A FURTHER DISCOVERY OF M. Stubbe IN A BRIEF REPLY TO HIS LAST PAMPHLET AGAINST JOS. GLANVILL LONDON Printed for H. Eversden and are to be sold at his Shop under the Crown Tavern in Smithfield MDCLXXI TO THE READER I Writ the following Letter in a present warmth upon reading of M. Stubbe's last Pamphlet but being called by my Occasions to Oxford and London I perceiv'd that he is now known and consequently that my Work is at an end For he hath proved to the satisfaction of all sober Men by his Talk and by his Writings that the harshest things I said of him were just and true and hath so managed Matters as if he had design'd to save me further labour to expose him Upon this Consideration I resolved once to have laid by these Papers judging that it could not he expected that any Man in his wâ—…ts should have more to do with such an Adversary especially since all he hath said or is like to say for ever is already answer'd in my former Account of his Spirit and Performances But some Worthy Men who yet have the Opinion of M. S. that â—…e deserves advised that since I had written I should publish and give him this other Blow that so while he was staggering under the former he might he laid flat by this I have now complied with the Advice but am inclined for the future to let the Impertinent talk alone For I think a Man may with as much Reputation write against the Wits of Bedlam as against this crackt Fop of Wâ—…rwick 'T is like I shall scarce take so much notice of him henceforth as to read what he scribles further I said indeed in my former Book and have mentioned the same Designs in this that I would examine his Quotations and give another Account of the Ignorance and Impertinency of his Reasonings But I find all sober Men are well satisfied already and when I sate down to consider Matters closely I saw that though all he pretends were granted to be true yet the Design and Substance of my first Book is saâ—… and all I should have to do would be to shew how he perverts the Sence of Authors and how foolishly and to no purpose he argues from them Of both these I have already given proof enough so that those that consider and read my Books without prejudice are convinced and for those that do not it would be to little purpose 〈◊〉 amuse my self with them For this Answer it will not take up much of his time that hatâ—… a mind to peruse it and those that have not the humour to read need not be concern'd I writ it by the intervals of three days which I mention not to boast my Expedition but because I would not have it thought I make dealing with this Prate-rost any part of my Buâ—…ness The Printing was deferr'd till now upon the account of my irresolution after I had written I have dealt somewhat plainly with him in some Places to try whether down-right Chastisement will bring him to himself if he be not most himself when he is most extravagant What is Railing when 't is unmerited is Honesty when ' 〈◊〉 deserv'd and needed and if in any Case in the World sharp Reproof is blameless it ought to be allowed in this It would be look'd upon as flatness or fear if I should dâ—…l softly with such an Adversary who like the other Enemy of Mankind goes up and down seeking whom he may devour I have therefore treated him with plainness of Reproof and if any thing bite in my Expressions 't is their Truth Those that know the Merits of M. Stubbe will justifie this way of proceeding with Him And those that judge without knowing the Cause may conclude what they think fit London Feb. 14. J. GLANVILL A LETTER TO M. STUBBE M. STUBBE I Have received two Letters from you since the coming forth of my Book but I gave them no Answer because there was nothing in them to be answer'd but the old Vertues Falshood Impudence and Impertinence And indeed I forbore for this Reason also because it is dangerous for a Man to trust himself with such a malicious Calumniator in private Since you make so little reckoning of traducing Publique Writings what can be expected in your Accounts of Transactions that are without Witness This day Jan. 12. I received your last Pamphlet in which I am concern'd How long it hath been abroad I know not it came to me by accident out of the Countrey But by some things I guess it hath been a pretty while extant I mention this that you may not brag according to your fashion that I have taken a great deal of time forsooth to answer you Good Man There needs no study but to consider whether 't is prudent to have any more to do with such an hair-brain'd Impertinent or not And I must confess I have been kept in some irresolution between Solomon's seeming contradictory Advices of not answering Prov. 26. 4. and answering ver 5. I determine now on the side where Charity to you lies whatever prejudice I may do my self by wrestling with one whom a Man cannot touch without defilement When I writ my last Book I foresaw what I must expect If those Eminent Persons that never descended to provoke you are branded with such infamous Scurrilities in your pestilent inveâ—…med Scribliâ—…gs What may I look for that have so little of their Worth to secure me and have done so much to exasperate your malice and to provoke your most direful displeasure If Dr. Wallis Dr. Spratt M. Henshaw M. Evelyn Dr. Merrett and now Dr. More with the ROYAL SOCIETY in Common and all that dare to differ from your Opinion are so often and vâ—…hemently stigmatized by you for gross 〈◊〉 Illiterate Fools Prattle boxes Liars Contemptible Adversaries Impostors Catch Potterels Fops Lories Cheats and poor Devils And Cart-loads more of such Diâ—…t â—…e heaped upon THEM what could I think would be my Portion after I had so stung and exposed you by my Reflections I assure you I look'd for the dregs of your Venom and all the Names and Epithets of â—…ility and Reproach that are yet behind in your Dunghil-fat Invention Accordingly you take care not to disappoint my Expectations By your foaming and tearing I perceive my Arrows stick in your Sides and I look for more raging yet All this is but moribundi animalâ—…li indicium For your private Letters I let them lie because they were private only I admonish you when you write again to endeavour to write Sence For both your Letters abound with palpable Non-sence and false English though I had taken notice and admonish'd you of several of those â—…lts in your Books But I doubt you think your self too Learned to stoop to Common Seâ—…ce and will despise this Advice My present Business is with your last Preface against mâ—… And pray M. Praefacer how many Praefaces do you intend You quote a Praeface
next words I am revil'd with opposing M. B. in his Holy Commonwealth and Key for Catholicks This is an untruth also 'T is not the opposing M. B. that is the thing objected but your scurrilities towards him are mentioned as another Instance of your Civility Look again into my Book p. 33. and if possible blush at this lying and palpable impudence But as if you could not speak a word without falsifying you add And to shew how barâ—…arous my demeanour was towards him after the Elogies of Reverend Learned and Ingenious he is said to be a Person worthy of great respect and our Eccholius adds that he can scarce forbear affirming concerning him as a Learned Doctor of our Church did That he was the only Man that spoke Sence in an Age of Non-sence M. Stubbe have you forsworn to speak Truth and will you give your self the trouble to prove further what â—…very one believes of you already Did I to shew the Barâ—…arousness of your Demeanour give M. B. the Elogies of Leaâ—…ned and Ingenious and add the other Passage you mention to that purpose Pray borrow a pair of double Spectacles from your Friend M. Cross and look again into my Book where I represent your Demeanour if you find those Elogies there or the other Passage I 'le be bound to believe you yea even when you Romance about Jamaica What you cite is in my PHILOSOPHIA PIA which was written before any thing against you and when you were not at all in my thoughts How is it then you have the impudence to publish that those Passages were to shew the barbarousness of your demeanour to M. B What an obnoxious Falsifier are you In the next Period you say I shall not recriminate upon M. Glanvil There is Disloyalty which extends beyond Writing It may be found in Praying Preaching and Communicating with Rebellious Schismaticks Do you mean to vent two or three gross Untruths more in this place or do you only write at your usual rate of impertinence If you mean that I am guilty of any Disloyalty in Preaching Praying and Communicating with Schisntaticks or ever were 't is a sâ—…andalous shameless Falshood as many hundreds can witness How disloyal my Preaching is you may see if you please in my Sermon on the â—…gs Murder printed two or three years ago and how quite contrary the truth is to what you would maliciously insinuate both in this and the other Particulars all Men that ever knew me since I Preach'd can attest And I never was in a Pulpit above four or five times till the Return of the King though I was Master of Arts some Years before So silly a Romancer are you or if you will not own it here you must confess that you meant nothing to the purpose by your Words In the following Sentence p. 37. You phancy you may have the advantage of the Excuse of Education and being bred in ill Times as well as I But my Friend There is diâ—…rence between a Negative Loyalty and Active Uiâ—…lany between only living and breathing in a bad Air and endeavouring to spread the infection of it further and to make it more Pestilential and Fatal I say no more You understand me Well! Thus I aggravated the malignity of your Temper and thus you have Answer'd But what 's become of all the other Instances of your ridiculous Boastings abominable Sâ—…urrilities Treasonable Invectives impious Endeavours to destroy Laws Religion and Learning You think 't is the best way to cover them with Silence and to insinuate to those that have not read my Book that when I talk of the malignity of your Temper I mean only That you writ a Defence of M. H. in some Grammatical Questions and opposed M. B. in his Holy Commonwealth and Key for Catholicks Cunning Shuâ—…er But when you mention these Instances why don't you add what mighty things you boasted of your self and what vile Names you call'd Dr. W. in your Defence of M. H And why don't you tell your Reader that when you opposed M. B. in his Holy Commonwealth and Key for Catholicks it was only in those things in which he opposed Sir H. V. and the most extravagant Phantasticks But this was not for your purpose and therefore Mum. You opposed M. B's Holy Commonwealth you say and some you phancy may think that you writ against the Errors of that recanted Book So that hereby you would inâ—…uate a good Opinion of your self and a bad one of me as making your writing against such a Discourse an Instance of the malignity of your Temper You have no other way to defend your self but by either downright Falshood or such Tricks of Legerdemain and Cousenage To go on with you You tell your Reader ib. That I give no Reparation to the Physicianâ—… for my injurious words Plus Ultra pa. 7. 8. Had I spoken any there about Physicians or did I think that any one Physician that doth not want Physick himself understands me to have as much as meant any thing to their prejudice I should give them what Reparation they can expect But all that you have objected about the Cut-Finger and the Injury done your Faculty I have proved to be meer impertinent Malice that longed to pick a Quarrel And I shall now give you a further Account of that whole Paragraph you have transcribed and raised such Clamours against If in Discoursing of it I can shew that the substance of those Periods and the most obnoxious Passage there is to be found largely and often insisted on by so Great Learned and Wise a Man as my LORD BACON I hope I may be excused for having spoken after so profound and celebrated a Philosopher that was no Enemy to Physicians or any sort of Learned Men. I repeat my Periods as you have cited them The Modern Experimenters think that the Philosophers of elder Times though their Wits were excellent yet the Way they took was not like to bring much advantage to Knowledge or any of the Uses of Humane Life being for the most part that of Notion and Dispute which still runs round in the Labyrinth of Talk but advanceth nothing Plus ult p. 7. I say the Experimenters think and undertake to represent the Sence of some of those Philosophers as I apprehended it My Thoughts were chiefly on my Lord Bacon Let us see now whether that Great Man hath not declared what I say the Experimenters think Antiquis Auâ—…horibus suus constat honos atque adeo omnibus quia non ingeniorum aut Facultatum inducitur comparatio sed viae Nov. Organ Aph. 32. Again Aph. 61. Nihil illis sc. Antiquis detrahitur quum de via omnino quaestiâ—… est Thus you see without detracting from the Wits of the Ancients he questions the WAY they took for the Advancement of Knowledge and that he thought it to be unfrâ—…ful appears further from almost his whole Book 〈◊〉 from the Praef. p. 2. De utilitate dieendum est
sapientiaâ—… istam quam à Graeâ—… poâ—…issimùm hausimus PUERITIAM quandam scientiae vidâ—…ri atque habere quod proprium est PUERORUM ut ad garriendum prompta ad generandum invalida immatura â—…it controverstâ—…rum ferax operum effâ—…ta est And so he goes on comparing that State oâ—… Learning to the Fable of Scylla Again Aph. 71. Scientiae quas habemâ—… ferè à Graecis fluxerunt erat autem scientia Graecorum professoria in disputationibus eâ—…usa quod genus inquisitioni veritatis adversissimum est and he proceeds to the same purpose Thus you see that that Famous Experimenter thought that the WAY of the Ancients was not like to bring much advantage to Knowledge being that of Notion and Dispute And that This runs round in a Labyrinth of Talk advancing nothing The same Great Author saith Si id minimè eventurum fuisset quod per Annos his mille jam fieri videmus Nempe ut scientiae suis hereant vestigiis in eodem fere statu maneant neque augmentum aliquod memorabile sumpserunt quin potius in primo Authore maximè floruâ—…rint 〈◊〉 declinaverint Aph. 74. And Aph. 94. he encourageth Philosophical Hope with this Consideration That the little progress that is made in Knowledge is not from the difficulty of the Thing so much as from the error of the Way Thus that great Philosopher justifies the former part of the recited Paragraph to a Tittle and you see I had reason when I writ that the Experimenters thought as I said But you quote me further And the unfruitfulness of those Methods of Science which in so many Centuries never â—…ought the World so much practical beneficial Knowledge â—… would help to cure a Cut Finger is a palpable Argument that there were Fundamental Mistakes and that the Way was not right My Lord Bacon makes this the greaâ—… sign of the Error of the Ancient WAYS Aph. 74. and in divers other places They produced DISPUTES but not WORKS Praef. p. 2. Aph. 71. And he gives the reason of their 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 enim 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 habemâ—…s 〈◊〉 alâ—…d sunt quâ—…m 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 inventarum non modi 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 deâ—…gnationes 〈◊〉 operum Aph. 8. How much less is this than what I said And upon the supposition of these things I might well add If the Moderns cannot shew more of the Works of their Philosophy in six Years than the Aristotâ—…lians can produce of theirs in thrice so many hundrâ—…d let thâ—…m â—…e loaded with all the contempt which is usually the reward of vaiâ—… and uâ—…profitable Projectors It is apparent and I have shewn that the WAY by Experiments hath produced Works But my Lord â—…acon and the reason of the thing say the WAY of â—…otion can produce none And now M. Caviller did you ever read my Lord â—…acon or did you not If not for all your boasts of great reading You are not acquainted with some of the Authors of greatest note And 't is a shame for you to write against the Experimental Philosophers and not to have read the Founder and one of the Chiefest Men of that Way If you have read him you know he said all this that I write the Experimenters thought and why did you pass it by in Him who was the Author and insisted so largely upon it and so maliciâ—…usly censure it in me that spoke after him in two or three tranâ—…ent Passages If these Periods in my Book were thâ—… ocâ—…asion of the Quarrel as you say why was not the Quarrel begun before Are the Physiciaâ—…s more injur'd by my writing those things than by my Lord Baeon's Is my saying what he thought a greater Affront to the Ancients than his declaring to the World the same himself No no M. Stubbe 't is evident from hence That this was not the reason of your writing but the occasion that you made You knew that your cavilling could not injure my Lord Bacon but thought it might expose me and other Friends of the Experimental Way to the displeasure of the ignorant envious and misinform'd 'T was not any concern for the Honour of the Ancients and your Faculty that ingaged You For then you would have endâ—…avoured their Vindication against my Lord Bacon if you had thought them so injured by those Sayings But 't was a malevolent envious humour against the Royal Society and its Friends was the cause of your impudent Assaults And 't is further apparent that what you pretend was not the reason of your beginning this War For no Man alive but you can perceive any the least Reflection upon the Physicians in those Periods I speak of the Ancient Methods of Philosophising in Physiology and with the excellent Verâ—…lam complain that they were notional and unfruitful So that I meant the particular Hypotheses and not the more general Principles and Rules of which you speak which were raised from Observation and Experiment These no doubt all the Ancient Physicians used and with happy success and 't is the very method of the Modern Experimental Men So that I could not be supposed to mean this I spake of the Natural Philosophers and their Methods which were made up of Notion and ministred to everlasting Disputes But you pretend to have demonstrated that even this way was much more advantageous than I allow it p. 38. I wish you would tell us where we might find the Demonstrations against those Complaints of my Lord Bacon You talk of the Doctrine of the E e emts being the occasion of Plaisters of Galen's regulating of Mixtures and Discoveries by those Principles p. 38. 40. and of Druggists explaining the Use of Medicaments according to this Doctrine Animad on Plus Ult. pag. 159. These forsooth you have demonstrated That is to say Physicians have chosen the Materials of their Compositions hot or dry cold or moist as they found them for their purpose according to this degree or another and have used these common Words of Elements Qualities and Degrees to express themselves by Therefore the Hypotheseis of naked Materia prima Substantial â—…orms and Real Qualities is not unprofitable Who can chuse but take such Arguments for Demonstrations Well! The Conclusion follows p. 39. From whence it is Demonstrated that since not only Cut Fingers but even all Diseases were cured by them viz. Galenical Physicians 't is unjust and intolerable for us to be upbraided with the sterility of that Philosophy Who ever denied that Diseases were cured by these Physicians using Reason Experience and General Rules But when do you prove that the Doctrine of First Matter and Forms did directly and of it self lead to any Discovery by which they were assisted in their Cures This I told you was my meaning in the Words which you force to the sence which best fits your malicious purpose And to what end then do you keep such a vapouring and impertinent adâ—… about the Peripateticks that have been Inventors and the Galenists to whom we have been obliged But
and Metaphysicks that are taught the Junior Students my thoughts of them I confess are diâ—…erent but yet I say they are not to be thrown off Letter conâ—… Arist. p. 2. Because the Statutes require Exercises in them and 〈◊〉 are dangerous On this you comment and intimate that I make them useless as to all other purposes which is false and injurious In my Letter concerning Arist. p. 2. I have acknowledged other Uses of those first Studies I here transcribe some of those Periods I should never have been so disingenuous and undutiful as to form a Project so inconvenient and hazardous in the event as to discourage young Students from a Method of Studies the Constitutions of the Place they live in hath enjoyn'd them which indeed considering the Circumstances wherein things stand 't is in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 they should be verst in since that Philosophy is â—…rought into the 〈◊〉 Theology of Europe which therefore could not be comprehended without an insight into those Hypoâ—…eseis Nor can a Man make a reasonable choice of his â—…rin-ciples 〈◊〉 he have some knowledge of all that offer themselves Candidaâ—… for his favour 〈◊〉 and a 〈◊〉 Mans Belief iâ—… not Châ—…nce 〈◊〉 Eleâ—…on besides which it enlargeth and eâ—…nobles the Minds of Men to furnish them with variety of Conception and takes them off from doating on the beloved Conclusions of their private and narrow Principles Answ. to White p. 18. You see M. Prater that I have declared my approbation of those prâ—…inary Studies as to other purposes besides compliance with Statutes and therefore your Malice is toothless I gave those Studies their due though I did not allow them useful either for the giving an account of Nature or promoting any Works for the Uses of Life Aud when I considered that these ought to be the Ends of the Real â—…hilosophy I diverted from the Notional about which my first thoughts had been imployed This is the sum and sence of these Passages you quote from me to render odious p. 44. You force from them several vile Consequences which you kindly bestow on me as if they justified those that discouraged Gentlemen from the Universities and intended to overthrow the ancient and necessary Education of this Island p. 47. Which things how well they follow I leave to any Man to consider that will judge impartially of what I have said Is there nothing think you to be done at Oxford or Cambridge as you quaery p. 46. if Peripatetick Philosophy be useless as to Discoveries and Inventions Doth it signifie nothing to capable and ingenious Youth to have their Minds exercised in a way of Reasoning though about things that will not signifie in the World of Business Is there nought else to be learnt in the Universities besides the niceties about 〈◊〉 and Forma and dependent Notions Will it do young Gentlemon any hurt to be instructed in Morality History Mathematicks and other such useful matters And are not these worth their going to Oxford and Cambridge though they should not receive much benefit for their Purposes from the Peripatetick Philosophy For shame M. Stubbe leave this course of malicious cavilling and consider whether by such Suggestions which speak as if there was nothing to be learnt in the Universities but a few Notions about Ens and Materia prima you do Them not more disparagement than you can prove any Virtuoso ever did or intended And let me ask you Whether you think in earnest that whoever judgeth the Peripatetick Principles Notional and useless in the sence I have declared ought ipso facto to be reputed an Enemy to the Universities and their Learning If so what think you of my Lord Bacon Either acquit the Virtuost with him or condemn him with the Virtuosi The things that follow under this Head are contemptible and are either answer'd already or deserve no answer I have sufficiently shewn in the beginning of my Praeface that the Account I gave of you out of your Writings was no Digression as you term it p. 48. but most necessary to be done as an Introduction to an Answer What becomes me to do more I have promised at my first convenient leisure You might methinks content your self with the morsel I have already given you but the rest shall follow My Sallies against M. Cross which you object to me ib. were very requisite For you are the Squire to that Knight of the Spâ—…acles You say 't is a Year and half since I began to collect your Books Perhaps so But I could not procure them all till after your Animadversions were extant I received that Book of yours against me in June as I take it and the Month following my Answer was in the Press though the Praeface and Post-script were written after It could not be finish'd before the end of the Term and so it slept all the long Vacation and the beginning of next Term it had some stops put to its finishing by some extraordinary Occasions of my Printer So that it was not the Work of so much time and labour as you pretend M. Tell-troth And when you say ib. That I omitted to Preach at Bath for many Weeks excusing my self by the pretext of writing against you I reply that I never omitted Preaching twice a week when I was at home besides very frequent occasional Sermons ever since I was a Publick Minister except when I have been sick or lent my Pulpit to a Friend I never excused my self from preaching by my writing or any other Business whatsoever Nor did I ever decline it in 〈◊〉 own Parishes when any accidental Occasion required my Labours in that kind 'T is true I did not preach at Bath during the time of my writing against you but 't was because Bath was not then the Place of my residence but my other Pariâ—… and I divide my time between them 〈◊〉 was then in my Course at Froome but never omitted preaching as many hundreds can witness So that what you say here is either a down-right falshood or a silly impertinent Equivocation What hard fortune have I to be sorced to deal with an Adversary whose whole strength is in cavilling and lying But it follows that after all I understood not the State of the Question ib. I understood Impertinent that the first Qâ—…estion between M. Cross and me was Whether the Moderns had not grâ—…atly advanced Knowledge since the days of Aristotle I gave accounts in my Plus Ultra of Modern Improvemâ—…nts In a Câ—…llection of remarkable Instances You fall foul upon that Book but say nothing to the Question only you carp at Errors of the Press and voluminously oppose some accidental Passages catching at a word here and another there and fight against the Shadows of your own Imagination the malicious Interpretations which you make but my 〈◊〉 will not afford so that in the whole menage you have prov'd your self a prâ—…tling Iâ—…pertinent This I have shewn by Instances in my Praefatory Answer And whatever was
the Question between M. Cross and my self of that I have given Accounts elsewhere The Question between You and I is Whether you are not Impertinent in all you have said against Plus Ultra This I affirm and have begâ—… the Proof For the particular things you mention I engaged to give in my Accounts of them in due time But this I must tell you Let them be determined which way they will The first and main Question about Modern Improvements will not be concern'd in the Decision For if Antiquity was not so shy of and altogether unacquainted with Anatomy If the Graecians and Followers of Aristotle did know Chymistry If the Ancient Aâ—…otelian Philosophy hath advanced some Practical Knowledge If the Inventions attributed to the Virtuosi belong not to them If the Moderns cannot shew â—…ore Fruits of their Philosophy in a short time than the Aristotelians of theirs in so many hundred years which you say are the Questions p. 48 49. I say If these fall as you would have them yet it follows not that Anatomy and Chymistry have not been much improved in latter Ages It follows not that the Aristotelian Philosophy is as operative and useful as the Experimental It follows not that the Virtuosi have been no Inventors nor Improvers In fine it follows not that Knowledge is not highly advanced beyond its Ancient Stature and so consequently upon the whole it follows not that M. Stubbe is not a Cavilling Impertinent or that I am bound to follow him in all his Wild-Goose Chases So that Gentle Sir I have not mistaken in my beginning with you but stand upon my old Ground that That useful Knowledge is much advanc'd in the Instances I have produced and by the Persons I have mentioned and that we may probably expect greater â—…mprovements of it from the Royal Society and other Experimental Philosophers Except you disprove me in these Particulars my Main Cause is safe and you will shew your self but a Caviller though you write as long as your Head is hot You say All the Learning I flourish with is but the Remains of a treacherous Memory which some Years ago studied something p. 49. Though my Memory M. Stubbe be not so good as yours yet I am contented since I have not so much need of a good Memory as you And I had much rather have my Learning in my Judgment than in my Memory Flourishing with Quotations where they are not necessary I always looked upon as a piece of Pedantry and vain Ostentation But you fall severely on two Passages in my new Book The first is my making FUST or GOTHENBERG to have found out Printing whereas you say I might have learn'd out of Hadrianus Junius that it was found out by another at Harlem p. 49. But I am inform'd by Polydore Virgil That the Author was Jo. Gâ—…tenberg of Mentz to whom Dr. Hackwell adds the Authorities of Palmerius Melchior Guilandrinus Chasaneus Veigniâ—…r Bibliander Arnoldus and Munster But Peter Ramus and others ascribe it to JoFust of Mentz also And why might not I mention these as the Authors of Printing after such Authorities And why must I be bound to believe Hadrianus Junius concerning the Man of Harlem before those other Famous Writers This is one of your cavilling Tricks when I affirm any thing though fâ—…om never so good Authors if you can find any one to speak otherwise His is presently made the infallible Authority and I am upbraided with Illiterateness and want of Reading By the same course I could prove you as illiterate an 〈◊〉 as ever spoild Paper The second Passage from whence I am concluded very illiterate is my mentioning of Flavius Goia as the Discoverer of the Compass This is an Error of the Press It should have been Flavius or Goia I am confident it was so in my Copy For I was sensible of the mistake committed about it elsewhere And you confess some ascribe it to one and some to the other Now you tell your Reader p. 50. that you have added 〈◊〉 to satisfie all men that I am not at all acquainted with Books Whether I am so or no I will not dispute but whether this caâ—… be inferr'd from the Premises let the Reader judge Illiterateness and unacquaintance with Books are the Imputations of course against all that you call the Virtuosi You design no doubt by the Chargâ—… to insinuate that You are the only Man of Reading and that no Man may pretend to Learning but your self We must always premisâ—… when we speak before such wise men â—…s you Aâ—… a Fool may say This you say is for the benefit of ordinary Conversation and 't would be equally beneficial for you to premise when you quote Authors Aâ—… I learn'd from such an Index And when you Reason Aâ—… a Madman may discourse But the great Exploit is behind and you thus express your self p. 51. That I may give the World an Instance of that Impudence with which M. Glanvil demeans himself in this Effort of a desperate Ignorance I shall set down what he replies to me about the Deceitfulness of Telescopes You gave Instances just now about the Authors of Printing and the Compass to satisfie all men of my unacquaintance with Books And now you intend to give a great one of my Ignorance and Impudence But see to it that iâ—… hold good or else the Instance will be an undeniable one of your own You said then as you repeat here That if M. Cross was in an Error about the deceitfulness of Telescopes you were sure M. Boyle 〈◊〉 in the same The Error that I object to M. Cross as to this matter which you attempt to vindicate is set down p. 65. of my Râ—…us Ultra and it was That Dioptrick Glasser were all falâ—… and deceitful presenting us with Objects that were not Now if it can be inferr'd from M. Boyle's Discourse that He affâ—…rmed All Telescopes to be thus deceitful you have reason for saying he was in the same Error with M. Cross If this cannot be proved you must seek another Instance to shew my Ignorance and Impudence and to justifie your own Modesty and Knowledge Let us briefly examine the matter then Your reason of M. Boyle's being in M. Cross's Error is in short this He sought the Maculae and Faculae Solares but could not discover them in many months though some other Astronomers that â—…it before him did prâ—…nd to see them every day and yet he wanâ—…ed not excellent Telescopes nor omitted any requisite Circumstance This is the sum of what you repeat p. 52. Hence you would argue if you intend sence That All Telescopes are deceitful otherwise you cannot prove by it that M. B. was in M. Cross's Error To this I reply p. 176 177. of my Pref. Answ. to this purpose M. Boyle saith nothing in the Place quoted by you that tends to the proving the deceitfulness of Telescopes or that he believes them Fallacious I spoke indefinitely and meant of