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A20949	The Iesuites shifts, and euasions; or, his deportment in controuersies of religion. Or, A treatise, wherein the causes are examined why Mr. Arnoux the Iesuite, refuseth to answere to seauenteene questions propounded by the ministers of the church of Paris Wherein also the treatise of fiue euasions which he hath added to the examination of our confession, is likewise examined and answered: by Peter Du Moulin.; Fuites et évasions du Sieur Arnoux. English	Du Moulin, Pierre, 1568-1658.	1624 (1624)	STC 7328; ESTC S111074	27,667	44

rules not thinking thereon being insensibly thrust into them by the force of reason Whosoeuer will haue no consequences produced abolisheth all common sense and all vse of reason which onely consisteth therein The rules of Lodgique are no Articles of faith but instruments to mannage all knowledge by order and certainty and by consequence also matters of Diuinitie CHAP. VI. The third Euasion THe third Euasion which Master Arnoux saith we vse is that we serue our turnes with the circle in this that we proue those things to be Scripture by our particular spirit and proue that particular spirit by the Scripture Which is false and slanderous We leaue that particular spirit to mad men none of vs makes our selues Iudges of the Scriptures That is the Popes and his Prelates property who being assembled boast that they pronounce Iudgement touching points of faith and beleeue they cannot erre And our Aduersaries say that euery particular person of the Church of Rome doth certainly discerne the true Church which spirit or particular iudgement is meere blindnesse seeing that the poore people haue no other proofe to know that the Church of Rome is the true Church then onely the witnesse that the same Church giueth of itselfe Touching the circle if any serue their turnes therewith it is our aduersaries for they ground the authoritie of the Scripture vpon the testimony of the Church and yet ground the authoritie of the Church vpon testimonies of the Scripture as one that hauing placed the walles of a house vpon the foundation afterward should place the foundation vpon the walles When we aske them how they know that wee must beleeue the bookes of the new Testament They answere and say because the Church saith it and ordaines it to be so and when we say that how know you that wee must beleeue the Church because say they that the bookes of the New Testament say so and ordaine it to be so for there it is written Tell it vnto the Church c. Certainely as often as they alledge the Scriptures to ground and authorize their Church they ouerthrow that which they will haue men to beleeue which is that the authority of the Scripture is grounded vpon the authority of the Church And thereby are tyed to rowle the circle as Diogenes is to his tub and ouerturne their owne wits by this circulation But when we aske one of them and say how know you that your Church teacheth the true Doctrine or how know you that it is conformable to the ancient Church There they are at a stay and the circle rowles no more and so they are dumbe by necessity For how shall they know the true Doctrine seeing the rule of the true Doctrine which is the holy Scripture is hidden from them And how should they know whether their Church is conformable to the ancient Church seeing it is not knowne but by an infinite number of Greeke and Latine Bookes which the people vnderstand not Then the people must know that the Church of Rome teacheth the true Doctrine onely because those that teach it say so which is to belieue at hazard and to haue a humane Religion grounded vpon coniectures without the Word of God and to allow a man to be a witnesse and a Iudge in his owne cause Therefore Master Arnoux giueth markes to know the true Church without speaking of the holy Scriptures Pag. 119. which are all false First The consent of the people But there are a greater number of the people that disagree with the Church of Rome than those that agree therewith And Iesus Christ saith that broad is the way that leadeth to destruction Math. 7.13.14 and many there be which goe in thereat because straite is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth vnto life and few there be that finde it Then he addeth the testimony of Martyrs a false marke for there shall neuer be any Martyrs found that died for calling vpon Saints or for Transubstantiation or for Purgatory They suffered death for the doctrine of the Gospell for the which our poore Churches haue suffered so many martyrdomes by meanes of the Church of Rome which suffereth no more but maketh martyrs suffer For a third marke he placeth the authority of the Fathers But the Fathers are contrary to the Doctrine of the Romish Church the people cannot looke into them And Master Arnoux speaketh by heare-say for in his Booke he alledgeth but foure or fiue places out of the Fathers which are not found to be false and corrupted For a fourth marke hee puts the eminence of the Doctrine I thinke that by the eminence hee vnderstandeth the excellency which consisteth in purity and conformity to the Word of God Without proofe to say that the Church of Rome hath the purity of Doctrine it is without proofe to pre-suppose that which is in question To the contrary we haue proued against Master Arnoux that Poperie is a heape of errours and a corruption of Christianitie And how should the people know that purity of Doctrine seeing they hide the rule of purity which is the holy Scriptures from them For the last marke hee se●teth succession neuer interrupted It he vnderstandeth a succession of doctrine wee deny it if he vnderstandeth a succession of chaires without Doctrine that succession is nothing Many other Churches also which condemne the Church of Rome haue their succession and that ancienter than the Romane And schismes haue often broken the succession of the Romish Bishopricke And how can the people know any thing touching this succession which cannot be learned but by reading of infinite Histories and Greeke and Latine Authors that haue written for the space of one thousand sixe hundred yeares CHAP. VII The fourth Euasion THe aduersary noteth another Euasion wherewith wee serue our turnes as he saith which is to produce diuers places of Scripture one with another whereof the one serueth to interpret the other For example he saith that wee expound these words This is my body by this place I am the Vine wherein hee slandereth vs. We know well that these words I am the Vine are not the exposition of these words This is my body Wee note not those places I am the Vine I am the dore This cup is the Couenant The rocke was Christ to interpret these words This is my body but to shew that whosoeuer will alwaies take the words of the holy Scripture literally and leaue these interpretations whereby the Scripture expresseth it selfe should often fall into great absurdities and to shew that ordinarily the Scripture nameth the signes and Sacraments by the names of that which they represent CHAP. VIII The fift Euasion THe fift Euasion which Master Arnoux imputeth vnto vs is a Chaos of confused calumniations He saith that we attribute things to the Church of Rome which shee beleeueth not That we charge the Popes with injuries That wee reiect the originall Text of the Scripture that is the Hebrew and the Greeke

That we say that a Verse is sliden from the Margent to the Text. That wee reiect the common translation receiued by all the Fathers That we adde vnto and take away from the holy Scriptures That wee forge metaphors and improprieties of phrases That we esteeme that to be spoken per Ironia which is said vpon oath that we tye a conditionall particle to a period to draw it from the absolute sense thereof and make thirty manifest places of the Scripture intricate by one obscure place This cart of confused calumniations without any proofes deserueth no answere It is an easie thing to speake euill of a man without any proofe And I beleeue that Master Arnoux hath made a collection of faults wherein the Doctors of the Romish Church are culpable to impose them vpon vs for in Master Arnoux Booke wee finde that in euery place hee changeth our beliefe and maketh vs say things which wee abhorre as much as he doth Hee knoweth or ought to know that the Doctors and Writers of the Romish Church say and speake a thousand iniuries of Popes and detest their liues and doctrine He knoweth that the Church of Rome reiecteth the originall text of the Bible which is the Greek the Hebrew and preferreth the vulgar translation before it which neuerthelesse is so much corrupted that if you compare the vulgar translation with the Hebrew you will say that there is no Booke in the world so badly translated Sixtus Seuensis the Popes keeper of his Library acknowledgeth the same in the seauenth Booke of the Library * Heres prima Editionis venetae p. 921. 92● Vulgata edito quae Hieronymi esse dicitur in multis à Graeca veritate distat where hee saith that the vulgar Edition which is said to be Saint Hieromes in many things differeth from the truth of the Greeke That which Bellarmine acknowledgeth is so farre a Bell. lib. 2. de Verbo Dei ca. 2. Heretici huic temporis odio editionis vulgatae nimium tribuunt editioni Hebraicae c. from accusing vs of reiecting the Hebrew or Greeke Text that to the contrary he accuseth vs of holding too much with it and of referring too much vnto it Heretiques saith hee in hatred of the vulgar Edition attribute too much to the Hebrew Edition For Caluin and Kemnitius will haue all examined and corrected by the Hebrew Text. To the contrary hee b Eodem cap. 2. §. His ergo Scripturas Hebraicas non esse in vniuers deprauatas opera vel malitia Iudaeorum nec tamen esse omnino integras maintaineth that the Scripture in the Hebrew is corrupted in many places and contradicteth the opinions of Hierome and Augustine that will haue the Latine translation to be examined and corrected by the Hebrew and the Greeke c Cap. 11. Fontes scripturarum anteponendi riuulis versionem quando constat fontes non esse turbatos Nunc autem fontes multis locis turbidos fluere iam ante ostendinus For he will haue the vulgar translation to be preferred before the Greeke and Hebrew And that men should haue their recourse to the little Riuers because the spring is troubled But those of the Church of Rome that haue some remnant of equity in them and that plainely perceiue that this opinion is an entrance into Atheisme and maketh nothing certaine in the Word of God ioyne themselues with vs and not onely reproue the vulgar translation as Sixtus Seuensis aforesaid but also they themselues haue made translations of the Bible according to the Hebrew as Sanctes Pagninus a Luquois Monke and Arias Montanus a Spaniard between the which translations and that which is vsed in our Churches there is great conformity Whereas Master Arnoux saith that the vulgar translation hath beene receiued of all the Fathers hee sheweth that hee neuer lookt into the Fathers for in Saint Augustine there are two thousand places of the holy Scriptures alledged in other words than they are set downe in the vulgar translation And Tertullian vseth a different translation from all the rest and in Hierome we haue diuers places of the old Testament by him truely translated according to the Hebrew and Bellarmine in the tenth Chapter of his second Booke de Verbo Dei saith that the vulgar translation began to be receiued in the Church of Rome in the time of Gregory the first that is sixe hundred yeares after Iesus Christ And Saint Augustine acknowledgeth that in his time the diuersity of Latine translations were infinite in the second Booke of Christian Doctrine Chapter 11. In all these things De Doctr. Christianae l. 2. ca. 11. as also in the rest of the smaller calumniations which he setteth downe he sheweth that he knoweth not what we say nor what he himselfe saith and that he hath no knowledge of antiquity nor of the nature of our Controuersies and had done wisely if hee had shewed his Booke to men of some iudgement before he published the same in stead of taking all his defence out of Father Gontri without any other examination which Iesuite if he were liuing would aske for his feathers againe and so Mr. Arnoux should be starke naked The reproach which hee giueth vs to take from the Scriptures without telling wherein and how it is done is vnseemely in the mouthes of those that from the Law of God cut off a whole Commaundement that is the second Commaundement wherein the worshipping of Images is prohibited But we must of force say something touching the reproach which he giueth vs that we attribute things to the Romish Church which she beleeueth not To auoid this blame in the defence of our confession of the faith against Master Arnoux I haue drawne our Aduersaries beliefe from the Councels of the Church of Rome and specially from the Councell of Trent as also from the Decrees and Canons of Popes and from the Text of the Masse And where there is any discord betweene our Aduersaries I haue not hidden it to the end that an error which belongeth but to one part of the Romish Church should not be imputed to the whole body thereof And if I haue alledged any particular Doctors they are some of the notablest at the fore-front of whose writings the approbation of the Doctors and of the faculties of Theologie is apposed In controuersies of Religion to impute contrary things to the aduerse party which he beleeueth not is expresly to make warre against God and to feare that the truth should be knowne that is to make controuersies where none are as if wee had not true controuersies enough without forged false controuersies It is a confession of a bad cause and an acknowledging of the truth of the contrary opinion when before wee speake against it wee seeke to disguise it To be short it is a confessing that if the opinion of the Aduersaries were truely propounded it could not be contradicted Or if any man doth it without malice he sheweth that

THE IESVITES SHIFTS AND EVASIONS OR His deportment in Controuersies of RELIGION OR A Treatise wherein the causes are examined why Mr. Arnoux the Iesuite refuseth to answere to seauenteene questions propounded by the Ministers of the Church of PARIS Wherein also the Treatise of fiue euasions which he hath added to the examination of our confession is likewise examined and answered BY PETER DV MOVLIN LONDON Printed by T. S. for Nathanael Newbery and are to be sold at his Shop at the signe of the Starre in Cornehill and in Popes-Head-Alley 1624. To the Christian READER COurteous Reader I would not haue thee to imagine that our Author would haue vouchsafed to bestow his labour vpon the confutation of such silly shifts and sorry Euasions as our moderne English Jesuites and Popish Priests sucke out of their fathers plants and cast foorth with more malice then wit in paltry pamphlets amongst vs to seduce simple people for alas they are not worthy any wise mans view much lesse his paines for confutation But these of Mr. Arnoux are of an higher straine and of more especiall moment which being fully cleared and displayed by our worthy Author and added as a Supplement to his Buckler of Faith a Booke that is now re-printed as most necessary and profitable in these disputing times I could not with-hold this peece from thee any longer because I supposed it would be very vsefull vnto thee also as a light Sword to offend our common Aduersaries the more readily in lighter skirmishes either ioyntly with or seuerally without the Buckler which is fit to defend vs in our strongest Incounters with them I doubt not good Reader but thou shalt in both of them finde such satisfaction as shall giue thee great content and make thee stand the more stedfestly and boldly in the breach against the enemies assaults amidst a multitude of staggerers and backe-sliders which that thou maist be inabled to do to the glory of God and the saluation of thy own soule I shall alwayes pray and indeuour my selfe to yeeld thee what helpe I am able Vale. THE IESVITES SHIFTS AND EVASIONS OR His deportment in Controuersies of RELIGION CHAP. I. The demaunds of the Pastors of the Church of Paris made to Mr. Arnoux the Iesuite THere is nothing more easier than to propound questions but the difficulty consisteth in answering well An ignorant person will put more questions in an houre than a wise man can absolue in a yeare A knot is easily knit but it is not so easily vnknit againe from thence it proceedeth that in Controuersie for Religion he that feeleth himselfe to be too weake or that his cause is ill-grounded alwaies seekes to make difficulties and to finde some meanes to blame his aduersaries beliefe but as much as he can or may exempteth himselfe from yeelding a reason of his owne faith and is wary to enter into any proofe of his Religion Master Gontri late deceased giueth this counsell in a booke which he made touching the manner how to confer with vs for hauing by experience found how dangerous it is to be too forward that the surest meanes is to bind vs to proue that which we say and still to finde some cauilation in our confession he giueth this counsell to his Disciples either to be warie how to make answere to our demaunds or to defend themselues against our accusations and neuer to enter into a proofe of the Catholicke Romish Religion This counsell liketh Master Arnoux exceeding well for hauing in the presence of his Maiestie snatcht at the margents of the confession of our faith and exclaimed against some cotations of the places of the Scripture by vs noted he presseth vs to defend them and to iustifie our allegations And hath made a booke wherein hee disciphereth our confession of the faith from the one end to the other Which booke and all his accusations wee hope we haue in some sort satisfied whereby I am perswaded that he will not hereafter enter so easily into the lists againe And not content to defend our selues we haue taken on vs the Challengers part and haue also pressed him to defend his Religion to see if he hath so much capacitie in him to answere as he hath readinesse to put questions And in counterchange of that which he doth seeking to snatch at the places of Scripture noted in the margent of our confession we haue produced the allegations of the extrauagant vnam sanctam made by Boniface the 8. and the places of Scripture alledged by the last Councell of Lateran as for example the Apostles hauing said here are two swords the Lord made answere and said It is enough And in the beginning of Genesis it is said that in the beginning God created heauen and earth And Psal 72. it is said all the Kings of the earth shall worship him And Iesus Christ said all power is giuen me in heauen and in earth Math. 28.18 which places and many the like are vsed by the said Pope and that counsell to proue that the Pope hath soueraigne power as well ouer temporall as ouer spirituall things and that Kings must worship him and that he hath all power in heauen and in earth Whereupon we aske Master Arnoux whether he will approue such allegations or whether in the margents of our confession he findeth any places of Scripture noted with such horrible licentiousnesse and manifest prophanation And in counterchange for asking vs a proofe of our Religion by the Word of God we summon and defie him to proue his Religion by the Word of God and to that end haue propounded these seauenteene questions following vnto him 1 In what place of the holy Scriptures God hath commaunded vs to call vpon dead Saints 2 Where God hath commaunded vs to represent the Trinity in stone or in picture 3 In what place of the holy Scripture we are commaunded to worship and serue the Images of Saints or to adore them as it is ordained by the second Councell of Nice 4 In what place of the Scripture it is commaunded to sacrifice the body of Iesus Christ in the Eucharist and where Iesus Christ established sacrificators of his body 5 In what place of the Scripture God hath commanded to withhold the Cup from the people in the Sacrament 6 In what place of the Scripture the Bishop of Rome is established and made S. Peters Successor in qualitie of head of the Church 7 Where God commaundeth vs in the Church to reade the holy Scriptures to the people in a language which they vnderstand not 8 Where God hath commaunded vs to pray vnto God without vnderstanding what we pray praying in a language that he which prayeth vnderstandeth not 9 In what place of the Scripture it is said that the death and passion of Iesus Christ hath satisfied for the punishment and for the fault of sinnes committed before baptisme but touching the punishment for sinnes committed after baptisme it belongeth vnto vs to satisfie the iustice

Iesus Christ himselfe planted as also seeing that the rest of the Apostles hauing left no successors in their Apostles charge why should Saint Peter onely haue one in his Did Iesus Christ euer declare that Saint Peter onely among the Apostles should haue a successor in his charge of Apostle or did Saint Peter euer declare that the Bishop of Rome should be his successour in quality of the head of the vniuersall Church Where is there any one word of this succession vsed in the Word of God As also that the heresies * Leo the second complaineth of Honorius his Predecessor for that by his heresie he had defiled the seat of Rome In the action 18. of the 6. Councell of diuers Popes acknowledged by the Popes themselues and the schismes which haue rent that Seate and which often times haue bin the meanes that of diuers Antipopes contending for the same the wickedest and the most vniust of them intruding himselfe hath carried it away haue partly broken the line of this imaginary succession for to what purpose doth it serue to shew a list of mens names in a picture from Saint Peter to our time if they shew not that the second of them taught as the first did and the third as the second and so by degrees Many hereticall Churches in that manner produce their succession and are nothing the better for that for a succession of a chaire without succession of Doctrine is rather an expulsion than a succession Pag. 120. J●nius lib. ● cap 3. But M●ster Arnoux saith that learned Irenius saith that it is altogether necessary that euery Church should resort and ioyne vnto that of Rome wherein the chiefe Principalitie reci●●● But M●ster Arnoux hauing not in all his Booke alledge● an● place that is not either cut short or falsified would not at the end of his booke begin to alledge them truely For first he addeth this word adherer which is not in Irenius and the word conuenire he translateth resorting whereas it signifieth to land or to come from diuers places into one place And to these two falshoods Master Arnoux addeth a notable corruption of the sense for Irenius by this chiefe Principalitie vnderstandeth the power of the City of Rome because of the emperiall Seate and not of the supremacie of the Bishop or of his Church for that Christians from all Churches arriued at or came to Rome because of the Emperours Seate and of the Senate where they had some affaires to be dispatched As if I should say that from all the Churches of France they come to Paris because the Kings soueraigne Court is there Then we must translate Irenius in this mannner To this Church * Ad hanc Ecclesiam propter potentiam pr ncip●l●atem nece●s● est omnem co●uen●i Ecclesiam 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 all Churches must necessarily come because of the soueraigne power which is the emperiall power Vpon the same reason the councell of Antiochia in the ninth Canon groundeth the superioritie of the Bishops of great Townes because saith that Councell that all those that haue any businesse come to the Metropolitane City ●or that cau●e it hath beene ordained that the Bishops thereof should haue preheminence of honour Therefore the Church of Alexandria went before Antiochia although the Church of Antiochia was ancienter and founded as it is said by Saint Peter because that among the Cities of the Romish Empire Alexandria according to ciuill order was the second City after Rome and was before Antiochia The 17. Canon of the Councell of Calcidonia speaketh expresly thereof where it is ordained that the order of Ecclesiasticall Dioces should be accommodated according to ciuill and publique forme For conclusion our aduersary immitating as he saith the example of Saint Augustine referreth vs to the Fathers that are not partiall in this cause I maruell why hee doth not rather referre vs to the Word of God which is not partiall no more than the ancient Doctors are and which speaketh with another manner of authority and much more that he referreth the people to the reading of the Greeke and Latine Fathers whose workes are infinite to be read and the vnderstanding of them obscure and which hee knoweth the common people vnderstand not and that out of their workes there are not many places alledged whereupon there is not some question made touching the sense and the interpretation of them And I am much more abasht that he referreth the people to the reading of the Fathers to be resolued in Religion seeing there is not one of the Fathers which the Doctors of the Romish Church doe not censure and often times reproue them For they make themselues Iudges of the Fathers in stead of receiuing the Fathers for Iudges In their bookes of Controuersies you shall see nothing but diuers opinions of the Fathers wherof they choose those whom they please and reiect the rest and many times reiect them all to establish their owne opinions Now to shew that the reason why they referre the common people to the reading of the Fathers is not because the Fathers fauour them but onely to shun the holy Scriptures which they feare and to leade the mindes of the common-people through a way wherein they can neither see nor know any thing I would gladly know whether our aduersaries receiue the Fathers for Iudges in all our Controuersies if they receiued them not for Iudges but in certain poynts why not also in others but if they receiue them for Iudges in all things then they must enter into the lists and let some of them shew vs in the Fathers these seauenteene poynts wherunto hauing beene so often times prest and vrged they are yet to answere 1 For I say and maintaine it that they cannot shew that any ancient Church euer celebrated the Eucharist without communicants as they ordinarily doe in the Church of Rome and many times also without any assistants 2 They cannot shew that any ancient Church kept the people from the communion of the cup. 3 Or that in any ancient Church publique Seruice and the reading of the holy Scriptures was done in a language not vnderstood by the people 4 Or that any ancient Church did forbid or hinder the people from reading of the holy Scripture which is by no meanes permitted without speciall priuiledge in these countries where the Pope is absolutely obayed 5 Or that in any ancient Church they made Images of God and representation of the Trinity in stone or in picture 6 Neither can they shew vs that in any ancient Church the people haue been taught to pray without vnderstanding what they say and to be Barbarians to themselues 7 Or that any ancient Church hath done any seruice to the Images of creatures as kissing clothing kneeling before them or offering vnto them 8 Or that the ancient Church did beleeue that the Virgin Mary is crowned Queene of Heauen and Lady of the World as she is painted in all the