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B06798 A dialogue between R---- and F----, concerning a discourse entitul'd, The view of an ecclesiastick in his socks and buskins: or, a just reprimand given to Mr. Alsop. Wherein is discover'd, an unheard-of discord between the author and himself. / By a friend to the cause of Mr. Lobb, the worth of Mr. Williams, and the persons of both. Young, Samuel, fl. 1684-1700. 1698 (1698) Wing Y78A; ESTC R186944 15,451 46

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When Peter saw three thousand prickt to the heart and they askt him and the rest of the Apostles men and brethren what shall we do he said unto them Repent Some would think the Answer wa● more legal than the Question What! bi●● nose prickt to the heart repent Yes and things nough They ask us How will we bid me● come to Christ I answer in his way and after his manner Mar. 28. Come unto me you tha● labour and are heavy laden 55 Isa 1 Ho every one that thirsteth come ye to the waters R●●pent the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand wa● the preaching of Christ his Forerunner and his Followers Repentance and Faith is the Scripture-method and order 20 Acts 21. If Faith be sometimes mentioned without Repentance it supposeth it as when Repentance is mentioned without Faith it intends it F. Alas R. you talk as if you were preaching to the Author of Justification on Satisfaction The Interest of Reason in matters of Religion c when I have done with those things and am the Author of a Book wherein K. W. is charg●● 〈◊〉 with having Testimonials by him at Kensington of his being reconcil'd to the Church of Rome and the late Book against Mr. Alsop now discoursed of As for Religion I trouble not my self about it but to serve a Turn I am of Glanvil's mind in the Vanity of Dogmatizing 〈◊〉 or what his Friend says before There is no demonstration But only thine which shews there 's none You know the two Reynolds and D. Allebasters ingenious Verses Concurrere pares cecidere pares c. I will never trouble my Head or Heart abouts was did Mr. K. of T. College in Cambridge 〈…〉 ●●leful Verses I have heard coming from 〈…〉 cut his own Throat From From Heaven as a Scourge of Pride All Decisiion is deny'd c. The burden of the whole was Weep Eyes sigh Soul and Body pine Was ever Sorrow like to mine R. All that can be prov'd from hence is that we should lie humbly at the Feet of God for Direction carry it charitably towards our Brethren for tolerable Errors and search our heart whether there be not some beloved Lust which may make that Holy Spirit to withdraw its Irradiations or Consolations But on this to sit down with the Drunkard to be partaker with 01 the Adulterer to rap out an Oath sometimes to comport with the company will be Bitterness in the latter end You know Friend F. that I do many thousands of times reprove and counsel you when no one is present but you and I at Bed at Board in Closet at home and abroad I many thousands of times ring a woful Pealin your Ears you will not hear but drown all Convictions in your Cups with a wicked Generation And whereas you so much censure Mr Alsop for being so jocular condemn only the Ex●ess I remember I have heard what Mr. Capel s●ud to one that reproved him for Jests Repartees for 2 or 3 hours together Sir this is my Physick for the Distempers I carry about me I grant the Remedy may be and sometimes is worse than the Disease when unseasonable for time and excessive for use but to damn men for those things and say they ●●●e no Grace is a sowre humour much worse than Levity Good Mr. Showers lately in a well studied Sermon at Salters-hall greatly bewail'd our late Divisions as hardning the prophane sadning the righteous putting back the well inclin'd spoiling even civil conversation c. Sir I desire you desire your Friends too not to lie out of sight when you write Books let the Accused know one way or other who the Accusers are Mr. Lobb Mr. Williams Mr. Alsop are known to be the Authors of their Books but as for the little sneaking Vnion Historian and the Socks and Buskinman some can but conjecture others not that Postscript IF any think my appearing once again after an intended Silence seems contrary to my once intention let them remember what made Atys dumb all his days so to cry out I declare my self to be of Mr. Lobb's Opinion in our Controversies who writes like a Man like a Scholar like a Gentleman like a Christian and like a Divine Yet as zealous an Anti-Baxterian as I am I would not be such a mad one as to write or speak at this rate as doth our Author And of all men I have least reason to appear for Mr. Alsop for when I was Bartholomew last was twelvemonth silenc d by the Baxterians and continue ever since under Suspension that I must not come into their Pulpit unless I recall my Vindi●iae which will be ad Graecas Calendas Mr. Alsop at that time if Fame be true when I had preacht a Morning Lecture and that in Mr. G 's M●eting said That if ever I preacht there again he would never come among them more My Interest would lead me one way my Conscience doth another Honesty will reward itself When I saw the foul-dealing of many Anti-Baxterians against Mr. Williams who would n●ver tell us to this day how far they owned Mr. Williams's Gospel Truth stated and vindicated against Dr. Crisp but make a noise against it like little Crispians it gave me the curiosity to enquire whether that Leaven was not gotten amongst some of those Defamers I am in those circumstances in the World that I value not what either Antinomians or Neonomians can do between whom the old Protestant Orthodox Doctrin of Justification by Faith only is almost lost Mr. Baxter ran away with the word Only and Dr. Crisp with the word Faith so that between them both nothing is left I desire the Reader to take notice that I make my self no Judge in the Controversie of late on foot who were guilty of the breach of the Vnion perhaps both Parties one for giving the occasion t'other for taking it Whatever noise there is about me I have this to glory in That I plead for no Novel Doctrin but the old Doctrin wherein the old Prelates and Puritans were agreed Justification by Faith only against Innovators on either hand If it be therefore askt How I come ●o plead for Mr. Alsop I meddle not with his Opinions but am troubled as no doubt many of our own are to see such a Critick in Philology such a Champion in Philosophy and such an Oracle in Divinity ridicul'd and defam'd beyond all measure I acknowledge this Abuse of him Mr. Williams and other 〈…〉 every way more civil and gen●●●● 〈…〉 ●●●der provok'd me to appear I 〈…〉 there are great Truths in the now c●●● 〈…〉 many and good Arguments laid do●● 〈…〉 ●●●ity in Ministers c. far be it from me 〈◊〉 contra●●●t what is sound and seasonable Ad Reverendos perquàm eruditos D●●●●mum Lobb Dom. Alsop nec non Do●● Williams Theologum sapientissimum NON vos latet non eundum est igitur mihi infici●s 〈◊〉 Davus non Ocdipus suppl● a●e tamen au● 〈…〉 quod inter vos Harmonia sit continuata Si dicitier S●● Minervam ingenium modeste fateor vobis nupsit no●c mihi 〈◊〉 quibusdam nullus dubito quin ●●t●edozus ego sed ign●●●● q●●bus supra modum tam●n aliq●a●do elatus iracund●● 〈◊〉 aliis succenseo utinam mihi ●●piw In measententia error 〈◊〉 ●●●n●● vis argumenti loco fur●rem Ponere Victoriae ergo 〈◊〉 ●●●●●i Non Liber aeque non acuta Sic geminant Corybante aera Tristes ut irae Hor. Haec olent superbiam ut dicit Jacobus unde Contentiones Qui s●●i volunt ign●s massiles Sic obtinuit usus nuperrime No fugiat ore memoriam senrentia eorum qui audterunt Ref●r mantes R●f●rmati ●obtra omn●s Novatores Aphoristam Antinomistam quod repetatur antiqua dulcis melodia 〈◊〉 omnia dexterrime Crispianorum d●gmata prob do●●●● pessima reperi non ibv●ni Nemo abhorret aqu● ac ego Om●●● in haec contend●ntes me dempto docti periti Si de a●● quid erravi pa●●ociam vellem Si non Si si●●ametis alii al●os qu●madmodum Deus ego Sublimi feriam sydera vertice Sic genibus flexis orat Deum sic quasi Genibus flexis o●● vo● vestrum Obsequentissimus Vernacule Sam. Reconcileab●●
Passion is up Reason is down Speak soft speak soft Treason will out Is it become an Offence to preach against King James what man and the Jesuites too Hath ●e done as you preach'd against him and for him too Did he blow the Trumpet to raise the Nation for King William and against King James and after so happy a Change without any just Cause against King William and for King James Did you never triumph at the death of the Martyr and repeat such Verses as those I have not the Copy and therefore may content my self with the sense on the Thirtieth of January See the Sot to Church reels out Who now is plaguily devout It is the Day in which he fell Martyr to the Cause of Hell It is our Saint's Canonization Justly crown'd with Decollation To us of late in wrath were given Two cursed Tyrants and a Stallion Fill the Glass with sparkling Red Look 't was thus the Tyrant bled Thus our Fathers let us see Kings are Flesh and Blood as we Now may our banish'd Tarquins Fate Prove as just but not so great May blest Lewis for old Scores Turn him p●orly out of doors A cursed shameful Death attend him May a friendly Halter end him c. Or did you never please your self with hearing or reciting the Epitaph made by a Boy on Ned Hyde Here lies Ned Hyde Because he dy'd But I had rather It had been his Father Had it been his Sister No one would have mist her Well for the three Nations Had it been all the Relations c. How often have you roar'd over strong Liquors the known Verses on the Birth of the pretended Prince of Wales and the day of Thanksgiving Two Toms and a Nat In Council sat To rigg out a Thanksgiving And to make a Prayer For a thing in the Air That 's neither dead nor living The Dame in the East As 't is exprest In her last blest Epistle Vnto our Lady Bequeath'd a Baby With Coral Bells and Whistle For this intent To her she sent Her Diamond-Rings and Bodkin To give her leave For to conceive Pray was not this an odd thing Here 's a Cup of Ale To the Prince of Wale Tho' some are of opinion When all is out A double Clout May cover his whole Dominion Caesar to keep the Laws did plight his troth He made his Will his Law to save his Oath Did not you talk every where of the Suppositious Child which you now say was not so And that the Earl of Essex cut not his own Throat and now say ●he did and that you invented that Lye Who then can take your Word for any thing And it is often said You will never be quiet till you are hang'd F. My Word will be taken I am sure without any ones being bound for me that I shall be quiet then if not before But however R. they say Marriage and Hanging come by Destiny and if so you may be hang'd as soon as I R. and with the same Cord too R. You know it was often said of John Lilbourn If there were but one man in the World there would be no Quietness for John would quarrel with Lilbourn and Lilbourn with John So it is said of you but this cost both dear for John had Four hundred Stripes when whipp'd in London Streets and Lilbourn had Four hundred more between them both Eight hundred I wish you better Luck Sir And for your Writings you know the witty Letters of Mr. Glanvil and Sherlock in their Account of your common-place-Common-place-book where Mr. Glanvil proves when writing against him you stole many of your Rhetorical Flowers out of his Books particularly the Vanity of Dogmatizing and as he merrily exprest it you at the same time pick't his Pocket and cut his Throat F. Let us go on honest R to other matters R. I have no more Honesty than you nor never shall whilst so conversant together Vvaque conspecta livorem ducit ab uva F. Mr. Alsop p. 22 lays claim to a Talent Nature hath indispos'd him for The most that can be allow'd him is that he is fit to be a Droll or Buffoon He can be accounted a Witty man only among little people that have no Genius or good Relish Among none whose excellency of Sense and accuracy of Gust distinguishes them from the insipid and rude Rabble All that can be allow'd him is He may set up for a Merry Andrew or hire himself at a Bartholomew-Fair True Wit p. 22 consists in jnstness of Thoughts to have Ideas of a matter p. 23 comprehensive of all that imports and reaches to the utmost dimensions of it and the Harmony that is among them c. R. Many almost all acknowledge as once you did Mr. Alsop to be a Wit I am sure I did and to be plain to my knowledge so did you when he wrote against your Adversary as well as his and now he hath crost you a little you shamefully recall what you have said times without number and clap which is worse the quite contrary in its place But Sir you rather give us a description of Wisdom than Wit that is seated in the Understanding this in the Fancy And such a description give you too that I dare pawn my Credit if I had any that every man wants no meer Man but the Protoplast had it or ever will F. Mr. Alsop will not allow himself to be a Lunatick and delirious p. 24. I tell him of Gentlemanly breeding and of Vngentlemanly things R. I pray tell me some of Mr. Alsop's Expressions that prove him to be no Wit F. He says When Mr. L. would ride in triumph over dull Presbyterians some one should have adorn'd his Chariot p. 25 and talks of S. L. that is Slanderous Libeller and that a Libel is a Lye with a Bell at the end of it R. What ails all this E. He talks also of Ordures p. 27. R. So do you in the same Book and what if all be not of a piece Was Mervil a Wit Was Etchard another Both stumbled now and then as well as Mr. Alsop tho' it may be not so unhappily as he on the Threshold of a particular Book about the Shoehorn I know Sir you love amorous Songs is not this Wit to a Sweet-heart When first I saw thee thou didst sweetly play The gentle Thief and stolst my heart away Send me it back again or send thine own For two's too much for one since I have none But if thou wilt not I will say thou art A sweet-fac'd Creature with a double heart Or that of Dr. Wilde to John Crosse when sitting against him I doubt John Cross that thou hast wed thy wo Thy Wife is Cross but thou hast made her so He answer'd My wife is cross 't is true but sometimes mild But it 's well known thy wife is always Wild. Were the Replies to K. C. You have the Valour of your Grandfather the Policy of your Father the Honesty of