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A66481 The judgment of the foreign reformed churches concerning the rites and offices of the Church of England shewing there is no necessity of alterations : in a letter to a member of the House of Commons. Willes, John, 1646 or 7-1700. 1690 (1690) Wing W2807; ESTC R8187 45,548 70

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godfather_n but_o the_o faithful_a and_o those_o of_o our_o confession_n sect._n 40._o they_o that_o be_v suspend_v from_o the_o lord_n supper_n must_v not_o be_v godfather_n in_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n of_o france_n chap._n 11._o sect._n 7._o though_o we_o have_v no_o express_a commandment_n of_o the_o lord_n for_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n in_o baptism_n yet_o because_o the_o custom_n be_v ancient_a and_o introduce_v for_o a_o good_a end_n those_o that_o will_v not_o follow_v so_o good_a a_o example_n but_o present_v their_o infant_n themselves_o shall_v be_v earnest_o exhort_v not_o to_o be_v contentious_a but_o to_o behave_v themselves_o according_a to_o this_o ancient_a custom_n which_o be_v good_a and_o profitable_a sect._n 12_o the_o minister_n shall_v diligent_o admonish_v the_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n to_o consider_v the_o promise_n they_o have_v make_v at_o the_o celebration_n of_o baptism_n etc._n etc._n and_o to_o this_o agree_v the_o 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