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3._o 1._o but_o other_o understand_v a_o create_a angel_n viz._n the_o angel_n that_o talk_v with_o the_o prophet_n zachary_n and_o thence_o observe_v that_o the_o angel_n pray_v for_o the_o church_n this_o seem_v more_o probable_a by_o the_o word_n immediate_o follow_v and_o the_o lord_n answer_v the_o angel_n that_o talk_v with_o i_o v_o 13._o in_o the_o other_o place_n viz._n revel_v place_n 8._o 4._o ribera_n tell_v we_o that_o many_o think_v the_o angel_n there_o mention_v to_o be_v christ_n and_o though_o he_o dislike_v that_o exposition_n yet_o it_o be_v more_o than_o probable_a by_o that_o which_o be_v say_v v._n 3._o there_o be_v give_v he_o much_o incense_n that_o he_o shall_v offer_v it_o with_o the_o prayer_n of_o all_o saint_n etc._n etc._n for_o what_o can_v we_o well_o understand_v by_o that_o incense_n but_o christ_n merit_n and_o meditation_n whereby_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n be_v acceptable_a and_o well_o please_v unto_o god_n for_o the_o father_n allege_v 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