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A15697	The fore-runner of Bels dovvnefall wherin, is breifely answered his braggnig [sic] offer of disputation, and insolent late challenge: the particularties [sic] of the confutation of his bookes, shortly by goddes grace to be published, are mentioned: with à breife answere, to his crakinge and calumnious confutinge of papistes by papistes them selues: and lastly à taste. Giuen of his rare pretended sinceritye, with som few examples.	Woodward, Philip, ca. 1557-1610.; Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610, attributed name.	1605 (1605)	STC 25972.5; ESTC S114156	24,220	62

same doctrine that S. Peter had done before them and yet in an other place mainteineth that Pope Siricius was seduced by Sathan published wicked doctrine and taught the flat doctrine of the diuells and Pope Sozimus falsified the decrees of the Nicen councel so to mainteine the vsurped primacie of the church of Rome seing both these Popes liued in S. Augustins time To deliuer him selfe from this disgracious shakell which much hindereth his goinge he fetcheth many crosse capers tumbleth like a pig in a poke but he is so hampered that the more he strugleth the more fast is he caught the holes are so straight and him selfe so big that there is is no creepinge out well may he thruste his head forth as his brother Eaton the minister by Hounslowe did vpon the pillerie in London for teachinge his daughter a wrong lesson but no possibility of escapinge appeereth Many soueraigne solucions forsooth and diuers plaisters of I-sayes are applied to cure the wounde but all in vaine for it festereth more and more without all hope of amendment Bad tinkers stop one heale ad make an other Bell is so cuninge a worke man that he hath both left the olde leakinge stil and made diuers new I touch this point now breiflie better oportunitie hereafter will be offered further to examin this matter when god willinge all his bucklers of defence shall be beaten vpon his owne face At this present I will giue the reader a short viewe of the great dexteritie he hath in answeringe and the wonderfull facilitie in lyinge and the great pleasure he seemeth to take in that occupation insistinge so much vpon that and amplifienge it at lardg as if he had either conscience in his soule or blood in his cheekes he would neuer for shame once haue mentioned I will cite all his wordes at full that no iust cause of complaint be giuen In his third chapter the title wherof is Of the notorious lies of E. O. thus he declaimeth Pope Siricius as Thomas Bell affirmeth was seduced by Sathan published wicked doctrine and Precisians came daylie to a winter morning lecture where after other preparatiue discourses when the mot was giuen by the preacher and the text of Multiplicamini proclaimed candles were put out and that they frequented this exercise fare more dilligently then they obserued the Lenten fast and brought nothinge to iustifie my relation how would he take me vp for halting Yea I am verily perswaded that albeit I should say that such a thinge hapned in a principall towne in Barkshire addinge also that the minister vpon the breakinge forth of the matter fearinge persecution for the testimonie of a good conscience fled a way towardes Oxford and venturinge with his horse to take the water because he had haste in his way and could not expect a boate was there drowned that he would not make any great scruple notwithstandinge these particularities to giue me the lie Let him then with far more reason quietly disgest it him selfe His odious tearmes of blinded and besotted vnsauorie traditions and superstitious illusions must be pardoned Some haue such a defect of nature that they can not speake vnles thy stammer and Sir Thomas such an imperfection of grace that except he rayle and lie he can write nothinge S. Hierom calleth the Lenton fast a tradition of the Apostles though it pleaseth him to call it an vnsauorie tradition so litle doth it like him and to say truth the old tradition commandinge so longe abstinence from fleashe can not but be to the ministers mouth sower and vnsauorie and the new Geneua fashion that geueth leaue by the libertie of the gospell to eate fleash at all times is far more sauorie tothsome and pleasant VI. THus much out of the Downe fall now for a packinge blowe one bout more and so an end In this booke of his which he published the last yeare 1603 and coupled it together with his Goulden ballance the good man seemeth to be much netled and the waters of his patience so troubled and shaken that they be not yet queit and cleere for a certaine Catholike author in a booke intituled A Detection c. written against Master Sutcliff and Master taught the flat doctrine of the diuel These are the expresse wordes of E. O. whom as it seemeth the diuel did euen then posesse when he vitered them For not one of these wordes TAVGT THE FLAT DOCTRINE OF THE DIVEL can be found in my Suruey in the place which E. O. hath quoted but these wordes which of purpose he did omitt prohibited mariage as an vnlawful thinge This therefor is a notorius and a most malicious lie It is a lye in grame and that a knocker to vse his owne wordes else where adorned with the name of the diuell to giue the more grace vnto it And that worthelie because the diuel is the Architect and thiefe worckman in that art and occupation Here is a greueous complaint put vp against E. O. for that he hath slaundred the minister and vttered a notorious and moste malicious lie a lie in graine and a knocker adorned with the name of the diuell c. and the lye consisteth in this point because E. O. chardgeth Bell as though he should say that Siricius taught the flatt doctrine of the diuele none of which wordes as he affirmeth can be found in his Surueye in the place which E. O. hath quoted and this inturie he reputeth for a fault of no smale qualitie when he writeth that the deuile as it seemeth did euen then posesse him when he vttered them A greuous crime doutles that in his seeminge opinion deserued so suddaine and seuere a punishment or els he presumeth much vpon the diueles friendship when he is readie to conceiue that for a trifelinge iniurie offered to his ministership he tooke the matter so hotely as to prosecute it in such terrible reuenging maner But now nothwithstandinge all this bitter and fearfull exclamation what if these wordes be found in his Surueye and in that verie place which E. O. hath noted vpon whom them doth the notorious and malicious lye fall whose coate is died and marked with the lye in graine whose credit doth the knockinge lye batter and beate and whose tenement moste like to giue the diuele intertainment That the said Siricius was seduced by Sathan and published wicked doctrine he denieth not why I beseech him is there any such great difference betwixt these wordes which he graunteth and those other which he doth not graunt that he should mount vp into such extrauagant tearmes let them be indifferently pondered and they expresse the verie same meaninge● for is it not trulie verified of him that he doth teach the flatt doctrine of the diuele of whom it is confessed that he was seduced by Sathan and published wicked doctrine Put them into an equall ballance and a dram of difference in sence and true construction wil not be found for Bell is no

sinceritie to conuince him of many coseninge trickes sundrie notable lies and diuers grosse corruptions Let him therefore proue his frendes and procure that it may be obtained vvith those equall cōdicions vvhich vvere graunted to the Protestants in the presence of the French kinge And if any intreaty vvil farther so honest a suite vvhich to him if his harte and pen agree together can not but be grateful and imbraced vvith all the povvers of his soule then I request him of all curtesie and for that comon good vvhich may redound to many earnestly desire him that he vvil straine his creditt if it be not at the highest and in danger of breaking that vve may meete in the listes and make experience quid possit vterque vvhat either of vs offensiuely and defensiuely can performe If he stande vpon his punctoes and disdaigne all humble kinde of proceedinge as nothing fittinge his braue braggarie nor his mountinge and ouerlookinge humor thinkinge it smale reputation to combatt with abase peticioner then to keepe proportion to answere his vaine and also not to giue one inche of ground in the quarrel of gods truth for who is this vncircumcised Philistian that hath dared to rayle vpon the armye of the liuinge god I challenge this challenginge cowarde dare and redare this daringe dastard that he wilfor the honor of his cause the creditt of his learninge and defence of his braginge and insolent bookes labour effectually that we may in manner aforesaid grapple together Yf he refuse this condicion so reasonable so iuste so indifferent no remedy but I muste come vpon him with à lawe case of nouerint vniuersi Be it knowen to all men that the date of his learninge is out his great and flowinge courage daunted and drawen drie proclaime him cōtemptible and banckrout hauinge broken with his owne dependants and creditors and expose him for a iestinge stocke to all Christian people from generation to generation world without end Amen That Bels bookes haue longe since receiued their answere with the particuler contents of the same and though vpon iust occasion it hath hitherto bin suppressed yet shortly by gods grace to be set forth CHAP. III. VVHeras Bel hath passed hitherto vncontrolled and vvithout ansvvere partly for that by some of iudgmēt not any vvas thought necessary of such course stuffe be they made partly for other iuste reasons hereafter more at lardge to be handled the minister maketh his comoditie thereof and vvould haue the vvorlde to thinke that not lack of good vvil but vvant of skill hath made Catholikes so longe silent and all this to alienate mens mindes from the faith of their forefathers as a religion that cannot stande in feilde againste him and for that cause hath bin vtterly left destitue of all defence And albeit he had intelligence by a Catholike booke as him self confesseth sett out in then'de of the yeare 1602 that the confutation of his vvorkes vvas vndertaken and to be published if it should be thought conuenient and one parricular point in the same touched vvhich did not alitle vvringe his mastership on the vvalles though he set agood face on the matter and for the ease of his stomake entertained the said booke vvith the eloquent flovvers of Shameles pamphlet Sourrilous libel and a rude lyinge hotch-pot of omnigitherum reuelleth also at the author him self tearminge him in the lenity of his spiritt Swaggeringe diuine Shameles calumniator sowle-mouthed swaggeringe diuine impudent lyer and brasen face yet by no meanes vvill he beleeue that there vvas euer any such thinge intended indeede Iust as the false Prophetts persvvaded the Ievvs that the kinge of Babilon vvould not come vpon them nor their countrye and therfor to haue it giuen out that there is any such confutation he reputeth it but for adeuise to dazell as he saieth the eies of the simple readers and of others that shal heare thereof that they may stil be scduced with popish legierdemaine from time to time and not behould the sun shininge at noonetide who all in the end must receiue the iust rewarde of their follie euen the slapp of a fox tayle Thus the minister is pleasant recreateth him self and his readers with his merry conceites but if in conclusion the confutation doe come forth as by gods grace it shall with that conuenient speed which the time and other occurrents will permitt is he not then like those that leremie speaketh of proued a false Prophett and doe not they that beleeue him as I thinke there be very few let him prattle what he liste shew them selues very sillie sheepe to follow such a bel-weather and that they must in the end receiue the iust rewarde of their folly euen the blessinge of an Asse tayle Agayne in the very same place dispairinge euer to see the effect of any such attempt he lamenteth his distressed case in this dolefll manner No no my dearest they meane nothinge lesse They wil neuer while I liue publish any such confutation their owne consciences condemne them they knowe they are not able to performe it I would most gladly I protest before god and the worlde once see any such confutation duringe my life Surelie he is much to blame to discomfort him self without all cause He may very wel liue to see it and yet die sooner much then he would Let him not be dismayed for I can assure him of myne owne knowledge that our consciences doe not condemne vs neither doe wee knowe that we are not able to performe as great a matter as that To giue the more creditt to my wordes and somwhat to reuiue his dead spiritts I will here giue him a note of the nomber of the bookes and their particular contents They be in all Fiue written againste his motiues and Surueye fiue yeares agoe The first booke contayneth many of his notable vntruthes corruptions and falsifications The second presenteth a gallant and desperate fraye betwixt the reformed minister of Bascall and Thomas Bel preacher of the worde all the clubbes in London being not able to part them For such a grace he hath in writinge that he falleth into grosse contradictions and what he saieth in one place not feldome he vnsaieth in another The third handleth a couple more of extra ordinary and choice contradictions worthie for their dignitie to haue a speciall place by them selues In the first which hath diuers proofes he condemneth him self and his owne congregation the defence whereof he hath vndertaken for the maintayners of false hereticall and blasphemous doctrine A pointe worthie to be considered of by his bretheren for he giueth them moste iuste cause to suspect him of playinge bootye and that his hart is still an harbourer of Poperie or at leaste not replenished with the liuely liquour of the new gospell And though he laboureth to purge him self of that suspition and sweareth deuoutly yet may they come vpon him as those caterpillers did vpon S. Peter

Preist by vertu of the Popes dispensation may lawfully and effectualy minister their Sacrament of Confirmation We vvillingly graunt it as being the moste receiued and common opinion vvhat of all this But this opinion saith he is stoutly impugned by other great papistes to witt Bonauentura Alphonsus Durandus Scotus Maior c. Be it so what then such dissention as this is without any violation of faith at all O saith he what gteater and more important dissention can be then this for Confirmation is a Sacrament with the Papists If he knewe not and be content to learne I wil teach him A far greater dissention it were euen in this verie point of Confirmation if some hould it to be à Sacrament and others did denie it the disagreemēt was of the extraordinary minister of the Sacrament which is no such important matter as he would inforce of the Sacrament it self they made no question doe not we knowe that the Protestants them selues allowe and prescribe the signe of the crosse in Baptisme and that the Puritanes detest it that they in necessitie permitt lay people to baptise and these thinke it such a prophanation of that sacred misterie that they had rather suffer infants to die without baptisme so great a zeale they haue to pack them to hell warde Should I come vpon him for this varitie and crie out after this manner what greater and more important dissention can be then this for Baptisme is a Sacrament with them would he not condemne me for a notable wrangler seinge they contend not whether Baptisme be a Sacrament or no but obout other questions to vvitt of a certaine ceremonie and the extraordinary minister which they make no great account of Let him then queitly take him self by the sleeue and see whether the measure will not serue and much better to make for his ministershipp a liuery of the same cloath Were the dissentions in the Protestants congregation of no more fundamentall points then ours bee it should not daily be shaken with such terrible earthquakes and to the great disgrace of a new timbered gospell for lack of good worke manshipp be in daunger of fallinge but alas they are continually brawling like beggars and lie lugginge together by the eares about the verie sinnowes and soule of their religion in endles quarrells and contentions Luther and Zwinglins are proclaimed by M. Iewell that Patriarchal challenger for moste excellent men sent of god to giue light to the world and yet did Luther defend till death the true reall and substātiall presence of Christes bodie in the Sacrament giueinge his black blessinge to all those that taught otherwise Zwinglius for all that hauinge the spiritt no lesse then Luther vtterly denied the reall presence contemninge his curse and disdayninge to followe the light of his lanterne such svveete agreement there vvas betvvixt these tvvo moste excellent men sent of god Can Bell deny this to be true or that this point of religion is materiall as vpon vvhich dependeth saluation or damnation I knovve him to be a braue minded man and one that dare venture as far for the credit of the gospell as an other Yet I suppose he vvill neuer stand vpon any tearmes but queitly admitt both the one and the other for knovven truthes and then must I be so boulde as to demaunde hovv he can defend one of these heauenly prophetes from being an heretike and damnable doctor and so vvith the candle of false doctrine to haue shevven his follovvers the vvay to euerlastinge darknes The minister is quick sighted to behould a mote in our eie but he cannot see a beame in his ovvne May vve not iustly say to him vvith our Sauiour Hipocrite cast out first the beame out of thine owne eie and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote of thy brothers eie To leaue Germanie and speake of the professors of our owne contrie Doe not the Protestants thinke the dignitie superiority of Bishopps and Archbishopps agreable to gods vvord and yet doe the Puritanes in the name of the lorde by their champion Martin Mar-prelat and his mutinous make bates that band vnder his colors crie out as Thomas Rogers saith and it is no councell to any that their callinge is vnlawfull that they be ministers of Antechrist worse then friars and monkes deuiles bishoppes and diuelles incarnate netheir as I suppose will he say that this is a triflinge question for feare of scandalizinge litle ones Aerius of vvhom vve spake before vvas condemned of heresie for equallinge Preistes vvith Bishopps Could Bell haue the luck to finger an Ouerseer ship to vse his ovvne phrase that he may the better knovve my meaninge then vvere the matter cock sure and a flatt heresie indeede to mainteine any such assertion mary till then great vvisdome to proceede vvith deliberation to runne vvith the hare hould vvith the hounde flatter on the one side and faune on the other Can he not reade ridles Dauns est non Oedipus By the next post he shall knowe more of my meaninge in the meane time let him feede in his hart vpon this by faith and be thankfull Bel pretendeth great sinceritye like à true Apostle and yet like à false Apostata vseth it not with some few exsamples of his malitious and corrupt manner of proceedinge CHAP. V. VVHere deceipt is intēded there the Protestacion of sincerity vpright dealinge and a tender conscience as a necessary preparation must be pretended for this is the goulden baite to angle ignorant soules and the cōmon cloake of coseninge companions Iuglers tuck vp their sleeues open their handes and make shew of the plainest dealinge in the worlde False Prophetts put on sheepes cloathinge and the deuill transformeth him self into an Angell of light Iesabell proclaimed afast when she sought the blood of innocent Naboth and the Aposte assureth vs that certaine false teachers and belly gods did by Sweete speeches and benedictions seduce the hartes of innocents Bell as though he were made of no other elements then sincere dealinge and had not so much as the skill to foist in a lie or to mangle and mayme a sentence speaketh often of conscience and honest proceedinge and of his owne free motion and liberality entereth into a bande of subscribinge and forfaiture of his creditt if he can be conuinced of the conrrarie In the epistle of his Downefall To all englishe Iesuites seminary preistes c. thus he writeth In my firste booke published in the yeare 1593. I premised to yeelde if you could conuince me either to haue alleadged any writer corruptly or to haue quoted any place guylefullie or to haue charged any author falesly Yea and in the same place he addeth thath he will neuer require creditt at the readers hand ether in that booke or any other to be published hereafter if any such thinge can be proued against him Vpon this foundation dependeth all the reputation of his workes and