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in_o his_o auestation_n of_o church-gov_a p._n 118._o &_o 178._o church_n plea._n p._n 94._o embrace_v synod_n and_o great_o to_o approve_v of_o the_o benefit_n that_o come_v by_o they_o but_o herein_o be_v the_o point_n of_o difference_n that_o they_o do_v limit_n &_o confine_v all_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n within_o the_o bound_n of_o a_o particular_a congregation_n though_o they_o acknowledge_v synod_n to_o be_v lawful_a expedient_a and_o necessary_a yet_o this_o they_o hold_v to_o be_v only_o in_o regard_n of_o counsel_n &_o advise_v for_o provocation_n direction_n &_o countenance_n but_o do_v not_o acknowledge_v they_o to_o have_v any_o authority_n to_o give_v sentence_n for_o the_o decision_n of_o cause_n they_o do_v not_o allow_v class_n or_o synod_n to_o use_v any_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n or_o censure_n in_o judge_v the_o controversy_n that_o arise_v in_o particular_a congregation_n they_o maintain_v that_o etc._n that_o church_n plea._n pref_o mr_n dau._n reply_n p._n 229_o etc._n etc._n every_o particular_a congregation_n be_v independent_a not_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o this_o opposition_n of_o class_n &_o synod_n be_v make_v special_o by_o the_o 9_o the_o h._n barrow_n discov_n p._n 190._o 191._o apol._n of_o brown_n pos_fw-la 9_o brownist_n and_o by_o they_o have_v the_o minister_n of_o england_n be_v reproach_v for_o the_o respect_n which_o they_o have_v unto_o synod_n after_o they_o mr_n jacob_n in_o his_o writing_n often_o allow_v they_o for_o counsel_n 33_o counsel_n necess_n of_o reform_v p._n 31_o 32_o 33_o yet_o deny_v the_o power_n &_o authority_n which_o we_o asscribe_v unto_o they_o and_o in_o that_o book_n which_o be_v entitle_v english_a puritanisme_n etc._n puritanisme_n chap._n 2._o art_n 3.6_o etc._n etc._n this_o their_o opinion_n be_v most_o plain_o &_o peremptory_o propound_v and_o now_o also_o mr_n davenp_n though_o he_o 226_o he_o apolog._n repl._n p._n 226_o allow_v a_o combination_n of_o particular_a church_n in_o class_n and_o synod_n and_o such_o a_o consociation_n of_o they_o as_o be_v between_o equal_n and_o be_v by_o way_n of_o counsel_n or_o brotherly_a direction_n yet_o he_o say_v 229._o say_v ibid._n p._n 229._o that_o their_o authority_n be_v not_o a_o prerogative_n of_o jurisdiction_n but_o of_o estimation_n &_o reverence_n rather_o because_o god_n ordinance_n have_v limit_v the_o former_a viz._n jurisdiction_n to_o particular_a church_n as_o his_o delegate_n in_o their_o own_o matter_n &_o it_o be_v not_o in_o their_o power_n to_o alienate_v it_o from_o themselves_o but_o the_o latter_a viz._n estimation_n &_o reverence_n be_v due_a to_o class_n consist_v of_o grave_n learned_a prudent_a and_o faithful_a man_n for_o their_o excellent_a personal_a gift_n in_o which_o respect_n their_o judgement_n be_v to_o be_v much_o value_v &_o receyve_v with_o due_a regard_n but_o if_o any_o do_v asscribe_v unto_o class_n a_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n over_o particular_a church_n and_o that_o in_o thing_n which_o he_o call_v proper_a unto_o themselves_o this_o he_o say_v 230._o say_v ibid._n p._n 230._o be_v to_o subject_v particular_a church_n under_o a_o undue_a power_n this_o he_o call_v a_o usurp_a power_n now_o then_o behold_v what_o this_o estimation_n &_o reverence_n be_v which_o mr_n dau._n allow_v to_o classical_a assembly_n or_o synod_n viz._n not_o so_o much_o power_n as_o be_v allow_v to_o any_o one_o man_n though_o it_o be_v the_o most_o ignorant_a and_o offensive_a that_o be_v a_o member_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n for_o when_o a_o controversy_n arise_v about_o the_o election_n of_o a_o minister_n the_o one_o half_a of_o the_o congregation_n give_v voice_n for_o he_o another_o half_a except_v against_o he_o as_o unsound_a in_o doctrine_n &_o unfit_a for_o they_o if_o a_o whole_a classical_a assembly_n of_o minister_n &_o elder_n depute_v from_o all_o the_o church_n round_o about_o do_v also_o 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repl_n p._n 47._o he_o pretend_v mr_n cartwr_n his_o authority_n to_o prove_v that_o other_o church_n have_v no_o power_n of_o hinder_v a_o faulty_a election_n but_o by_o admonition_n which_o power_n every_o christian_a have_v in_o another_o for_o his_o good_a the_o special_a or_o only_a remedy_n which_o the_o opposite_n fly_v unto_o in_o such_o case_n be_v the_o help_n of_o the_o magistrate_n but_o hereby_o the_o importance_n of_o this_o question_n and_o the_o danger_n of_o despise_v synod_n may_v appear_v though_o they_o hold_v that_o christ_n have_v not_o subject_v any_o church_n or_o congregation_n of_o he_o to_o any_o other_o superior_a ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n then_o unto_o that_o which_o be_v within_o itself_o etc._n etc._n yet_o they_o hold_v 3_o hold_v engl._n purit_fw-la cap._n 2._o §_o 6._o &_o 3_o that_o if_o in_o the_o choice_n of_o minister_n any_o particular_a church_n shall_v err_v that_o none_o upon_o the_o earth_n but_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n to_o control_n or_o correct_v the_o same_o for_o it_o etc._n etc._n that_o in_o such_o case_n other_o be_v to_o leave_v their_o soul_n to_o the_o immediate_a judgement_n of_o christ_n and_o their_o body_n to_o the_o sword_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n etc._n etc._n but_o this_o help_n &_o remedy_n be_v weak_a &_o insufficient_a &_o that_o many_o way_n for_o i._o the_o church_n of_o christ_n do_v sometime_o remain_v under_o heathenish_a magistrate_n that_o either_o regard_v not_o the_o cause_n of_o the_o church_n &_o refuse_v to_o judge_v their_o controversy_n as_o paul_n &_o gallio_n john_n 18.31_o act._n 18.14_o 15._o or_o else_o seek_v whole_o to_o root_v out_o the_o same_o ii_o the_o church_n be_v sometime_o disperse_v &_o sojourn_v in_o the_o country_n of_o popish_a prince_n and_o magistrate_n as_o the_o church_n which_o at_o this_o day_n live_v under_o the_o cross_n in_o brabant_n &_o flanders_n &_o sundry_a other_o place_n where_o they_o keep_v themselves_o as_o secret_a
than_o those_o that_o do_v so_o many_o way_n pervert_v his_o meaning_n he_o be_v not_o only_o a_o member_n of_o the_o same_o church_n but_o a_o member_n of_o the_o same_o family_n &_o live_v under_o the_o same_o roof_n with_o i_o where_o we_o have_v continual_a and_o daily_a occasion_n to_o talk_v of_o these_o thing_n and_o at_o that_o time_n when_o mr_n jacob_n publish_v his_o unsound_a writing_n touch_v this_o question_n he_o be_v afterward_o also_o a_o member_n of_o the_o same_o eldership_n and_o by_o office_n sit_v with_o we_o daily_o to_o heat_n and_o judge_v the_o cause_n of_o our_o church_n and_o so_o become_v a_o member_n of_o our_o classical_a combination_n yet_o do_v he_o never_o testify_v against_o the_o unduepower_v of_o the_o classis_fw-la or_o complain_v that_o we_o be_v not_o a_o free_a people_n though_o the_o classis_fw-la exercise_v the_o same_o authority_n then_o as_o now_o it_o do_v yea_o he_o be_v also_o for_o that_o time_n the_o scribe_n of_o our_o consistory_n 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purit_fw-la c._n 2._o first_o writing_n iu._n and_o more_o particular_o in_o his_o treatise_n of_o divinity_n he_o write_v thus_o of_o particular_a church_n 27._o church_n medulla_n ss_z theol._n l._n 1._o c._n 39_o the_o 27._o that_o as_o their_o communion_n require_v the_o light_n of_o nature_n &_o equity_n of_o rule_n and_o example_n of_o scripture_n do_v teach_v they_o may_v and_o also_o ought_v frequent_o to_o enter_v into_o a_o mutual_a confederation_n and_o consociation_n among_o themselves_o in_o class_n and_o synod_n that_o they_o may_v use_v common_a consent_n and_o mutual_a help_n as_o much_o as_o commodious_o may_v be_v do_v in_o those_o thing_n especial_o which_o be_v of_o great_a moment_n now_o as_o in_o particular_a congregation_n the_o great_a act_n of_o power_n and_o jurisdiction_n which_o be_v exercise_v therein_o receive_v their_o strength_n from_o common_a consent_n and_o do_v consist_v therein_o so_o if_o in_o matter_n of_o great_a weight_n the_o common_a consent_n 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understand_v touch_v the_o subjection_n of_o any_o one_o church_n to_o another_o and_o not_o of_o subjection_n to_o many_o church_n for_o so_o he_o expound_v himself_o touch_v this_o particular_a of_o communication_n by_o letter_n as_o he_o have_v often_o do_v before_o in_o general_a for_o whereas_o it_o be_v object_v if_o all_o congregation_n be_v equal_a what_o shall_v be_v do_v in_o case_n of_o schism_n and_o heresy_n when_o there_o be_v no_o synod_n nor_o christian_a magistrate_n he_o answer_v 324._o answer_v ibid._n c._n 21._o p._n 324._o the_o time_n scarce_o fall_v out_o when_o no_o synod_n can_v be_v have_v or_o if_o synod_n be_v want_v yet_o church_n may_v communicate_v together_o by_o letter_n and_o although_o there_o be_v no_o authority_n in_o one_o church_n above_o another_o yet_o many_o church_n join_v together_o either_o in_o a_o synod_n or_o by_o letter_n have_v authority_n over_o one_o church_n offend_v and_o in_o the_o next_o page_n 325._o page_n p._n 325._o again_o 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messenger_n also_o this_o consideration_n be_v of_o great_a moment_n for_o unto_o whosoever_o this_o handle_n of_o ecclesiastical_a business_n do_v belong_v to_o they_o also_o of_o necessity_n do_v belong_v the_o rest_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n this_o he_o often_o repeat_v but_o most_o full_o when_o speak_v of_o the_o authority_n of_o send_v messenger_n or_o delegate_n he_o say_v 342._o say_v p._n 342._o the_o power_n of_o send_v delegate_n in_o ecclesiastical_a affair_n be_v not_o in_o any_o one_o bishop_n but_o in_o the_o church_n itself_o and_o therefore_o all_o the_o other_o jurisdiction_n now_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o synod_n at_o jerusalem_n do_v send_v delegate_n in_o a_o ecclesiastical_a business_n act._n 15.25_o 26_o 27._o and_o therefore_o according_a to_o mr_n parker_n do_v not_o only_o consult_v &_o admonish_v but_o also_o exercise_v jurisdiction_n therein_o and_o have_v the_o power_n of_o all_o other_o jurisdiction_n thus_o the_o reform_a church_n do_v daily_o practice_v their_o class_n and_o synod_n do_v upon_o occasion_n send_v their_o deputy_n unto_o particular_a church_n to_o judge_v compound_n and_o decide_v the_o
part_n deny_v the_o authority_n of_o particular_a eldership_n as_o we_o see_v in_o the_o brownist_n and_o therefore_o after_o private_a admonition_n do_v in_o a_o popular_a order_n refer_v the_o judgement_n even_o of_o lesser_a matter_n unto_o the_o public_a examination_n and_o decision_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n assemble_v together_o not_o permit_v the_o same_o to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o eldership_n mr_n baynes_n do_v also_o impugn_v this_o practice_n for_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o rule_n of_o discipline_n matt._n 18._o where_o christ_n do_v manifest_o suppose_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n to_o be_v in_o many_o yet_o after_o some_o other_o observation_n touch_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o word_n church_n he_o further_o explain_v himself_o when_o he_o add_v these_o note_n and_o say_v 80._o say_v diocese_n trial_n p._n 80._o three_o as_o christ_n do_v speak_v it_o of_o any_o ordinary_a particular_a church_n indistinct_o so_o he_o do_v by_o the_o name_n of_o church_n not_o 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church_n of_o one_o particular_a congregation_n as_o before_o from_o act._n 15._o he_o acknowledge_v a_o representative_a church_n in_o the_o synod_n for_o many_o church_n vi_o whereas_o mr_n dau._n allege_v out_o of_o mr_n parker_n that_o the_o power_n ecclesiastical_a do_v the_o essential_o and_o primary_o reside_v in_o the_o church_n itself_o as_o in_o its_o proper_a subject_n although_o this_o be_v no_o ground_n for_o the_o refutation_n of_o that_o power_n and_o jurisdiction_n belong_v to_o synod_n as_o i_o have_v show_v 89.90_o show_v p._n 89.90_o before_o yet_o even_o this_o ground_n also_o be_v deny_v by_o mr_n baynes_n who_o go_v not_o so_o far_o as_o mr_n parker_n etc._n parker_n pol._n ecc._n l._n 3._o c._n 8._o p._n 28._o etc._n etc._n touch_v the_o derivation_n of_o all_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n from_o a_o particular_a church_n as_o from_o the_o fountain_n but_o do_v in_o some_o part_n oppose_v that_o opinion_n especial_o in_o respect_n of_o that_o influence_n of_o 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when_o their_o confession_n of_o faith_n be_v object_v against_o i_o that_o which_o mr_n can_v 91._o can_v ch._n pl._n p._n 91._o allege_v from_o the_o synod_n of_o middelburgh_n an._n 1581._o be_v also_o mistake_v by_o he_o there_o be_v no_o such_o thing_n find_v in_o that_o synod_n as_o he_o mention_v touch_v election_n do_v by_o voice_n public_o in_o the_o temple_n and_o if_o it_o have_v be_v there_o yet_o shall_v not_o that_o prejudice_n the_o authority_n of_o synod_n or_o class_n in_o allow_v or_o censure_v such_o election_n either_o before_o or_o after_o they_o be_v make_v again_o it_o be_v object_v the_o synod_n of_o tilleburgh_n in_o nasovia_n determine_v the_o like_a as_o zepperus_n 831._o zepperus_n pol._n ecc._n p._n 831._o write_v answ._n the_o determination_n of_o this_o synod_n be_v like_a unto_o those_o before_o mention_v be_v therefore_o direct_o against_o my_o opposite_n as_o the_o former_a be_v zepperus_n in_o his_o preface_n to_o the_o article_n agree_v upon_o in_o this_o synod_n tell_v we_o how_o the_o earl_n of_o nassau_n have_v see_v the_o article_n of_o the_o synod_n hold_v in_o middelburgh_n anno_fw-la 1581._o he_o take_v such_o like_n thereof_o that_o in_o the_o year_n follow_v he_o call_v the_o special_a minister_n of_o his_o country_n together_o unto_o a_o synod_n in_o tilleburgh_n require_v that_o the_o agreement_n of_o the_o aforesaid_a synod_n may_v be_v apply_v unto_o the_o use_n of_o the_o church_n under_o his_o dominion_n so_o far_o as_o they_o well_o can_v hereupon_o the_o principal_a conclusion_n thereof_o be_v receive_v and_o confirm_v among_o they_o and_o so_o far_o as_o do_v show_v their_o full_a consent_n in_o the_o point_n of_o our_o controversy_n viz._n that_o particular_a congregation_n be_v to_o be_v subject_a unto_o a_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n of_o synod_n and_o class_n therefore_o it_o be_v agree_v 4._o agree_v ib._n p._n 833_o art_n 4._o that_o the_o call_n of_o minister_n shall_v be_v make_v by_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o 834._o that_o p._n 834._o where_o divers_a examine_v of_o the_o church_n or_o of_o it_o &_o the_o classical_a assembly_n together_o be_v judge_v to_o be_v fit_a than_o the_o election_n be_v to_o be_v in_o the_o power_n of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o be_v do_v by_o suffrage_n public_o in_o the_o temple_n and_o if_o they_o be_v equal_a then_o to_o use_v lot_n etc._n etc._n this_o seem_v to_o be_v the_o article_n which_o mr_n c._n stumble_v at_o before_o as_o if_o it_o have_v be_v so_o write_v in_o the_o synod_n of_o middelb_n 1581._o which_o yet_o do_v not_o exclude_v the_o precedent_a allowance_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la in_o such_o election_n moreover_o it_o be_v there_o agree_v 23._o agree_v p._n 837._o art_n 23._o that_o if_o any_o complain_v of_o wrong_n do_v in_o a_o lesser_a assembly_n or_o synod_n he_o may_v refer_v the_o matter_n by_o appeal_n unto_o a_o superior_a synod_n 61._o synod_n p._n 843._o art_n 61._o
and_o lesser_a poland_n in_o lithuania_n russia_n and_o samogitia_n have_v likewise_o show_v their_o consent_n with_o we_o in_o this_o point_n of_o subject_v particular_a church_n under_o the_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n of_o synod_n and_o have_v witness_v the_o same_o in_o divers_a solemn_a assembly_n they_o profess_v 19_o profess_v syntag._n confess_v par_fw-fr 2._o p._n 294._o syn._n posna_n 1570._o art_n 19_o that_o when_o controversy_n arise_v which_o can_v be_v compound_v among_o themselves_o the_o judgement_n and_o decree_n of_o a_o general_a synod_n of_o all_o their_o church_n be_v then_o to_o be_v require_v and_o to_o be_v submit_v unto_o they_o agree_v wlodisl_n agree_v ib._n p._n 300_o 303._o syn._n crac._n xans_n wlodisl_n that_o divers_a kind_n of_o synod_n be_v to_o be_v hold_v among_o they_o some_o great_a &_o some_o less_o that_o their_o synodical_a constitution_n be_v to_o be_v put_v in_o execution_n that_o the_o violatour_n thereof_o be_v to_o be_v subject_a unto_o the_o censure_n of_o deposition_n and_o excommunication_n etc._n etc._n they_o ordain_v 17._o ordain_v p._n 320-326_a syn._n toru_n 1591._o art_n 2_o 3_o 7.14_o 17._o that_o every_o evangelicall_n minister_n be_v not_o only_o to_o have_v and_o to_o read_v the_o canon_n of_o their_o synod_n but_o also_o to_o carry_v himself_o and_o to_o govern_v the_o church_n commit_v unto_o he_o according_a to_o the_o prescript_n thereof_o and_o that_o under_o pain_n of_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n that_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n be_v to_o be_v administer_v public_o either_o in_o the_o congregation_n or_o in_o the_o synod_n etc._n etc._n moreover_o it_o be_v worthy_a to_o be_v remember_v how_o the_o church_n of_o the_o netherlands_o even_o at_o that_o time_n when_o they_o be_v scatter_v abroad_o in_o high-dutchland_a and_o eastfriestand_n in_o that_o time_n of_o most_o bloody_a persecution_n under_o the_o government_n of_o duke_n d'_fw-fr alva_n do_v then_o in_o their_o banishment_n 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they_o in_o the_o forementioned_a synod_n by_o common_a advise_v agree_v 12._o agree_v synod_n embd._n art_n 12._o to_o exhort_v the_o english_a that_o they_o will_v combine_v their_o church_n into_o a_o classis_fw-la and_o according_o this_o order_n of_o government_n be_v approve_v by_o they_o as_o appear_v in_o that_o book_n of_o their_o discipline_n frame_v for_o the_o use_n of_o the_o english_a church_n in_o these_o country_n where_o it_o be_v say_v in_o the_o end_n edit_n end_n form_n of_o comm._n prayer_n administr_n etc._n etc._n print_v at_o middleb_n 1602_o the_o 4._o edit_n this_o may_v be_v sufficient_a for_o particular_a congregation_n for_o the_o visitation_n whereof_o and_o decision_n of_o cause_n which_o can_v be_v end_v among_o they_o and_o such_o like_a meeting_n conference_n &_o synod_n of_o minister_n and_o elder_n choose_v by_o particular_a church_n and_o meeting_n be_v to_o be_v hold_v as_o the_o minister_n for_o time_n and_o place_n and_o other_o circumstance_n shall_v think_v meet_a with_o a._n with_o ibid._n p._n d_o 7._o b._n &_o 8._o a_o b._n &_o f_o 3._o a._n consent_n and_o allowance_n of_o these_o minister_n of_o such_o class_n or_o conference_n together_o with_o consent_n of_o the_o eldership_n be_v the_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n of_o particular_a congregation_n to_o be_v elect_v and_o then_o the_o name_n of_o such_o be_v signify_v to_o the_o congregation_n for_o inquiry_n after_o their_o fitness_n warning_n be_v give_v that_o if_o within_o twenty_o day_n no_o just_a exception_n be_v take_v than_o their_o silence_n shall_v be_v account_v as_o the_o free_a consent_n of_o the_o congregation_n etc._n etc._n to_o conclude_v beside_o the_o testimony_n of_o reform_a church_n several_o &_o apart_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v amiss_o to_o behold_v the_o harmony_n of_o their_o joint_a consent_n in_o the_o deputy_n of_o the_o say_a church_n assemble_v together_o in_o the_o nationall_n synod_n of_o dort_n than_o which_o it_o be_v right_o judge_v that_o 3._o that_o molin_n anat._v armin_n praef_n a_o 3._o there_o have_v not_o be_v for_o many_o age_n past_a any_o synod_n more_o renown_v or_o more_o holy_a or_o more_o profitable_a to_o the_o church_n when_o as_o the_o remonstrant_n upon_o pretence_n of_o partiality_n &_o schism_n in_o their_o judge_n seek_v to_o decline_v the_o authority_n &_o sentence_n of_o this_o synod_n the_o divine_n of_o other_o nation_n depute_v from_o several_a church_n have_v give_v such_o judgement_n thereof_o as_o show_v a_o plain_a condemnation_n of_o my_o opposite_n opinion_n the_o judgement_n of_o the_o divine_n of_o great_a britain_n who_o allege_v the_o perpetual_a practice_n of_o all_o church_n be_v this_o that_o 97._o that_o act._n syn._n nat._n dordr_n sess_n 29._o p._n 97._o the_o high_a power_n of_o determine_v controversy_n in_o every_o church_n be_v in_o the_o nationall_n synod_n lawful_o call_v together_o &_o frame_a etc._n etc._n the_o judgement_n of_o divine_n out_o of_o the_o palatinate_n be_v like_a unto_o the_o former_a they_o 98._o they_o ibid._n p._n 98._o allege_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n both_o in_o the_o old_a &_o new_a testament_n for_o confirmation_n thereof_o and_o show_v their_o own_o practice_n to_o have_v be_v such_o that_o some_o author_n of_o novelty_n be_v admonish_v first_o of_o their_o classis_fw-la and_o then_o of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a senate_n and_o be_v refractory_a be_v then_o dismiss_v that_o be_v depose_v from_o their_o place_n the_o divine_n of_o hassia_n agree_v with_o the_o former_a and_o upon_o the_o like_a ground_n they_o 100_o they_o ibid._n p._n 100_o show_v the_o practice_n of_o their_o own_o church_n that_o for_o the_o repress_v of_o the_o error_n of_o the_o vbiquitarian_n divers_a nationall_n synod_n have_v be_v hold_v by_o authority_n of_o the_o four_o brethren_n prince_n of_o hassia_n and_o that_o since_o again_o the_o prince_n maurice_n landgrave_n of_o hassia_n have_v call_v another_o general_a synod_n 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ibid._n p._n 104._o maintain_v the_o same_o thing_n and_o hold_v
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