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B00718 A conference of the Catholike and Protestante doctrine with the expresse words of Holie Scripture. Which is the second parte of the prudentiall balance of religion. : VVherein is clearely shewed, that in more than 260 points of controuersie, Catholicks agree with the Holie Scripture, both in words and sense: and Protestants disagree in both, and depraue both the sayings, words, and sense of Scripture. / Written first in Latin, but now augmented and translated into English.; Collatio doctrinae Catholicorum ac Protestantium cum expressis S. Scripturae verbis. English. 1631 Smith, Richard, 1566-1655. 1631 (1631) STC 22810; ESTC S123294 532,875 801

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ground_n of_o truth_n catholics_n say_v the_o same_o protestant_n express_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n the_o true_a church_n the_o universal_a church_n the_o whole_a church_n may_v err_v most_o grievous_o and_o in_o some_o fundamental_a and_o necessary_a matter_n that_o the_o whole_a apostolic_a church_n even_o after_o the_o descent_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n do_v err_v which_o be_v so_o repugnant_a to_o holy_a scripture_n as_o sometime_o protestant_n confess_v it_o see_v lib._n 2._o c._n 30._o art_fw-la vii_o whether_o the_o church_n be_v to_o be_v hear_v simple_o in_o all_o thing_n scripture_n express_o affirmeth._n matth._n 18._o v._n 17._o if_o he_o will_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v hear_v church_n simple_o to_o be_v hear_v to_o the_o as_o the_o heathen_a and_o the_o publican_n luc._n 10._o v._n 16._o who_o hear_v you_o hear_v i_o and_o who_o despise_v you_o despise_v i_o catholik_o express_o affirm_v d._n stapleton_n cont._n 4._o q._n 2._o art_n 3._o we_o must_v simple_o and_o absolute_o obey_v the_o voice_n of_o the_o church_n in_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n protestant_n express_o deny_v whitaker_n cont._n 1._o q._n 3._o c._n 3._o we_o must_v not_o simple_o receive_v whatsoever_o hear_v not_o simple_o to_o be_v hear_v the_o church_n teach_v but_o whatsoever_o she_o be_v command_v of_o god_n to_o teach_v and_o prove_v by_o god_n authority_n and_o q._n 5._o c._n 5._o the_o church_n be_v to_o be_v hear_v not_o simple_o in_o all_o her_o say_n decree_n sentence_n and_o commandment_n the_o same_o he_o have_v cont._n 2._o q._n 4._o c._n 2._o and_o l._n 1._o de_fw-la scriptura_fw-la c._n 11._o bucanus_n in_o inst_z theol._n loco_fw-la 43._o must_v we_o simple_o hear_v the_o voice_n of_o the_o church_n and_o receive_v whatsoever_o she_o teach_v no._n reineccius_n to_o 4._o armat_fw-la c._n 3._o we_o must_v believe_v the_o church_n in_o believe_v not_o simple_o to_o be_v believe_v all_o thing_n not_o take_v simple_o and_o absolute_o but_o 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almost_o extinguish_v in_o the_o church_n libre_fw-la concordiae_fw-la luther_n in_o declar._n art_n c._n 4._o those_o proposition_n of_o necessity_n of_o good_a work_n to_o salvation_n take_v away_o comfort_n salvation_n not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n from_o trouble_a and_o afflict_a conscience_n give_v occasion_n of_o doubt_v of_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n and_o be_v many_o way_n dangerous_a again_o those_o proposition_n of_o the_o necessity_n of_o good_a work_n to_o salvation_n be_v not_o to_o be_v teach_v defend_v paint_a but_o rather_o to_o be_v hiss_v out_o cast_v out_o of_o our_o church_n as_o false_a and_o not_o sincere_a luther_n in_o gal._n 1._o to_o 5._o f._n 286._o the_o false_a apostle_n do_v teach_v that_o apostle_n doctrine_n of_o false_a apostle_n beside_o faith_n in_o christ_n the_o work_n of_o god_n law_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n l._n de_fw-fr votis_fw-la to_o 2._o f._n 281._o thou_o now_o understand_v why_o i_o say_v so_o oftentimes_o that_o nether_a vow_n nor_o our_o work_n be_v necessary_a to_o justice_n and_o salvation_n and_o as_o schlusselburg_n to_o 7._o catal._n haer._n pag._n 312._o report_v this_o form_n of_o speech_n god_n work_n be_v necessary_a church_n cast_v out_o of_o luther_n church_n to_o salvation_n he_o cause_v to_o be_v blot_v and_o take_v out_o of_o same_o man_n writing_n and_o make_v a_o public_a disputation_n of_o the_o same_o and_o therein_o cast_v it_o out_o of_o his_o church_n and_o send_v it_o back_o again_o to_o the_o pope_n market_n or_o as_o illyricus_n and_o gallus_n ibid._n pag._n 567._o write_v in_o public_a disputation_n hold_v at_o wittenberg_n 1536._o he_o more_o than_o five_o time_n iterate_v this_o speech_n that_o proposition_n good_a work_n be_v condemn_a condemn_a necessary_a to_o salvation_n we_o will_v have_v to_o be_v condemn_v abrogate_a and_o quite_o shut_v out_o of_o our_o church_n and_o school_n the_o like_a say_v scheptius_n cite_v in_o colloq_fw-la aldeburg_n p._n 153._o 349._o the_o 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foundation_n of_o popery_n shall_v be_v so_o mad_a as_o to_o admit_v this_o proposition_n we_o shall_v take_v away_o all_o distinction_n between_o we_o and_o popery_n all_o our_o religion_n will_v be_v condemn_v we_o just_o account_v schismatik_n accurse_a and_o either_o compel_v to_o recant_v our_o doctrine_n or_o to_o be_v damn_v for_o ever_o and_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n he_o cit_v many_o famous_a lutheran_n morlinus_fw-la in_o schlusselburg_n to_o 4._o catal._n haeret._n pag._n 229._o i_o be_o assure_v that_o it_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o satan_n if_o any_o say_v or_o think_v satan_n doctrine_n of_o satan_n that_o to_o a_o sinner_n as_o he_o be_v now_o after_o his_o fall_n work_n be_v any_o way_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n to_o which_o poach_n add_v p._n 266._o that_o it_o be_v doctrine_n of_o satan_n to_o say_v that_o good_a work_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n either_o in_o the_o law_n or_o in_o the_o gospel_n or_o in_o any_o part_n whatsoever_o of_o christian_a doctrine_n illyricus_n praefat._n in_o epistol_n ad_fw-la rom._n work_n be_v not_o any_o necessary_a not_o any_o way_n necessary_a way_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n hunnius_n the_o justif_a p._n 187._o this_o proposition_n wherewith_o it_o be_v say_v that_o work_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n i_o judge_v to_o be_v cast_v out_o of_o the_o church_n howsoever_o it_o be_v paint_v or_o colour_v herbrandus_fw-la in_o compendio_fw-la theol._n loco_fw-la de_fw-la bonis_fw-la operibus_fw-la let_v this_o proposition_n god_n work_v be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v cast_v away_o the_o same_o say_v many_o other_o lutheran_n who_o i_o name_v in_o my_o latin_a book_n c._n 13._o art_n 13._o confessio_fw-la heluet._n cap._n 16._o we_o do_v not_o think_v that_o good_a necessary_a god_n work_v not_o necessary_a work_n be_v so_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n that_o without_o they_o no_o man_n be_v ever_o save_v and_o to_o this_o confession_n subscribe_v the_o protestant_a church_n of_o 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proof_n which_o we_o will_v make_v to_o show_v that_o protestant_n do_v contradict_v the_o true_a sense_n of_o scripture_n shall_v be_v take_v from_o their_o own_o confession_n wherewith_o sometime_o they_o confess_v it_o implicitlie_o sometime_o plain_o and_o express_o implicit_o they_o confess_v it_o diverse_a way_n first_o because_o they_o acknowledge_v that_o they_o scripture_n protest_v can_v reconcile_v their_o doctrine_n with_o the_o scripture_n know_v not_o how_o to_o reconcile_v their_o doctrine_n with_o the_o holy_a scripture_n luther_n de_fw-fr seru_fw-fr arbit_fw-la to_o 2._o fol._n 466._o how_o this_o be_v just_a that_o he_o god_n condemn_v those_o that_o deserve_v it_o not_o be_v now_o incomprehensible_a yet_o it_o be_v believe_v till_o the_o son_n of_o man_n be_v reveal_v et_fw-fr f._n 486._o in_o the_o light_n of_o grace_n it_o be_v unanswerable_a how_o god_n condemn_v he_o who_o with_o all_o his_o power_n can_v do_v nothing_o but_o sin_n and_o be_v guilty_a here_o 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