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sentence Deut. 12.31 for my case being like to that of Moyses I dare say with Moyses and our very enemies are iudges It is agreed vpon betwixt vs both how necessarie a poynt our saluation is being for all eternity and therefore I will saue labour to cite scripture in proofe of that which is by neither part denied but in vaine is the scope and end of a thing granted if wee differre in the meanes to attayne it the meanes I assure my selfe you will say is the word of God which I deny not but let vs not thinke the Ghospell to be in the wordes of the scripture but in the sense not in the out side but in the inside or marrow not in the leaues of the wordes but in the sapp pith or root of reason other wyse euen the Deuill himselfe speaketh Scripture cap 1● 1● and all heresies according to that of Ezechiel make vnto them selues pillowes which they may lae vnder the elbow of euerie age and to gu●y you a tast hereof for this matter concerning my soule nerely I haue bestowed some diligent search herein consider with me I pray you how of auncient tyme the old hereticke Marcion found meanes to reiect both Moyses and all the Prophets and what did he pretend cap. 10.7 Surelie Scripture to witt that of Sainct Iohn hovv many soeuer haue come before me are theeues and robbers the Armenians also taught that the whole femal sex of women should be wholy extinct and that vvee should all ryse in the last iudgment in the state of man and what vvas their ground cap. ● 13 Scripture also to witt that to the Ephesians vntill vvee all meet in the vnitie of faith and knovvledge of the sonn of God into a perfect man The Mainchers also proued our Sauiour to be this materiall sunne vvhich vvee dayly see with our eyes and what colour had they scripture also Iohn 8.12 to vvitt where our Sauiour saith I am the light of the vvorld how did the Waldenses proue that euen a lavvfull iudge or Magistrate could not put to death the greatest Malefactour that vvas Exod. 20.13 by scripture Thou shalt not Kill by Scripture also the Circumcellians held that euery Christian might not only murther his fellovv but lay violent hands vpon himselfe for say they it is vvritten Iohn 12.25 he that hateth his life in this vvorld doth keepe it to lyfe euer lasting Thus out of these few to omitt many moe wee see how all heretiques like serpentes in imitation of that old serpent the Deuill who came with scripture euen to our Sauiour himselfe do lurks vnder the tree of knowledge I mean the scripture that so they may more cunningly conueigh their deadly poyson and surely though these examples of auncient tymes were sufficient to teach euery man humility seeing as a prudent man doth well obserue he that will need be his ovvne Scholler hath commonly a fooll to his master yet wantes there not neither sufficient occasion euen in our tymes to be carefull in this so waighty a businesse for how shall I thinke the protestantes in these dayes to agree vpon the true sense of scripture when they cannot a gree about the translation it selfe which must be the grownd where vpon they worke by which dissention also they shew themselues to haue descended in doctrine from these old heretiques in the primitiue church For doth the protestant beleeue the scriptures not to be receaued so fully and wholy as the Catholicke or as it pleaseth him papist doth but rather certayne chapters and bookes which seeme to him or rather indeed to this braine sicke phansie not so a greable to the purity of the ghospell to be cutt of and excluded the number of holy writt the same did the Carpocratians Seuerians and Manichees who condemned all the old testament as a thing fayned from an euill beginning a●d yet certainlie not without scripture as you may set in the example of Marcion first produced In lyke manner Cerdon denyed all the Euangelistes except S. Luke Cerinthus all except S. Mathevv the Seuerians also tooke away the Actes of the Apostles and with the Ebionites all the epistles of S. Paul the Alogians likewise esteemed the Apocalypse of S. Iohn for an inuention of Cerinthas Now that you are one with these at least in this point of mayming scripture is manifest for do not the most excellent of your whole clergy and first publishers of your ghospell Zuinglius Oecolampadius Illiricus and the Magdeburgenses exclude many of the Apostles epistles from all communione of holy scripture vnder pretence of examining it by the rule of the deuyne worde Certainly they can by no meanes dissemble it in the epistles of S. Iohn Iude Iames and S. Paul to the Hebrevves which in this my compendium were to longe to proue at large but to come yet more nere you Do not also your later Doctoures in this especially imitate these their predecessours yes most exactly as heere is sufficiently confirmed In the fourth disputation had with F. Campian the Iesuit in the tower of London your Doctoures did expresly censure these bookes by the authority only of fower or siue to be Apocriphall to witt the booke of vvisdome Syrach Iudith Toby the 4. bookes of Esdras Baruch Ecclesiasticus Hester and the Machabees in the new testament the ghospell of S. Luke S. Paul to the Hebrevves the second epistle of S. Peter the tvvoe last epistles of S. Iohn S. Iames and the Apocalypse Luther also calls the epistle of S. Iames a strawen epistle and of no truth and not worthy the spirit of an Apostle All which compared together your Doctours in this opinion of paring scripture cannot but drinke of the same cuppe with those old condemned heretiques But after seeing their folly and that they could by no means defend what thus rashly they had enterprized by often mutation and change they came to that text which you now haue but yet euen to this day with what dubitation this is done and correction or rather to speake truth corruption their often impressions doe manifestly testifie and I thinke you are not ignorant how many seuerall translations there haue beene within these few yeeres I can remember thee since my first acquaintance with London which mutabilitie plainly argueth they are those fond builders of whome our Sauiour maketh mention are shaken with euery blast because they build not vpon the rocke which is the church The piller and firmament of truth 1. Tim. 3.15 But vpon the shallow sandes of their owne vnsetled braines and this I speake not of my selfe but by the testimony of themselues which you may see more conuenient and at large hereafter yet it shall not be discomodious if in the meane tyme wee examine one of their chiefest linguists in England M. Broughton therfore in his epistle to the Lordes of the councell desireth them to procure speedily a new translation because that saith he vvhich is
these bookes to be canonicall Cōcerning e Apol. 2. adu Ruffinum in Prolog S. Hierome lie answereth and explaineth himself saying truly I did not set downe what I thought but what the Hebrewes are accustomed to say against vs heerein calling there further Ruffinus e Apol. 2. adu Ruffinum in Prolog a foolish Sycophant for mistaking and charging him with the Hebrewes opinion Also in another place he most expresly placeth the f in Machab in praefat in bookes of Machabees reiected by the Hebrewes amonge the stories of Deuyne Scripture And in another place he saieth of g Iudith Iudith the booke of Iudith among the Hebrewes is read among holy writinge whole authoritie is not iudged so sit to confirme things that are in contention c. but because the councell of Nice is said to haue reckoned this booke in the number of holy Scripture I rest content c. Secondly it is euident that in the primitiue Church the canonicall Scriptures were not generally receaued all at once but in so great varietie of pretended Scriptures sundry bookes were for the tyme misdoubted or by some Fathers and Councels omitted or not receaued which yet afterwardes vpon better search and consideration they were generally acknowledged To conclude this point heare M. Bilson Lord Bishop of W●nchester saying h in his Suruey of Ch●ists sufferings c. anno 1604. pag. 664. the Scriptures were not fully receaued in all places no not in Eusebius tyme. he saith that the epistles of Iames Iude the 2. Peter and 2. Iohn are contradicted as not writen by the Apostles the epistle to the Hebrewes was for a while contradicted c. the Churches of Syria did not receaue the 2 Peter nor 2. Iohn the epistle of Iude nor the Apocalypse c. the like might be said for the Churches of Arabia will you hence therefore conclude that these parts of scripture were not Apostolicall or that wee need not receaue them now because they were formerly doubted off c so fully doth M. Bilson answere our Aduersaries like vsuall obiections against the Machabees and the other bookes of the old testament now in question But the authoritie of the Church only as is by our Aduersaries confessed might satisfie vs at least in this poynt for M. Iewel saith defence 1. of his Apolog pag. 201. edition an 1571. pag. 241. the church of God had the spirit of wisdome wherby to discerne true scripture from false the protestant author of the scripture and the church whome Bullinger so greatly cōmendeth in his preface thereof to the reader doth affirme k Cap. 15. fol. 71 71. cap. 16 fol. 74. 75. that wee could not belieue the ghospell were it not that the church taught vs and witnessed that this doctrine was deliuered by the Apostles THE X ARTICLE The protestantes pretence of only Scripture is friuolous and idle a In his Suruey c pag 219. It hath euer bene the cōmon practice and deceipt of almost all Nouellistes to pretend only scripture vsinge it as theire laste and only refuge thereby to continue theire contentions and to exempt themselues from all other finall iudgmentes whatsoeuer In this sorte Beza himselfe is noted to euade witnes M. Bancroft Sayinge a How Beza discrediteth himselfe sayinge if any man shall oppose against my exposition the authoritie of certaine fathers I appeale to the word of God whereuppon M. Bancroft inferreth sayinge how cranke is Beza wth the auncient fathers The Brownists of Amsterdam saye to M. Balsons allegations from the fathers b Apologie print 1604. pag 103. Let M. Bilson wth these Doctors know that vnles they can proue by the word of God their Prelacie c. all the colour they bring oute of former times and writers is of no moment in this case M. Hooker saieth of the c Eccl policie in his preface page 38. Anabaptiste the booke of God they for the most part so admired that other disputation against their opinions then only by allegatiō of scripture they would not heare d ●b de Christe natura pag. 2. In this sort doth Socinus a protestant against volanus his protestant aduersarie giue the stipp in defence of his errour against the diuinitie of Christe saying To what purpose should I answere that wich thou borrowest from the Papistes c. especially where thou opposest to vs the perpetuall Consent of the Church very exellently doubtlese in this behalfe hath Hosius the Papist discoursed against you wounding you with your owne sword and therefore you are no lesse saf in vrging against me the Churches perpetuall consent then are the Papistes in their vrging thereof both against you and vs And alitle further he saith e Pag. 222. wee set before vs in this Questiō concerning the diuinitie of Christ none for Master or interpreter but only the holy Ghost c. for wee do not thinke that wee are to stande to the iudgment of any man though neuer so learned of any Coūcell though in shew neuer so holy lawfully assembled of any visible Church though neueuer so perfect and vniuersall Euen Volanus him selfe disputing against the Iesuites is forced to make vse of the examples sayinges and deedes of Athanasius Hierome Augustine Theodoret other fathers whose authoritie he now opposeth against vs as sacred Thus much haue I thought good to remember that Volanus may rereaue answere from him selfe whē he so often inferreth against vs the authoritie of learned mē Cōsent of the Churche Thus farr Socinus Insomuch that A certaine Englih protestāt author of the treatise entituled A briefe answere to certaine obiections against the descentiō of Christ into hell printed at Oxford by Ioseph Barnes where he saieth reproueth this other protestāt brother sayinge where you saywe must build our faith one the word of faith tyinge vs to the scripture only you giue iust occasiō to think that you neither haue the auntict fathers of Christes Churche not their sonnes succeding thē agreeing whith you in this point which implieth a defēce of some strange Paradox these likewise he This kind of tergiuersation vnder pretense of only scripture is and hath bene so infinitly tedious to protestantes them selues so euidently the only meanes wherby to vpholde all theire dissentions yet daylie renewinge and vprisinge that M. Hooker faieth M. f preface of his Ec. po icie lect 6. pag. 28. 29. ●era in his laste booke but one professeth him selfe to be now wearie of such Combates and encounters whether by word or writing in so much that he findeth that Controuersies are therby made but braules therefore wisheth that in some comō lawfull assēbly of Churches all these thyftes may be at once decreed Luther himselfe calleth the scripture g Hosias ●ib 3 cōtra R●cutud see it also 〈◊〉 A booke for heretikes And others of his cōfederates h A Ianus Cope Dialog b. c. 19 1. A Nose of wax a phrase
350. saith e in Thesauro vt D. thocitat in opusculo de erroribus Grec wee ougth to stick to our head the Pope of Rome it perteineth vnto all to aske of him what to belieue what to hold S. Chrysostome anno 380. saith f homil vlt. in Ioannem S. Peter is a master placed over the whole world by our Sauiour Tertullian anno 200 saith g lib de praescript haeret That wee ought not to dispute with heretiques out of the Scripture because the true vnderstanding of Scripture is frō the Catholicke church therefore it ought first to be manifest what is the true doctrine of the Catholick Church but this can by no means be better knowne then in the Churches of the Apostles the chiefest where of is the Roman Church S. Cyprian anno 240. saith h lib. 1. epist 1. that heresies and schismes spring from nother cause then because the priest of God is not obeyed nor one priest for the tyme in the church iudge in the place of Christ is thought on S Ambrose anno 380. i Epist 10 writing to the Eemperour Valēt ne the younger who being corrupted by the Arriās would iudg of matters of faith saith But certenly if wee obserue either the order of devyne scripture or the course of auncient tymes who can deny but that Bishops in matters of faith I say in matters of faith were wont to iudge of Christian Emperours that is of their faith and not Emperours of Bishops that is of their faith thy Father a man of riper age said it be longeth not vnto me to iudge of Bishops now thy clemencie saith I ought to iudge Et infra if there be-any thing to be handled concerning faith that conference doth belong vnto priestes as it was done vnder Constātine a prince of famous memory heire of thy fathers dignitie but what hath bene well begunne is other wise cōsummated For Bisthops did first giue the true and syncere faith but when some would iudge of faith with in theire palaces they did effect by circumuensiō that the iudgmēt of Bishops might be chāged S. Hierome anno 380. saith k in epist ad Damasum I beseech your holynes the Pope by Christ crucified the saluation of the world by the holy trinitie that there be authoritie giuen me by your letters either that I councell or affirme three Hypostases And in an other place he saith l lib. 1. cōt Iouin out of Twelue one is chosen that a head being constituted occasion of Schisme might be taken away S. Augustine anno 400 saith m lib. 1. cont Crescouium cap. 23. whosoeuer doth feare to be deceaued through the obscuritie of this question let him aske councell of the Church which the holy scripture doth demonstrate with out any ambiguitie or doubting And againe n cont epist fundamenti cap. 5. But I saith he would not belieue the ghospell if the authority of the church did not compell me There be many moe of this kind which for breuities sake I omitt not doubting but these may suffice only receaue this testimonie from S. Austine that these fathers do not teach any new opinion or doctrine of their owne but what they haue receaued from the Apostles and primitiue Church it self o lib. 2. cont Iulianū Pelagianum The auncient Fathers saith he sought not frindship with vs or you nor yet were at enmity with either of vs with vs or you they were not offended neither did they pittie either of vs but what they found in the Church that they held what they had Learned that they taught what themselues had Learned of their forefathers the same they deliuered to their children For heretickes alleadging of authoritie or Scripture for the most parte the saying of S. Cyprian may suffice p de vnitate ecclesiae cap. 9. O corruptor of the Apostle and false interpreter the first wordes thou puttest downe but omittest that which followeth as thou thy self art cutt of from the church so thou cuttest away one sentence frō one little chapter THE 7. ARTICLE Scripture neuer called in Question amongst Catholickes a The fiue bookes of Moyses Iosue Ruth 4. bookes of kinges Paralapomenon 2. bookes of Esdras Nehemias sob the psalter of 150. psalmes prouerbes Ecclesiastes canticles 4. greater Prophets 12 lesser 4 Euangelistes the Actes of the Apostles 13. epistles of S. Paul besides that to the Hebrewes to other epistles one of S. Peter the other of S. Iohn THE 8. ARTICLE Scripture some tyme called in Question b Hester Baruch part of Daniel Toby Iudith wisdome Ecclesiasticus first secund of machabees certaine partes of S Marke Luke Iohn the epistle to the Hebrewes the epistle of S. Iames the last of S Peter the epistle of Iude part of the first of S. Iohn 2. 3. of S Iohn and the Apocalipse But now all proued to to cannonical THE 9. ARTICLE Scripture neuer admitted by the Catholicke church THe prayer of Manasses 3. 4. of Esdras 3. 4 of Machabees psalme 151 the appendix of the booke of Iob. the booke of Hermes called the pastor Now to omitt all out Aduersaries idle obiections without any proofe the Catholick thus proueth his scripture S. Austine saith a de Doctr●n● Christiana l. 2 c. 8. the whose cannon of Scripture is cōteyned in these bookes The fiue bookes of Moyses c. Iob Toby Hester ●●…h and the 2. bookes of Machabees twoe bookes of Es●●…as c and these 2. bookes wherof the one is called wisdom the other Ecclesiasticus for a certaine similitude called the bookes of Salomon for it is most certenly affirmed that ●e●us the son of Syrach did write them which not withstanding because they are thought worthy of Authoritie they are to be numbred amongst the Prophets the rest are c. these S. Austine Also the third councell of Charthage at which S. Austine was present saith b Cinou 47. See the lyke accompt by Innocēt in epist ad Ex ●p●rum and Selasius tom 1 concil in decret with 7● B●s●●● by Isch● l ● ●●●●olog c 1 by Rab●nus l. 2. instit clericorum by Cassiod●● l 2. d●●m l●ct●onē See it is thought good that nothing be read in the Church vnder the name of deuyne Scripture besides the Canonicall Scriptures the Canonicall scriptures are Genesis Exodus Leuiticus c the fiue bookes of Salomon c. Toby Iudith Hester 2. bookes of Esdras 2 bookes of Machabees c. Wheras out Aduersaties obiect that c Origē in eo ad Iuliū Articanū Origen d hom 1. in leuiticum Epiphamus c S. Hierome affirme the Machabees Ecclesiasticus Toby and other bookes of the old Testament to be Apocryphall it is answered ther vnto first that the Fathers in those places do not speake of there owne opinion but do only repeat what was the opinion of the Hebrewes and what bookes they thought Canonicall these three Fathers do defend
ill beseeminge the scripture and word of the holy Ghost howsoeuer wrested and abused by wicked men Likewise Beza himselfe saith i Beza praeface to his booke intituled ad octi colioqu●j mōtis vel ga●bi●esis respons p●rt 1. pag 2. Let all those thinges be submitted to the Iudgmēt of all learned and orthodoxall deuines especially of a free holy and lawfull Synod yf God shall at any tyme graunt any M Hocker saith againe k Hooker vbi supra pag. 26. what successe God may giue to any such kinde of conference or disputation wee cānot tell but wee are right sure of this that Nature scripture and experiēce haue all taught the world to seeke for the endinge of cōtentions by submitting it selfe to some iudiciall and definitiue sentēce where vnto neither parte that contendeth may vnder any pretence refuse to stand And a little further l pag. 28. see also the title in M D. Concil examē c. pag. 2. 3 4. 5 the also M. B. lo● in his perpetuall gouer●ment c pag. 370. 372. 374. The will of God is to haue thē doe whatsoeuer the sentence of a iudiciall and finall decision shall determin yea though it seeme in theire priuate opinion to swarue vtterly from that which is right c and that without this it is impossible wee should auoide confusion or euer hope to attaine peace And certainly our aduersaries hearein doe but accordinge to the wholsome admonition of S. Austine sayinge The veritie of scripture is holden of vs when we doe that which pleaseth the vniuersall Church which the authoritie of the same scripture cōmendeth and a little after he saieth m Austine tom 7. lib. 1. cap 33. whosoeuer feareth to be deceaued in the obscuritie of this question lett him aske councell concerninge it of the Church which the holy scripture pointeth vnto whout any ambiguitie M. Whitaker acknowledgeth that the question concerning canonicall scripture is to vs determined n Adu stap l. 2. c. 6 p. 270. 57. lib 2. c. 4. pag 300. 298 14. 15 against M. VVilli● Reignolds pag 44 See the same in M. Hooker ca. 3. ● 8. pag. 247. not by testimony of the spirit which saith he being priuate secret is vnsit to teach resell others But as he confesseth by ecclesiasticall tradition An argument saieth he whereby may be argued and cōuinced what bookes are canonicall and what are not The Protestāt author of the treatise of the authoritie of the scripture and the Church whome Bullinger in his preface before the same booke so highly cōmendeth doubteth not to saie with S. Austine and Tertullian we o the protestant c. c. 15. pag 74 75. could not beleeue the Gospel were it not that the Church taught vs and witnessed that this doctrine was deliuered by ●he Apostles This treatise was translated out of latine into English by Iohn Tomkins and printed 1●79 M Hooker saieth p In his first booke of Eccles polic c 5. 14 pag. 86. Ib d l 2. 5 4 pag. 102. of thinges necessarie the verie ch●●fest is to know what book●s we are bounde to esteeme holie which point saieth he is confessed impossib●e for the scripture it selfe to teach Againe it is not the word of God saieth he which doth or possible can ass●re vs that we doe well to thinke it is h s word for if any one booke of the scripture d●d giue testimony of all yet still that scripture which giueth credit to the rest would requier an other scripture to giue credit vnto it neither could wee come vnto any pause where on to rest vnles besides scripture there were some thinge that might assure vs c. lib. 3. S. 8. pag. 146. lib 2 li 7. pag 1●6 which also he acknowledgeth to be the authoritie of Gods Church THE 11. ARTICLE Protestantes disagreeing translations M. Bruges saith a Apologie sect 6 That the approued Protestant trāslation hath many omissions many additions which some tyme obscure some tyme peruert the sense M. Carle●● in his booke that Christ went not downe to hell hauing discouered many faultes in the English Bibles inferreth b pag 116. 241. That the English Protestantes in many places detorte the Scriptures frō their right sense and shew themselues to loue darknes more them light falshood more then truth they haue corrupted and depraued the sense obscured the trueth deceaued the ignorant and supplanted the simple M. Broughten also one of the chiefest linguistes in England in his epistle to the Lordes of the priuie Councell desireth them to procure speedily a new translation o because that saith he which is now in England is full of errours And in his Aduertisement of corruptions to the Protestant Bishops he saith That theire Publike translation of Scriptures into English is such as it peruerteth the text of the old testament in fouer hundred and forty eight places and that it causeth Millions of Millions to reiect the new testament and to runne to eternall flames c in his translation of the new testament parte 11. folio 110. Charles Molineus saith That Caluin in his harmonie maketh the text of the ghospell to leape vp and donne as the truth it selfe declareth he vseth violence to the letter of the ghospell in many places clean trāsposeth it and besides this he addeth to the text These hee d tom 2. ad Luther lib. de Sacramento fol. 412. l. 413. Zuinglius after detection of many corruptions in Luther concludeth thus See how thy case standeth Luther that in the eies of all men thou arte seenne to be a manifest and common corrupter of holy Scripture which thing thou canst neuer deny before any creature how much are wee ashamed of thee who hitherto haue esteemed thee beyond all measure and now trie thee to be such a false fellow these hee Castalio saith That to note all the errours of Beza in trāslating the new testament the worke would require to great a volume e In the fume of the conferēce before his maiestie pag. 46. The king thinketh the Geneua translation to be the worst of all other M. Parkes in his Apologie of three testimonies of Scripture cōcerning Christes descēding into hell in his defence of the first testamonie saith to M. D. W●llet As for the Geneua Bibles it is to be wished that either they may be purged from those manifold errours which are both in the text and in the margent or else vtterly pr●hibited In A Treatise intituled A petition Directed to her most excellent maiestie c the Puritans say Pag. 76. Our translation of the psalmes comprysed in our booke of common prayer doth in Addition Subtraction and Alteration differre from the truth of the Hebrew in Twoe hundred places Pag. 75. In so much as they doe therfore profess the rest to be doubtfull whether a man with a safe cōscience may subscribe therto The Ministers of Lincolne Diocesse tearme the
the whole church was committed to blessed S. Peter prince of all the Apostles And a little beneath Behold he hath receaued the keyes of the kingdome of heauen power of binding and losing is giuen to him the care of the whole church and principality is committed to him S. Bede saith m homil in vigilla S. Andre● in illud intuitus eum c Ioan. 142. He saw the simplicitie of his hart he saw the courage of his mynd by whose merit he was to be placed ouer euery church And againe n And homil in s●●●o Petri Pauli anno 720. therfore saith he S. Peter who confessed Christ with true faith affected him with true loue and receaued especially the keyes of the kingdome of heauen and principallitie of iudiciall power that all belieuers in the world may vnderstand that whosoeuer doth separate himself after any manner from that vnitie of faith and societie of his he can neither be absolued from the bonds of his sinnes nor enter the gate of the kingdome of heauen S. Bernard saith o epist ●●7 ad Eugenium The place wherin thou standest is holy ground it is Peters place the place of the prince of the Apostles where his feete stood it is his place whome our Lord cōstituted master of his howse and prince of all his possession And againe p lib 2 de consideret speaking of Peter Ano. 1140. going like our Lord vpon the sea he did manifest himself the only vicar of Christ who ought not to be ouer one people but ouer all euē as there are many waters many people These sower and twentie testimonies of the fathers as the sower and twentie voices of the elders in the Apocalypse do euidently demonstrate the consent of the primatiue Church as wel the Greeke as the Latine to which nothing certenly can be answeared other wise thē Luther and Caluin say of Leo Pope they suffered humane thinges were deceaued werfore to make it if possible yet more plaine se● heere the Aduersaire THE ADVERSARIE Caluin alledged in M. vvhitgiftes defence saith q pag. 173. The twelue Apostles had one amongst them to gouerne the rest Musculus saith r Ibid. 469. Peter is said in many places to haue bene chiefe a monge the rest which wee deny not M. vvhitgift saith ſ Ibid pag. 375. Amonge the Apostles them selues there was one chief c. that had chiefe authoritie ouer the rest c. that schismes might be composed t pag. 595. pag. 62. 63. 65. 68. 70. And againe In somuch as he doubteth not to answere certayne places of scripture obiected by our Aduersaries against Peters Primary M. Fulke speaking of Leo and Gregory Bishops of Rome the first about anno 450. the other about anno 600. saith v in his Retentiue against Bristowes motiues c. pag. 248. the mysterie of iniquitie hauing wrought in that seat of Rome neer fiue or six hūdreth yeares before them so longe before them did the Romane Sea beginne to be Papall and then greatly encreased they were so deceaued with long continuance of errour that they thought the dignity of Peter was much moreouer the rest of his fellow Apostles then the holy scriptures of God do allow x Cent. 4. col 1215. l. 2 col 555 l ●0 col 558. l. 54 Cent. 3. col 84. l. 75 59. Col. 85. l. 3. The fathers for affirming the church to be built vpon Peter namely S. Hierome H●●ary Nazianzen Tertullian Cyprian Origē are reprehēded by the Centuristes Caluin saith y Instit l. 4. cap. 6. sect The church is founded in Peter because it is said vpon this Rocke c. as many of the Fathers expound it but the whole scripture is against it c. z Cent. 6. col 58. a line 2. The fathers doubted not publickly to celebrate a yearly festiuall day in honour of S. Peters Sea which respect no other Sea euer had whervnto Danaeus answearing affirmeth the Fathers assertions to be the iudgments and testimonies of the church then corrupted and bewitched or made blynd with this errour b in his examē c. against the plea of the innocent printed ● bol pag. 10. b. and 107. M D. Couell hauing spoken of one aboue the a n resp ad Bellar. disp part 1. pag. 275. rest to suppresse the seedes of dissention saith to the Puritanes If this were the principall meanes to preuent schi●mes and dissentions in the primitiue church when the graces of God were farre more aboundant and eminent then they now are Nay if the twelue were not like to agree except there had bine one chiese among them for so saith Hierome amōge the twelue one was therefore chosen that a chief or head being appoynted occasion of dissention might be preuented c how can they thinke that equallity would keepe all the pastours in the world in peace and vnitie c. for in all societies authoritie which cannot be where all are equall must procure vnitie and obedience Also he saith c pag. 10. b. that it was not to cease with the Apostles these hee Melanchthon saith from the opinion of him self and other his brethren d in the booke intituled Centuria ep● Theolog c. epist 74. que est Melancthonis ● As certayne Bishops are president ouer many churches so the Bishop of Rome is president ouer all Bishops and this canonicall pollicy no wyse man as I think doth or ought to disallow c. for the monarchy of the Bishop of Rome is in my opiniō profitable to this end that consent of Doctrine may be retayned wherfore an agreement may easily be established in his article of the Popes Primacy if other pointes could be agreed vpon These hee Luther himself saith e in loc commun class 1. cap. 37. for as much as God would haue one true Catholicke church through the whole world it was necessarie there should be some one people yea some one father of that one people chosen vnto whome and his posteritie the whole world might haue recourse and become one sheepfold so that of all nations and of infinite diuers manners yet there might be made one church f Pag 470. 471. For the confessed gouerment of Bishops and Archbishops in all ages since the Apostles tymes see M. Whitgiftes defence M. Cartwryght saith g in his 2. reply part 1 p. 582. yf an Archbishop be necessarie for the calling of a prounciall councell when Bishops are deuided it is necessarie there be also a Pope which may call a generall councell when diuision is betweene Archbishops for when the churches of one prouince be deuided from others as you aske me so I aske you whoe shall assemble them together whoe shall admonish them of their duties when they are assembled yf you can find away how this may be done without a Pope the way is also found wherby the church may be disburdenned of the Archbishop Likewise the councell of
Church and prayed with fastinges h 2. Cor. b. 4 5 Let vs exhibit our selues as the ministers of God c. in labours in watchinges in fastinges c. i cap. 11. ●7 in labour and Miserie in much watchinges in hunger and thirst in fastinges often in could and nakednes Examples of Keeping the lent k Exod. 24 1● And Moyses entring into the middest of the Cloud went into the mounteyne and was there 40. days and 40. nightes cap. 14.28 Therfore he was there with the lord 40. dayes and 40. nightes bread he did not eat and water he did not drinke m Deut. 9 1● And I fell downe before our lord as before fourtie dayes and fourtie nightes not eating bread nor drinking water for all your sinnes which you cōmitted against our lord n 9 kinges 13.8 who when he had risen did eat and drinck and did walk 40. dayes and 40. nightes in the strength of that meat o Matt. 4.2 And when he had fasted 40. dayes and 40. nightes The merit of Fasting p Ionas 3.5 ●● And they proclaymed a fast and were clothed with sackcloth from the greater to the lesser and God saw their workes that they were conuerted from their euill way and God had mercy one the euill which he had spoken that he would doe vnto thē and he did it not q Iudith 4 8.9.11.12.13 And they humbled their soules in fastinges and prayers they and their wiues and the priestes put on hearclothes c. r Then Eliachim the high priest of our lord went about all Israell and spake vnto them saying know yee that our lord will heare your prayers if continewing you continew in fastinges and prayers in the sight of our lord ſ cap. 8.6 And hauing cloth of hayre vpon her loynes shee fasted all the dayes of her life except Sabbaths and new moones and the feastes of the howse of Israel t Iudges 20. v. 26. And they fasted that day vntill the eueninge v Act. 14 2● And when they had ordayned to them priestes in euery Church and had prayed with fastings they commended them to our lord FATHERS x Ad Philipp S. Ignatius anno 100. admonisheth that the lent be fasted of the faithfull because it doth conteyne the imitation of the conuersation of our lord S. Basil anno 380. saith y orat 1 de ●e●unio our lord the head of all thinges related when by fasting he had strenghtned the flesh which he had taken for vs he did so susteyne the assaultes of the Diuell in it wherby also he taught vs that by fastinges wee should annoynt exercise our selues to fightes in tentations z Orat. 2 de ieiunio And in an other place he speakes at large of the fast of S. Gregory Nazianz anno 380. saith a orat in S. Lauacrum Christ fasted a lent little before his tentation wee before Easter S. Chrysostome anno 380. saith b Homil. 1. in Genesin a fast of fourtie dayes being declared our lord Iesus Christ did so enter the sight against the Diuell giuing vs all example that by it wee should be armed S. Ambrose anno 380. saith c Serm. ●4 Our lord hath made holy the lent vnto vs by fasting Ibid. what Christian s●eller doth not fullfill the lent by fasting shal be holden guiltie of preuarication and contempt Againe d Serm. 37. This he did for our saluations sake that he might not only teach a profitable thinge by worde but also might instruct by examples that by the same stepps which wee runne vnto faith wee should goe vnto abstinence S. Hierome anno 380 saith e in cap. 58. Esaie Our lord Fasted fourtie dayes in the wildernes that he might leaue vs solemne dayes of fastinges Againe f Ad Morellani aduer errores Montani wee in a tyme sitinge for vs doe fast one lent according to the tradition of the Apostles S. Epiphanius anno 390. saith against Aerius vvho contemned commaunded fastes g lib. de her heres 75. that fastes were commaunded by the Church and accustomed to be Celebrated and also ordayned by the Apostles S. Leo Pope anno 440 saith h Sermo 6. de quadrag That therfore my beloued which is fit for euery Christian to doe that is now more carefully and deuoutly to be performed that the Apostolicall institution of fourtie dayes be accomplished by fasting Againe i Serm. g. de quadrag the greater fastes are instituted by the Apostles according to the doctrine of the holy ghost that by the common fellowshipe of the Crosse of Christ wee also might doe some thing in that which he hath done for vs. Againe k Serm. 11. de quadrab The chiefest and most holy fast is at hand which doth craue to be obserued of all the faithfull without exception S. Theophilus Alexaadr anno 390. saith l lib. 3. Pasthali That the law of abstinence from flesh in the lent hath alwayes bine in the Church and that those which did eat flesh were held guiltie of a great crime S. Augustine anno 400. saith m Serm. 62. de tempore in epistola 219. c. 15. To fast on other dayes there is a remedie or a reward but not to fast in the lent is a sin Againes The fourtie dayes of fast haue authoritie both in the old testament or bookes out of the fast of Moyses Elias and out of the ghospell because our lord fasted so many dayes Concerning the speciall forbearante or restraint to fast vpon Sunday It is confessed that the contrary vnder taken libertie of fasting vpon the Sunday now renewed by the Puritans was reproued by Pope Clement the first anno 80. saying he that fasteth vpon the Sunday or lordes day is guiltie of sin n in epist ad Philippens pag 99. The like is affirmed by Ignatius witnes for them bothe M. Cart-wright in M. whitgithes defence c. Tertullian anno 200. saith o de corona militis c. 3. Wee account it a haynous offence to fast on the Sunday p vbi supra See this also confessed by M. Cartvvrigth S. Augustine anno 400. saith q epist 85. ad Casulanum Who is it that shall not offend God if he will vnto the Scandall of the whole Church spread euery where fast one our lordes day Also the fourth Councell of Carthage saith r Canon 64. anno 413. He that doth willingly and of purpose fast on the Sunday is not taken for a Catholicke S. Epiphanius anno 390. condemneth the Arrians saying ſ haeresi 75. They desire rather to fast on the sunday and eat vpon wednesday and Friday t In his defence pag. 102. It was also the condemned heresie of the Manichees See M. vvhitgift THE ADVERSARIE As Concerning the appoynted fast of lent v in M witgistes defence c. pag. 100. M. Cartvvright reproueth S. Ambrose for saying It is sinne not to fast in lent