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A14435	A very Christian, learned, and briefe discourse, concerning the true, ancient, and Catholicke faith, against all wicked vp-start heresies seruing very profitably for a preseruatiue against the profane nouelties of papists, Anabaptists, Arrians, Brownists, and all other sectaries. First composed by Vincentius Lirinensis in Latine, about twelue hundreth yeares ago. And now faithfully translated into English, and illustrated with certaine marginall notes. By Thomas Tuke.; Pro catholicae fidei antiquitate libellus. English	Vincent, of Lérins, Saint, d. ca. 450.; Tuke, Thomas, d. 1657. aut	1611 (1611)	STC 24753; ESTC S102090	49,335	192

neere the Church in the Inner Temple 1611. a In Natiu Dom. Ser. 4. Nisi vna est fides non est b Eccles 10. 15. c Psal 119. 105. d 2. Tim. 3. 16 e Aug. ep 48. Audi dicit Dominus non dicit Don●● c. f Is 8. 20. g Per Scripturam Deus loquitur omne quod vult Moral l. 16. c. 16. h Psal 25. 9. 12. 14. i Ioh. 16. 23. 1. Sam. 11. 2. Iohn 5. 39. o Indeede Christ lay at the Pass but that he did so at the last Supper the Scripture sayes not * Kneeling at Communion as it is required of the Church of England lawfull 1. Cor. 5 11. * Ego te non Catilmae aduersus patriā sed patriae aduer sus Caulinam gonui Quest An. * Iam. 4. 6. * 1. Pet 5. 5. Psal 25. 9. * Psal 119. 34. 66. * So called of Lerme or Lerina an Iland in the Mediterraneā sea where he liued a Deut 32. 7 e Pro. 22. 17. 3. 1. o This word signifies a pilgrime or stranger a word befitting al Christian men vnder this name our Author puts forth his Booke concealing his owne proper name least the Aduersary should reiect the worke for the workemans sake Or it may be a read peregrin a pilgrime or a stranger Psal 46. 10. a By not For the Ancients knew no merits but Christs They preached mercy not merit b That is with the helpe of God for to do a thing in the name of God is either to doe it to Gods glory or by his power authority or else as here by his grace or with confidence of his assistance as ● Psa 20. 5. c Not which himselfe hath forged vpon the anuill of his owne wit * He meanes especially such as are Saints not in respect of grace onely but of place as Bishops other Ministers whose office is holy d That is their deceit full reasons wherby they seeke to catch intangle men Quest Ans Quest Ans Quest. Ans Quest Ans Quest. Ans * Or especiall duntaxat * Latini sermonis that spake the Latine tongue d Bellona Furia were two heathen god desses the one was ouer war the other was the mother of fury c He means Constantius or Valens or both who were Arrians both f Or principall Courtiers g Antiquity acknowledgeth men liuing to bee Saints not dead men onely as some do h Heretiks break from their teachers exorbitate go an whoring after the idols of their owne braines * In sine cap. vlt. Reu. 5. 3. 5. i That is the holy Scriptures so called because it is giuen them to keep and teach I meane Ministets which book is then said to be vnsealed in our Authors sense when it is violated and corrupted k That is the Ministers of the Gospell so called because they did offer the people to God as a sacrifice killing their flesh with the Word as with a sacrifycing Knife l He alludes to the Candlesticke in Exod. 25. m Or ouerthrowen quasht stayed broken c●nteratur n Or against the custome ordin ances contra morem instituta Apud Cypri Lib. 2. Ep. 7. Obiect Ans Gen. 9. o By faith is not meant the gift of faith but the doctrine not by which but which wee do beleeue a Gal. 1. b 2. Tim. 4. c 1. Tim. 5. d Rom. 16. 17 e 2. Tim. 3. 6. f Tit. 1. 10. 11 g 2. Tim. 3. 8. h 1. Tim. 6. 4 ● i 1. Tim. 5. 13 k 1. Tim. 1. 19 l 2. Tim. 2. 17 m 2 Tim. 3. 9 o He alludes to Pedlars that go vp and downe to sell their Wares Gal. 1. 8. Quest Answer o He means not Faith whereby we do beleeue but which we doe belieue that is the doctrine of Faith which was once for euer deliuered to the Saints as in Iud. 3. Obiect Sol. Gal. 1. ● * Or infectious contagious Obiect Sol. Gal 2. 25. 26. Obiect Sol Gal. 5. 16. o There are now two sorts of Catholiks Christian Antichristiā the former are reall the other as the Iesuits are nominall titular * He alludeth to that in Act. 9. 15. * This he saith to shew the abhominablenes of their errours Quest Ans Deut. 13. 1. 2 ' a Deut. 13. 2. b Deut. 13. 3. c Or inhibit hinder let * Or teacher False teachers are called Wolues because they bite and deuoure the Sheep of Christ with their wicked errours and like Wolues they are not of the Sheepeheards feeding but his foes e He was Bishop of the Sirmitan Church But a Galatian borne skilfull in the Greeke and Latine tongues he fostered a blasphemous error against Christ and being a man of good parts otherwise ouerthrew himselfe with pride a moath that frets the cushion in which it bred as some Ancients say f Such an one is euery godly and orthodoxall Bishop and Pastor who goes before his fellowes the Sheepe of Christ in life and doctrine ringging the word of God in their eares being at the controll of the chiefe Sheepheard as well as the meanest in the flock g Humility is the nurse of verity pride curiosity be the founders of heresie a Christ is called the Word because he is begotten of the Father as words are of the mind and because hee shewes his Fathers mind vnto vs. e Non The●t ocos●sed Christoto●os Rom. 7. 13. i Lo the fond cōceit of this heretique The Colt ruins if he haue the reines o Not rage but zeale makes him thus to speake A dog will bawle bite a mad dog will not stick to bite his maister and that which he should not such are false teachers o Alius alius non aliud aliud Quest Ans Quest. Ans o Or thus is according to knowledge sayd to be created euen as in c u Psal 22. 16. a Dei non Deitatis of God not of the God head for so hee had no mother e She was holy not by generation but by regeneratiō her Sonne that tooke flesh of her gaue grace to her * Or preach * At the first sight before matters were scanned a He was the sonne of Leonides who dyed a Martyr vnder Seuerus e For his fathers goods were consiscated to Seuerus He cals his pouerty Holy because it befel him by tyranny for religion sake Cuius scientiae um Graeel encederent Obiect Sol. Obiect Sol. Obiect n Mammaa o So Cicero of Plato l. 1. Tusc quaest u He meaneth their authority Deut. 13. 1. * Or committed deliuered addicted bent * S. Ierome thinkes not so vide Epis ad Panimachium et Oceanum * Or conceipts and opinions sensus a He meaneth Priscilla and Maximil a two Montanists Deut. 13. 3. e Not cause but suffer i A quiēt hauen indeed for out of this harbour men are either tossed vpon the waues of errour or swallowed vp o For a vessell is not capable of wine till the water or dregs that filled be emptied out Pro. 22. 28. Eccles. 8. 17. Ecc. 10. 8. u 1. Tim. 6. 20. 21. a Cainophonias siue Cenephonias Pron 9. 15. 16. i Furtim o Terrigenae * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 1 Tim. 6. 20. Exod. 36. 1. * Or after a new fashion Noue non noua Quest. Ans o To proceed or make progresse o Laetetur be manured for laetamen is manure which being layd on the ground doth make it flourish Pallad lib. 1. vseth this word In laetandis inquit arboribus crs tes facicmus u 2. Cor. 3. 9. a An errour stifly mainteined is a filthy harlot * Or barely 1. Tim. 6. 20. 1. Cor. 5. 11. 2. Ioh. 10. 2. Ioh. 11. o Porrò fiue procul a sano * Or opinion concerning things or matters * Or the continent the virgins e Acts 8. 21. i That is Heretickes count is a Law and make it as a Trade * Or which the holy Fathers left in their custody Diposit● patrum Gal. 1. 9. Quest Ans o So he calleth pestilent and pernicious Teachers whose errors are as plague-soares rotten and infectious u Or drugs Math. 7. 15. Math. 7. 16. 2 Cor. 11. 13. o Or word u vers 14. 15. Quest An. Mat. 4. 5. Luk. 4. 9. Psal 91. 11. a These words are not in the Gospell though in the Psalme c That is the Diuell to Iesus and Hereticks to true Catholikes 1 Tim. 3. 15. Quest. Ans * He is said to steale the truth which writhes the Scriptures to his owne opinion or errour peruerting their meaning * Or Scriptures * For the person doth not commend the faith but faith the person 1. Cor. 12. 28. Acts 11. 27. 28. 1. Cor. 1. 10. 1. Cor. 14. 33. Uers 36. Vers 37. Uers 38. Which receiued Ualens the Arrian hauing before condemned him * Ad verb. to sacred Antiquity * Perhaps it shold be read Bishop of Alex. for the Comma is wanting in some bookes * Ad verb. of the sacred number of the Decalogue * That is the whole Church o For Papa Pope is Fatheria name of old giuen to other Bishops thē the Romane Ephes 4. 5. * All corrupt cōceits of men are no better then mud or mine they are foule filthy and therefore to be shunned of such as would not be desiled * Or forsaking the ancient Religiō through silence Quest Ans * That is which the holy Fathers agreeing in Christ held of old before 1. Tim. ● Gal. 1. o Hee that hath not the Church for his mother hath not God for his father nor Christ for his brother * Or mended and repaired

indeede after a new and naughty manner vnderstood that me thought all that conspiracy could by no meanes be destroyed vnlesse that selfe same vndertaken defended commended profession of nouelty had forsaken the alone cause of so great an enterprise To conclude what force had that Affrican Councell or Decree Truly none through the gift of God but all things were abolished made void and troden vnder foot as dreames as fables as things superfluous CHAP. 11. AND ô the wonderfull change of things The Authors of the same opinion are accounted Catholickes but the Followers are iudged Heretickes The Maisters are absolued the Schollers are condemned The writers of the bookes shall bee the children of the Kingdome but Hell shall receiue the Defenders For who would doubt that most blessed Cyprian the Light of all the Saints both Bishops and Martyrs together with the rest of his fellowes shall reigne eternally with Christ Or who on the contrary is so sacrilegious as to deny that the Donatists those other pestilent wretches which doe bragge that they rebaptize by the authority of that Councell shall burne for euer with the Diuell Which iudgement truly to me seemeth to bee promulged of God for their craftinesse especially who when they go about to forge an heresie vnder another bodies name do commonly lay hold of the writings of some ancient man something too couertly set out which in respect of their darknesse doe as it were serue for their owne opinion that that which I know not what they doe bring forth they may seeme to thinke neither first nor all-alone Whose wickednesse I iudge worthy double hatred either therfore because they are not afraid to proffer the poyson of heresie vnto others or therefore also because they do with a wicked hand blow vp and winnow the memory of euery holy man like ashes now raked vp and diffame those things with a reuiued opinion which ought in silence to be buried altogether following the foote-steps of their father Cham who not onely neglected to couer the nakednesse of venerable Noah but told it also to the rest that it might be mocked Whereby hee did so grieuously sinne against child-like piety as that his very posterity became obnoxious to the curses of his sin those brethren being blessed and farre vnlike who would neither distaine the nakednesse of their reuerend father with their owne eies nor haue it lye open vnto other mens but couered him as it is written with their faces backward which is neither to approue nor disclose the error of the holy man and therefore are they blessed in their posterity But let vs returne vnto our purpose CHAP. 12. WE should therefore greatly feare the grieuous sinne of changing the Faith and of stairing Religion from the which wickednesse wee are deterred not onely by the discipline of Ecclesiasticall Constitution but also by the censure of Apostolicall authority For all men know how grauely how seuerely and how earnestly the blessed Apostle Paul inueigheth against some that were too soone through their owne lightnesse translated from him who had called them to the grace of Christ vnto another Gospel which is not another who had heaped to themselues Teachers after their owne desires turning their eares from the truth and turning themselues to fables hauing damnation because they haue broken the first faith Who were by them deceiued of whom the same Apostle writeth to the Romane brethren Now I beseech you brethren marke them that cause dissentions offences otherwise then the doctrine which yee haue learned and auoyd them For such serue not the Lord Christ but their owne belly and by faire speeches and flattering seduce the hearts of the simple which enter into houses and lead captiue silly women laden with sinnes and led with sundry lusts euer learning and neuer coming to the knowledge of the truth Uaine-talkers and Seducers which subuert whole houses teaching things which they should not for filthy Lucre sake Men of corrupt mindes Reprobate concerning the faith proud and knowing nothing but doting about questions and strife of words destitute of the truth imagining that gaine is godlinesse Likewise also being idle they learne to goe about from house to house yea they are also bablers and busi-bodies speaking things they ought not Who repelling a good conscience as concerning faith haue made ship-wracke Whose prophane bablings further much vnto impiety and their word fretteth like a canker And it fitteth well which is also written of them But they shall preuaile no further for their madnesse shal be manifest vnto all as theirs also was When therefore some such wandring vp and downe Countries and Cities carrying about their Pedlary errors had come also to the Galatians and when as the Galatians hauing heard thē being now affected with a certaine loathing of the truth and casting vp the Manna of Apostolicke and Catholicke doctrine delighted themselues in the filthinesse of hereticall nouelty the Apostle did so exercise his Apostolicall authority as that with all seuerity he did decree But though either we saith hee or an Angel from Heauen preach vnto you otherwise then we haue preached let him bee accursed What is that which he saith But though wee Why does hee not rather say But though I The meaning hereof is this Though Peter though Andrew though Iohn Lastly though the whole cōpany of Apostles shold preach to you otherwise then we haue preached Let him bee accursed A terrible Curse that to maintaine the constant embracing of the first faith he neither spared himselfe nor the rest of his Fellow-apostles Yet this is but little Although saith hee an Angell should from heauen preach vnto you otherwise then wee haue preached let him be accursed It sufficed not for the keeping of the faith once deliuered to haue mentioned the nature of Man vnlesse hee had comprehended also the excellency of Angels Though We saith he or an Angell from heauen Not because the holy and heauenly Angels can now offend but this is his meaning If also saith hee that should bee which cannot be Whosoeuer hee be that shall assay to change the faith that was once deliuered let him bee accursed CHAP. 13. BVt hee spake it may bee these things without due regard and vttered them in an humane passion rather thē decreed them with Diuine reason Farre bee it from him for hee goes on and presseth this same point with a very earnest repetition As wee haue said before quoth he so say I now againe If any preach vnto you otherwise then that yee haue receiued let him be accursed He said not If any preach vnto you besides that which ye haue receiued let him bee blessed praised and entertained but let him be quoth he accursed that is separated put from the flock and excluded least the cursed contagion of one Sheep should corrupt the harmelesse flocke of Christ by a venemous mixture

well qualified whiles he doth insolently abuse the grace of God whiles he makes too much of his own wit and thinks so well of himself whiles he contēneth the ancient simplicity of Christian religion whiles he presumes he is wiser then all men and whiles that contemning the traditions of the Church and the maisterships of the Elders he doth after a new manner expound certaine places of the Scriptures he hath deserued that it should be sayd vnto the Church of God concerning him also If there arise among you a Prophet And a little after Thou shalt not quoth he listen to the words of that Prophet And againe Because the Lord your God saith he tryeth you whether ye will loue him or no. It was indeed not onely a temptation but euen a great temptation to remoue the Church being giuen vnto him and depending vpon him and through wondring at his wit learning eloquence conuersation and reputation suspecting him not nor fearing him to remoue the Church I say all vpon the sudden by little and little from the ancient Religion to nouell profanenesse But some man will say that the bookes of Origen are corrupted I gain say it not but had rather too it were so For that is both deliuered and written of some not onely Catholikes but also Heretiques But that is it which now we are to marke that although he himselfe bee not yet the bookes which are publiked vnder his name are a great temptation which being pestered with many wounds of blasphemies are both read embraced not as other mens but as his owne so that although Origen did not conceiue the error yet Origens authority may seeme powerfull to perswade the error CHAP. 24. BVt Tertullians cōdition also is euen the same For as he among the Greekes so this man among the Latines is without doubt to bee reputed the chiefest of all our men For who more learned then this man who more exercised in diuinity and in humanity For verily he did with a certaine admirable capacity of vnderstanding vnderstand compasse al Philosophy and all the sects of the Phylosophers the authors abettours of the sects and all their doctrines and all manner of stories and studies And did hee not excell for a wit so graue and vehement as that he propounded almost nothing to himselfe to vanquish which he did not either breake into with acutenesse or strike out with weightinesse Moreouer who can expresse the praises of his speech which was replenished with such I wot not what vrgent arguments as that whom he could not perswade he forced to consent vnto him whose sentences were almost as many as words and as many victories as reasons This knew the Martionists Apelles the Praxeans Hermogenes the Iewes Gentiles Gnostickes and the rest whose blasphemies he ouerthrew with his manifold great volumes as with certaine lightenings And yet this man also I say this Tertullian being vnmindfull of the Catholicke doctrine that is the vniuersall and ancient faith and much more eloquent thē happy changing his iudgment afterwards wrought that at last which the blessed Confessour Hilarie writeth of him in a certaine place By the error quoth he which he fell afterwards into he made the workes which he wrote well to loose their reputation And hee himselfe was also a great temptation in the Church But of him I will say no more This thing I will onely mention that because hee did against the commandement of Moses affirme that the new braine-sicke doctrines of Montanus arising in the Church and that those madde conceits of mad women euen the dreames of an vpstart doctrine were true prophecies he did deserue that it should be said of him also and of his writings If a Prophet shall arise among you And againe Thou shalt not heare the words of that Prophet Why so Because saith he the Lord your God tryeth you whether you will loue him or not By these therfore so many and so great examples in the Church and by the rest of that nature we ought euidently to marke and to know more clearely then the light that if euer any teacher in the Church shall wander from the faith the prouidence of God doth suffer it to be done for our tryall to proue whether we loue the Lord our God with all our heart and with all our soule or no. CHAP. 25. VVHich things seeing they so stand he is a true and right Catholicke who loueth the truth of God the Church the body of Christ and who preferres nothing to Gods Religion nothing to the Catholicke faith not the authority not the loue not the wit not the eloquence nor the philosophy of any man but contemning all these things and abiding firme and stedfast in the faith doth iudge that whatsoeuer he shall vnderstand to bee vniuersally held of old of the Catholicke Church himselfe should hold and beleeue alone but whatsoeuer nouell and strange doctrine hee shall perceiue to bee priuily brought in after by any one besides or against the iudgement of all the Saints hee knowes that it belongs not to religion but rather to tentation And is also especially by the speeches of the blessed Apostle Paul instructed for this is that which hee writeth in his first Epistle to the Corinthes There must bee saith he heresies euen among you that they which are approued among you might be knowen As if hee should say for this cause the Authors of heresies are not presently rooted out by God that they which are approued might be seene that is that it might appeare how sure faithful and constant a louer of the Catholick faith euery mā is And in truth when euery nouelty cometh vp the weightinesse of the Corne and the lightnesse of the Chaffe is presently perceiued at which time that is easily shaken frō the Floore which was held with no weight within the Floore For some doe forthwith flye quite away but others being onely driuen out doe both feare to perish and blush to returne being wounded halfe dead and halfe aliue as haiung drunke such a quantity of poyson as neither kild them nor was digested as would neither make them dye nor suffer them to liue Oh miserable condition with what waues of care with what whirlwinds are they tossed For somtimes which way the wind shal driue thē they are carried with a violent error sometimes returning to themselues they are beatē back like cōtrary waues somtimes by rash presumptiō they allow of those things which seeme vncertaine sometimes also through a reasonlesse feare they are afraid of those things that are certaine being vncertaine which way to go which way to returne what to follow what to fly what to hold what to let go Which afflictiō verily of a doubting wauering hart is the medicine of Gods mercy towards them if they would be wise For therefore are they tossed beaten and almost killed with sundry tempests of thoughts out of the most quiet