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authority_n belong_v to_o the_o church_n primary_o etc._n etc._n do_v it_o follow_v hence_o that_o the_o power_n of_o classical_a and_o provincial_n synod_n be_v a_o undâ—â—_n power_n as_o w.b._n and_o mr_n c._n accuse_v they_o do_v it_o not_o rather_o follow_v that_o there_o be_v a_o due_a power_n secondary_o and_o by_o delegation_n in_o synod_n where_o the_o deputy_n of_o the_o church_n meet_v together_o in_o their_o name_n mr_n parker_n 42._o parker_n pol._n eccl_n l._n 3._o p._n 29.30_o &_o 42._o from_o who_o he_o have_v both_o these_o testimony_n do_v not_o so_o allege_v they_o against_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n he_o may_v have_v see_v these_o word_n in_o the_o same_o place_n cite_v by_o mr_n parker_n out_o of_o saravia_n whereby_o authority_n be_v asscribe_v not_o only_o unto_o the_o church_n but_o also_o unto_o synod_n when_o he_o be_v 42._o be_v ibid._n p._n 42._o bring_v in_o say_v bishop_n &_o archbishop_n have_v no_o authority_n but_o what_o be_v confer_v and_o 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bottomless_a pit_n have_v darken_v the_o sun_n and_o the_o air_n he_o be_v lead_v aside_o through_o ignorance_n to_o exalt_v antichrist_n and_o write_v unto_o pope_n eugenius_n that_o have_v be_v his_o disciple_n he_o give_v he_o these_o most_o ambitious_a title_n and_o 8._o and_o de_fw-fr consi_fw-la ad_fw-la eugen._n l._n 2._o c._n 8._o call_v he_o the_o great_a priest_n the_o supreme_a high_a priest_n the_o prince_n of_o bishop_n the_o heir_n of_o the_o apostle_n abel_n in_o primacy_n noah_n in_o government_n abraham_n in_o patriarkship_n melchisedek_n in_o order_n aaron_z in_o dignity_n moses_n in_o authority_n samuel_n in_o judgement_n peter_n in_o power_n christ_n in_o unction_n etc._n etc._n the_o only_a pastor_n of_o all_o flock_n and_o of_o all_o pastor_n themselves_o etc._n etc._n the_o vicar_n of_o christ_n etc._n etc._n and_o though_o otherwise_o he_o give_v many_o lively_a testimony_n of_o a_o godly_a mind_n that_o be_v in_o he_o yet_o not_o without_o cause_n be_v he_o 425.426_o he_o whit._fw-la de_fw-la pont._n rom._n q._n 4._o p._n 425.426_o tax_v for_o blasphemy_n in_o these_o unrighteous_a title_n give_v to_o the_o man_n of_o sin_n more_o particular_o in_o his_o first_o epistle_n which_o he_o write_v unto_o eugenius_n after_o he_o be_v create_v pope_n upon_o occasion_n of_o the_o controversy_n that_o be_v betwixt_o the_o archbishop_n of_o york_n &_o the_o archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n he_o put_v this_o pope_n in_o mind_n that_o he_o 237._o he_o bernar._n ad_fw-la eugen._n epist_n 237._o have_v authority_n to_o judge_v the_o controversy_n that_o arise_v in_o other_o church_n and_o wish_v he_o to_o use_v the_o same_o and_o to_o give_v unto_o they_o according_a to_o their_o work_n that_o they_o may_v know_v there_o be_v a_o prophet_n in_o israel_n and_o write_v again_o 238_o again_o ep._n 238_o of_o the_o same_o matter_n he_o call_v the_o archbishop_n of_o york_n that_o idol_n of_o york_n in_o regard_n of_o his_o intrusion_n he_o may_v better_o have_v entitle_v eugenius_n the_o idol_n of_o rome_n &_o provoke_v the_o pope_n as_o have_v the_o fullnes_n of_o power_n to_o cast_v his_o dart_n to_o give_v peremptory_a sentence_n of_o deposition_n against_o the_o arch_n b._n and_o as_o the_o phrase_n of_o bernard_n be_v to_o lighten_v or_o strike_v with_o the_o thunderbolt_n of_o his_o power_n the_o like_a exercise_n of_o power_n over_o those_o in_o other_o congregation_n be_v often_o elsewhere_o 190._o elsewhere_o ad_fw-la innoc_n epist_n 189_o &_o 190._o allow_v by_o he_o and_o hereby_o it_o may_v appear_v how_o gross_o mr_n can_n have_v allege_v these_o ancient_a writer_n quite_o contrary_a to_o their_o meaning_n and_o bernard_n in_o special_a that_o subject_n congregation_n not_o only_o to_o counsel_n and_o synod_n as_o the_o father_n before_o allege_v have_v just_o do_v but_o do_v unjust_o subject_v they_o to_o one_o person_n even_o to_o the_o
that_o if_o his_o order_n of_o synod_n may_v be_v refuse_v by_o such_o as_o deserve_v ecclesiastical_a censure_n that_o then_o a_o door_n shall_v be_v open_v to_o all_o heresy_n &_o sect_n &_o all_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n whereunto_o christ_n send_v we_o shall_v be_v subvert_v etc._n etc._n the_o divine_n of_o embden_n 1â—7_n embden_n ibid._n p._n 1â—7_n accord_n with_o the_o rest_n and_o beside_o other_o reason_n for_o confirmation_n of_o synodall_n authority_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n they_o allege_v that_o very_a place_n of_o scripture_n act._n 20.28_o which_o my_o opposite_n pervert_v to_o a_o contrary_a end_n against_o i_o neither_o have_v they_o only_o in_o general_n show_v what_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n be_v and_o also_o what_o this_o synod_n may_v do_v but_o the_o synod_n go_v further_a and_o proceed_v unto_o the_o exercise_n of_o this_o power_n and_o pronounce_v sentence_n against_o those_o that_o persist_v in_o their_o error_n in_o the_o copy_n of_o that_o sentence_n 280._o sentence_n act._n syn._n nat._n dordr_n sess_n 138._o p._n 280._o there_o be_v divers_a act_n of_o their_o power_n to_o be_v observe_v in_o the_o several_a expression_n &_o form_n of_o speech_n use_v therein_o as_o for_o example_n this_o synod_n of_o dort_n do_v serious_o instant_o and_o according_a to_o the_o authority_n which_o it_o have_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n over_o all_o the_o member_n of_o their_o church_n in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n require_v exhort_v admonish_v &_o enjoin_v all_o &_o every_o one_o of_o the_o pastor_n in_o the_o church_n of_o the_o unite_a province_n doctor_n rectour_n master_n in_o the_o university_n &_o school_n etc._n etc._n the_o synod_n after_o invocation_n of_o the_o holy_a name_n of_o god_n be_v in_o conscience_n well_o assure_v of_o their_o authority_n from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n follow_v the_o step_n of_o ancient_n &_o late_a synod_n etc._n etc._n 281._o etc._n p._n 281._o do_v interdict_v the_o person_n cite_v unto_o this_o synod_n from_o all_o ecclesiastical_a charge_n and_o depose_v they_o from_o their_o office_n and_o also_o judge_v they_o unworthy_a of_o academical_a function_n until_o by_o earnest_a repentance_n etc._n etc._n for_o the_o rest_n who_o cognition_n be_v not_o come_v to_o this_o nationall_n synod_n it_o commit_v unto_o provincial_n synod_n class_n &_o presbytery_n according_a to_o the_o order_n receive_v that_o with_o all_o care_n they_o procure_v etc._n etc._n that_o they_o diligent_o take_v heed_n unto_o themselves_o that_o they_o admit_v not_o any_o man_n to_o the_o holy_a ministry_n which_o refuse_v to_o subscribe_v unto_o the_o doctrine_n declare_v in_o these_o synodical_a constitution_n and_o to_o teach_v the_o same_o that_o they_o also_o retain_v no_o man_n by_o who_o manifest_a dissension_n etc._n etc._n this_o judgement_n &_o sentence_n of_o the_o synod_n be_v afterward_o in_o most_o full_a &_o ample_a manner_n 282._o manner_n ibid._n p._n 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