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A16785 An apologie and true declaration of the institution and endeuours of the tvvo English colleges, the one in Rome, the other novv resident in Rhemes against certaine sinister informations giuen vp against the same. Allen, William, 1532-1594. 1581 (1581) STC 369; ESTC S122355 72,955 248

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whosoeuer doth credite and beleue he must needes be found with them vvhen the day of iudgement cometh But as for the most part they make these foul and open shiftes by disgracing and discrediting as much as in them lieth the Church and Councels and cheefe Pastors because of the scandals and faults of a fevv so sometimes they do it more closely and therfore more deceitfully vvhich their dealing is also much vvorth the noting For vvhē Sectaries pretēd to trust and obey the foure first or any other Coūcel general vvith this clause of exception so far as they determine according to expresse Scriptures Canonical there is a double deceit in their meaning First they vvould make the people beleeue that they reuerēce Councels secondly that they do the cheefe honour to the Scriptures vvhere in deede they dishonour both and make them selues iudges of both For to credit the Councels so far as they bring expresse Scriptures is no more but to trust the Scriptures vvhich if the simplest person in earth do euidently alleage he must be beleeued but vvhether the Scriptures alleaged by the Councels make for the purpose or cōuince that for vvhich they are cited that them selues vvil iudge no lesse then if the poorest tinkar in England had alleaged them Vvhich is no more as is plaine but to make them selues iudges of the Councels vvhich the simple people thought they had respected much by so solemne mētion and promises made of them Againe they purposely in naming the Scriptures adde Canonical that if an euident place be alleaged against them out of the holy Bible they may at their pleasure deny the booke to be Canonical and so escape Vvhere also they seeming to do honour to the Scriptures do in deede make thē selues iudges of the Scriptures deciding vvhich be Canonical Scriptures ād not graunting so much authoritie to the Councels and Church vvhich haue determined such things already to their hands So they bring al to their priuate fansie from the general truth and spirit of Gods Church An other vvay they vse also of like deceit to bring al to their priuate iudgement vvhen they pretend sometimes rather to be tried by Councels and Popes or Priests past many hundred yeres sithence then by the Councels See Apostolike and other iudgements of their ovvne daies pretending that they vvil yeld to the foure first Councels or See Apostolike and Popes vvhen they vvere good vvith an exception yet for their more security so far as they agree vvith Gods vvord for that they knovv that the Popes and Councels of old dealt not directly vvith their opinions though vvhen any came obiter in their vvaies they condemned them of heresies but vvith other Sectes and false Prophetes proper to those times Vvhereas in deede the old Councels and their decrees are rather instructions and recordes to vs and to the Councels in these daies thē iudgements or iudges of our actions or persons tovvards vvhom they proceeded not directly nor iudicially but the See Apostolike Prelates and Coūcels of our time vnder vvhose povver and iurisdiction al Christian men are be our iudges and may resolue define and determine iudicially in our cases of Controuersie and vve are bound to obey these as the former Christians those in times past God in the Scriptures plainely cōmaunding in doubtful cases to go to the Priestād Iudge for the time being ād vve are vvarned to obey the Church present not onely past the old fathers Popes and Councels being recordes of truth but the other being iudges of our causes and hauing iurisdiction of our persons Vvhich to auoid they feine an appellation to the former onely esteeming in deede of both alike as of men deceiued as of humane traditions and so forth as in their vvritings is most euident vvhere from Peters time dovvnevvard they make the cheefest fathers the ministers and furtherers of Antichrist Al this is no more but both to barke and flee at once for ansvvers be they none Let them obiect any thing against vs vve say to it roundly this must needes be the sense by comparing other Scriptures to the same thus such and such a Doctor expounde it thus the fathers interprete it thus such and such a general Councel vnderstande it If they obiect against praying for the dead vve giue them S. Augustines ansvver to Aerius and his vvhole booke de cura pro mottuis if they argue against the honouring of holy Relikes and Pilgrimage vve ansvver vvith S. Hieroms vvordes against Vigilantius if they dispute against the inuocation of Saints or vvorshipping the holy Crosse ād other memories of Christ or his Martyrs vve giue them S. Cyrils solution against Iulian the Apostata if they dispute against the holy Sacrifice vve appoint them to S. Chrysostoms solution vpon the Epistle to the Hebues if they contend against the corporal presence of Christes body and bloud in the Sacrament vve referre thē to Lateran Councel against Berengarius and to the iudgement of al antiquity if they alleage against sacred Images vve lay dovvne vnto them the ansvver and resolution of the second Councel of Nice of S. Gregorie to Serenus of S. Damascene in his 3 bookes of that argument if they stād vvith vs against the povver of Priesthod to remitte sinnes vve ansvver them as S. Ambrose and others did the Nouatians and so forth in al cases And yet they vvil not yeld but flee from al Councels and Fathers to their ovvne imaginarie sense of Scriptures pretending to be tried onely by them and by conferring the sense vvhich liketh thē to the like sence of other places conceiued alike in their ovvne imagination Vvherein they are like to the forgers of false coynes that vvould not haue their money tried by the touchstone but by some other peeces either of true and fine metals or of some such like forged vvare as their ovvne So that it falleth out betvvixt vs and the Protestants in such things as it did by Plutarchs report about tvvo famous vvrestlers in the games of Olympus of vvhich the one being both strōger and nimbler then the other did often and easily giue his felovv a faire fall but yet being laid on the ground he vvould neuer confesse that it vvas a fall but by vvordes gestures and shuffling to and fro so dasled the senses of the standers by that the victor could not get sentence of his side and therfore he vsed to say that he could easily ouerthrovv his companion but not stop his mouth or cause him to confesse so much Euen so vve can easily thankes be to God ouerthrovv the Protestants but vve can not tie their tonges Of vvhich kind of men S. Hierom also had this experience Facilius eos vinci posse quàm persuaderi that they may more easily be ouercome then persuaded And againe cùm disputare nesciāt litigare tamen nō desinunt vvhen they can not dispute yet they cease not to vvrangle
Gods vvord that preeminence aboue Protestants they haue also Finally if the time of their liuing in this vvorld vvas by much more then a thousand yeres in diuers of them neerer to Christ then ours is and thereby they might very easily trace out the Apostles doctrine by the report of not many ages before them in these things novv doubted of that aduantage also they had beyond the Protestants Al these things vvith vvhat other prescriptions so euer any Catholikes haue had against Heretikes in al age vve haue against the Protestants in the most euident sort that can be So that vve may very fitly say as S. Augustine did by the like comparison onely changing the Heretikes names Hath long time so confounded heauen and earth light and darknes that Luther Caluin Zuinglius Bucer Beza do see and Hilarie Gregorie Ambrose Hierom Chrysostom and the rest are blind Therfore if either grace cōmon sense diuine or humane probabilitie vvil serue our Schooles cary al vvith them against the Aduersaries if the expresse vvordes of Scriptures may preuail vve haue them a thousand times more cleere for vs then the Aduersaries haue for them if the sense must be sought for vve haue as many helps of nature of learning and of grace honour and thankes be to God as they haue to find it out the sentence is giuen for vs and against our Aduersaries in al the Tribunals of Gods Church Al Vniuersities al Colleges al Churches al Bishoprickes al Monasteries al monuments of Christianitie vvere made by and for Catholikes and for Protestants none Al the soules of our Christian fathers al the Saints in heauen al their actions vvorkes vvritings liues and deaths professe for vs. Therfore if our doctrine be erroneous there is no truth nor can be no God Christ religion nor saluation Vvhich Atheisme is the end of al these vnhappy reuolts from the vnitie of Gods people And for the particular points of our doctrine Catholike vve haue and diuers other learned in banishment haue before vs by sundrie bookes in our vulgare tonge defended them vvith al maner of learning and proofes that the Protestants them selues required and haue refuted the contrary inuincibly By vvhich combat in vvriting bookes though they vvere the chalengers and promised for the entertainemēt therof or at least vvished in shevv of vvordes al freedom and impunitie yet aftervvard they vvere driuen to forbid the entering hauing or reading of al our vvorkes Vvherevpon madde I. Pace meeting one day vvith M. Iuel called the B. of Salisburie but not secundum vsum Sarū the Protestāts chāpion saluted his L. courtly and said Novv my Lord ꝙ he you may be at rest vvith these felovves for you are quit by Proclamatiō Neuertheles the Aduersaries haue not ceased to make shevv of ansvver to diuers of the said Catholikes vvritings but vvith such il grace in the sight of al vvise men that they haue rather furthered our cause then their ovvne For their ansvver is nothing els but a plaine running avvay like vnto some covvardly dogges that fleing from the fight yet in running avvay looke backe and barke and bay at their enimie or the game vvhich any man of iudgement may sone espie Alleage them Scriptures it is not Canonical alleage that vvhich them selues acknovvledge to be Canonical they corrupt it vvith false translation deceitful alteration fantastical glosing such as neuer came to any vvise faithful mās mind before Alleage them Doctors they deny the bookes alleage others or their bookes confessed they say they vvere in a blind age of some that they folovved the errors of the Gentility of al together that they vvere men Alleage sacred Councels they vvil not beleeue them vvithout expresse Scriptures Vvhen vve reply yea but vvhy beleeue you not these men and Saints and iudicial meanes of trial of the true sense of Scriptures seing you are but men also your selues and a litle vvorse men then they then at length they come to the spirit of God vvhich they arrogate to thē selues and deny it to Gods Church Priests and Councels to vvhom it vvas promised And being at this exigent they flee from the question of doctrine to liues and maners of Popes Prelates and Priests as though there vvere any creature liuing more profane and impure then the preacher Protestant or al vvere true vvhich the deepe hatred and malice of Heretikes feine against Gods Priests or the vulgar vices of humane frailety vvere the fruites by vvhich false teachers be tried or vve for the condemmation of the Protestants doctrine charged them onely or specially vvith the sinnes incident to mens infirmitie of euery sort and not rather vvith such crimes as be natural to Heretikes namely of this sect Vve charge them vvith rebellion against Christes Church lavves and ordinances vvith disobediēce to their lavvful Pastors vvith contempt of holy Councels fathers and Doctors vvith falsifying corrupting denying diuers bookes and places of holy Scripture vvith contention and dissension among them selues disturbances of Kingdoms and Countries desire of liberty and nouelty inconstance and daily chaunge of their opinions presumptuous arrogance and vaunting of their knovvledge aboue al antiquity vvith singularity sacrilege apostasie incestuous mariages of vovved persons spoile of Churches profanation of al holy things preaching and teaching altogether to the disgracing of fasting vvatching virginity continencie voluntarie pouerty al good vvorkes and many other points directly tending to the corruption of good life in al states finally vvith blasphemie against Christes Sacrifice Sacraments Saincts and such like their enormities vvhich are faults properly proceding from their doctrine and therfore far vnlike to those proceding onely of humane infirmitie and mans frailety vvith vvhich they either falsly or truely charge the Clergie and specially the Popes and See Apostolike euen as the Nouatians and Donatistes did before them Vvhich offenses do so litle preiudice the truth and doctrine of the same Seat that S. Augustine auoucheth if some Iudas or traitor vvere in that office as there vvas one in the College of the Apostles that it could not be preiudicial to the doctrine of that See or the peoples obedience to the same Our heauēly Maister saith he concerning naughty Gouernours of the Church hath made the people secure and void of care that for them the Chaire of holesom doctrine be not forsaken in which euen the euil them selues are compelled to speake good thinges For it is not their owne that they speake but Gods who in the chaire of vnitie hath put the doctrine of veritie And S. Cyprian giueth vvarning to all faithful people not to maruel nor in any vvise to trust an Heretike specially one fallen into relapse vvhen he raileth on Gods Priests With the fallen and profane saith he and such as are out of the Church out of vvhose breastes the holy Ghost is departed there can be nothing els but a wicked or peruerse mind and deceitful tonge and venemous hatred and sacrilegious lies Whom