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A16151 The suruey of Christs sufferings for mans redemption and of his descent to Hades or Hel for our deliuerance: by Thomas Bilson Bishop of Winchester. The contents whereof may be seene in certaine resolutions before the booke, in the titles ouer the pages, and in a table made to that end. Perused and allowed by publike authoritie. Bilson, Thomas, 1546 or 7-1616. 1604 (1604) STC 3070; ESTC S107072 1,206,574 720

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