Selected quad for the lemma: book_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
book_n	believe_v	church_n	faith_n	3,375	5	5.6334	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A96167	An answer to W.R. his narration of the opinions and practises of the churches lately erected in Nevv-England. Vindicating those Godly and orthodoxall churches, from more then an hundred imputations fathered on them and their church way, by the said W.R. in his booke. Wherein is plainely proved, 1. That the grounds of his narration are sandie and insufficient. 2. That the maner of his handling it, unloving and irregular. 3. That the matter of it, ful of grosse mistakes & divers contradictions. 4. That the quotations extremely wrested, and out of measure abused. 5. That his marginall notes impertinent and injurious. / By Thomas Welde, Pastour of the Church of Roxborough in Nevv-England. This is licensed and entred according to order.	Weld, Thomas, 1590?-1662.	1644 (1644)	Wing W1262; Thomason E3_18; ESTC R2769	70,175	76

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thing_n it_o be_v more_o remarkable_a he_o shall_v be_v thus_o extreme_o leave_v to_o confound_v himself_o while_o he_o seek_v to_o confound_v our_o poor_a innocent_a church_n let_v any_o careful_o observe_v in_o all_o these_o thing_n mention_v whether_o i_o have_v not_o deal_v candid_o with_o he_o or_o no._n art_n 2._o he_o report_v 1_o that_o one_o church_n may_v give_v power_n to_o another_o over_o any_o of_o her_o member_n for_o excommunication_n 2_o that_o the_o minister_n of_o one_o church_n may_v convey_v power_n to_o the_o minister_n of_o another_o for_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n answer_n neither_o of_o both_o which_o do_v we_o hold_v or_o practice_v the_o only_a author_n cite_v that_o we_o can_v come_v at_o be_v cot._n cat._n p._n 7._o who_o word_n be_v these_o the_o supper_n be_v dispense_v by_o the_o minister_n to_o the_o faithful_a of_o the_o same_o church_n or_o to_o such_o as_o be_v commend_v to_o they_o by_o a_o like_a body_n see_v if_o here_o be_v 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