptions which he makes at some of the Articles but leave it to them to answer for themselves which will be ere long if God permit but sure I am all this poyson which he chargeth upon us is drawn out of the impure fountaine of divers Heretikes in which he laboureth to drown us in and I wonder how his conscience would permit him to heave so many untruths into the Presse but as Christ saith Iohn 16. 2. and he was encouraged by Sleiden Gabriel Abres Alstedius and others oh me thinkes I heare the Presse grone if not sweat under the burden of so many heavie charges and sure his grones will be much greater when God opens his eyes and shews him what he hath done which the Lord in mercy doe if it be his will I hope I may say as Christ did Father forgive him for he knowes not what he hath done Matth. 5. 44. ●1 12. Sect. IV. Whererin appeares in the Doctors disputation his subtilty and pride AFter he had condemned the point in question for an error the Doctor saith I could wish you had brought Scholars with you who know how to dispute which I perceive you cannot do Answ. Observe how before he disputes hee vilifies the point in question and those that maintain it But saith the Doctor there are but two wayes of disputing first by authority secondly by reason First by authority if you will dispute in Divinity you must be able to produce the Scriptures in the originall language Answ. But why may you not as well say none can dispute in divinity unlesse they can produce the same copy of the Scriptures which the Apostles wrote and seeing you cannot do that you are not fit to dispute your self for saith hee in translations there may be and are errors for no translation is are simply authenticall and the undoubted Word of God We may say the same of your Hebrew and Greek copies seeing you cannot produce the first copy how know you but your copies are written and printed false see pag. 109. Can no Writer if he pleaseth write contrary to his copy as for printing I may say the same printing is not above 250. yeers standing Dr. Fulk in confutation of the Rhemist Testament justifieth the English translation of the Bible and you have the same reason to doubt of the writing or printing of your copy as wee of our translation and if you may depend upon the Writer or Printer of your copies why may not we do the same
we may know some after the flesh that is in a fleshly consideration but that is contrary to 2 Cor. 5. 16. Phil. 3. 45. 10. This abuseth the Word of God by making every believer to come in the place of Abraham and so assuming to each believer to be the Father of the faithfull yea the woman to have this priviledge which never any believer had besides Abraham Now they say if one of them be a believer the woman and not the man yet this promise they wil apply to her seed Gal. 3. 29. not considering that the parents themselves though believers come not in the place of Abraham but in the place of his seed it 's an high contempt of Jesus Christ as he is the husband of his Church to force upon him a natural wife himself being spiritual to found the Church upon naturall birth 11. It tends to overthrow this doctrine that the matter of the Church of Christ to be Saints living stones contrary to 1 Pet. 2. 5. 9. Ephes. 2. 19. 20. 21. 22. 46. 1 Cor. 12. 12 13 25 26 27. Eph. 5. 25. 26. 27. John 4. 23. Acts 20. 28. P●… 17. 14. the naturall posterity of beleevers are not so much as in appearance such 12. This inforceth such matter upon the Church as tends to the destruction of the form of it and bring the Saints in bondage for to found the Church of Christ upon naturall birth seeing to one born in the Spirit there appears to be twenty born in the flesh what then the major voice is like in a small time to be the worst and so oppresse those who are borne the second time it 's apparent it 's the next way to make the Church become carnall and tends to a Nationall Church And how shall the lesser voyce in the Church cast out the greater if they sin 13. It tends to make Gods holy ordinance a lying signe to confirm that which visibly is not secret things belong to God and revealed things to us Deut. 29. 29. and seeing such infants appeare not to have any right in the covenant they are not to have the seal of the covenant it being against the light of nature to set a seal to a blank And that any should have a visible right to the seals c. and yet not godly is strange doctrine 14. It tends to prove either that infants may eat the Lords Supper it being in the same nature end and use for kind or else that the Church may withhold from the members the priviledges ordinances of the same this is to acknowledge them fit for union who are not fit for comunion wth the church and seeing it puts an infant into a state of grace and remission of sinnes before calling contrary to 2 Tim. 1. 9. Acts 26. 28. Rom. 8. 30. Heb. 9. 15. And it constitutes them visible members of Christs body before calling contrary to 1 Pet. 2. 9. Rom. 6. 7. 1 Cor. 1. 2. It upholds a Nationall Church as Circumcision did of old contrary to Rev. 1. 20. And it maintains infants of beleevers to be born in a covenant of grace and to have a right to a promise of life in Christ Jesus contrary to Rom. 9. 9. 7. 8. Gal. 3. 9. 26. 28. 29. Rom. 9. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. Psal. 51. 5. John 3. 6. Eph. 2. 3. And it maintains that grace is intaild to generation and not regeneration contrary to John 3. 5. 6. And it holdeth that beleeving Gentiles naturall seed have a right to the promise of life before faith is received contrary to Gal. 3. 21. John 1. 12. 13. And that infants of beleevers may bee saved by their parents faith contrary to Heb. 2. 4. Gal. 3. 11. And crosseth Christs commission first to sprinkle them and after to teach them contrary to Matth 28. 19. Mark 16. 15. And declareth that beleevers infants are fit subjects of baptisme before faith and repentance is manifested contrary to Acts 2. 38. 8. 36. 37. And crosseth the practice of the Apostolicall Churches Acts 2. 41 they that gladly received the word were dipped Acts 8. 12. 36 37 38. Acts 10. 47 48 16. 15. 33. Therfore we cannot conceive that this their exposition is right of the 17. of Genesis To conclude many of our opposites confesse there is no expresse command or example to baptize infants and that infants sprinkled by one of the Priests is sufficient baptisme and yet they cannot tell us where wee may find the place of Scripture where we may read it that it is so as they say but if any desire further satisfaction I referre them to John Spilsbery's book of Baptisme and other books of the same subject A question proposed to consideration that if it be an error to be baptized in the River whether the punishment some would inflict upon them and some have suffered for it be not too great SUppose infants sprinkling to be sufficient dipping and some were not so perswaded because they cannot find the place in the Scripture where they may read it that it is sufficient as Luke 10. 26. is this so great an evill that for this a man shall be more hated and suffer more from some men then the basest livers where they dwell because they went into the river to be ducked dipt and that but once more then they needed Is this so heynous an offence as to turne a beleever into an heretick and sufficient to deprive them of all hope of salvation and of breathing in the aire of their native countrey shall this one act of theirs turn a tender heart into hardnesse and be sufficient to accuse them of all errors and blasphemies and turn neer kindred and entire loving friends to bee bitter enemies and force an unwilling separation of husband and wife who are but one in affection and relation and the little ones who know not the right hand from the left shall they also suffer hunger cold and nakednesse and their posterity beg their bread and if it be possible bee more miserable then themselves because their progenitors were stripped of all and could by no meanes obtain so much favour as to enjoy the fruit of their labours which they sweat for but in stead thereof have been confined where they might have a dying life and after that suffer death pag. 70. and all this for so small a fault if any at all Matth. 19. 29. But they should consider Rom. 14. 23. what is not of faith is sinne and that which hath no precept or example cannot bee done in faith Sect. 7. Doctor Featley his three sorts of Anabaptists and what they maintain DOctor Featley saith Alstedius maketh 14 sorts of Anabaptists yet there are but 3. to whom the name properly appertaineth p. 24. Ans. Then you have done very improperly and unworthily scarce honestly to stretch your conscience to make the world beleeve there are 14. sorts by 15. pictures in the title of your book if this be equall dealing