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A40795 A discourse of infallibility with Mr. Thomas White's answer to it, and a reply to him / by Sir Lucius Cary late Lord Viscount of Falkland ; also Mr. Walter Mountague (Abbot of Nanteul) his letter against Protestantism and his Lordship's answer thereunto, with Mr. John Pearson's preface. Falkland, Lucius Cary, Viscount, 1610?-1643.; Pearson, John, 1613-1686.; Chillingworth, William, 1602-1644.; Montagu, Walter, 1603?-1677.; Triplett, Thomas, 1602 or 3-1670.; White, Thomas, 1593-1676. Answer to the Lord Faulklands discourse of infallibility. 1660 (1660) Wing F318; ESTC R7179 188,589 363

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