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A96982 Fides divina: the ground of true faith asserted. Or, A useful and brief discourse, shewing the insufficiency of humane, and the necessity of divine evidence for divine or saving faith and Christian religion to be built upon. Being a transcript out of several authors extant. 1657 (1657) Wing W3723; Thomason E1598_3; ESTC R208870 56,696 110

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