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A02424	A manifeste detection of the notable falshed of that part of Iohn Frithes boke whiche he calleth his foundacion, and bosteth it to be inuincible: newly set foorthe by Iohn Gwinneth clerke.	Gwynneth, John.	1554 (1554)	STC 12559; ESTC S112454	69,388	112

we do not so beleue Those .xii. onely be necessarie saith he This veritee thou seest is none of them although as all other it maie bee reduced vnto them whiche he will none of in any case lest that whiche he laboureth to ouerthrowe shoulde so by that meanes bee brought in likewise after his minde therfore without this we maie be saued That is to wit without the belefe that the commaundementꝭ of god be good or ought to be obserued kepte who will not see that this were enough to declare what a teacher he is or who hath so dull a wit that he can not perceiue how diuelish his purpose is and it were but only by this that he can finde no waie to come to it but only by such damnable pathes as this is Beholde how faine he wold proue it no nede so to beleue in the blessed sacrament of the alter as all trew Christen people beleueth In very dede so faine that to bryng it to passe with al he sticketh not here as thou seest thy selfe to leue vs clene without the nede of any and of all the veritees of holy scripture mo then bare .xii. for in those .xii. veritees of our Crede he thought surely that this veritee of the blessed sacrament could not be founde And therfore he dooth saie that thei onely are necessarie vnto saluacion to thintent he might vtterly therby exclude the nede of this whiche he wolde so cleane put awaie that euen for that cause he excludeth no lesse then all the reste saiynge The other pointes conteined in scripture although thei be vndoubted veritees yet maie I bee saued without them And this he declareth in euery condicion that is to saie whether he beleue them or not whether he vnderstande them or not and whether he misconstrew them or not All these I saie saith he maie be doone without any ieoperdie of damnacion Cap. 23. HERE Ye but sir ye must take his conclusion with all CATH What is that HERE Marie this Therfore we beleue he saith these articles of our Crede in the other is no perill so that we haue a probable reason to dissent from them CATH Doubtles a conclusion euen like hym selfe How be it I muse not so muche therat nor yet at hym nother as I dooe euen at thee HERE At me why so CATH Without faile because thou dooest no more wonder at his blynde madnesse or madde blyndenesse choose thee whether How bee it I dooe partely consider the cause For surely if thou thy selfe were not by hym somewhat combred with the same clowde of darkenesse wherin he was inuolued and wrapped hym selfe thou shouldest easely besyde his wily wickednesse perceiue hym tumbled into the greattest foolishnesse that euer thou sawest any man For whē he saith in the other is no perill so that we haue a probable reason to dissent from thē maie not I sai O folish Frith what if we haue none nor none can haue how then how is it possible to haue any probable reson to dissent frō any veritees most special aboue al frō any veritees of holy scripture For what reason is there probable in dede but onely that whiche is trewe in dede and can any one trewth be against an other Therfore if thou marke this matter well thou shalt finde that by these wordes he setteth vs euen at as muche libertee with our feith in all the .xii. veritees of our Crede as he doth in all the other For in them is no perill nother so that we haue a probable reason to dissent from them HERE Why sir we maie not dissent from them in no wise CATH What not with a probable reason what thynge is there that a probable reason dooth not bynde me to dooe For what is a probable reason but that whiche maie iustly be proued to be trewe And shall not trewth leade me trewly to and fro in euery condi●ion HERE Ye but there can be no suche probable reason to leade as from those veritees of our Crede CATH Why not from them as well as from the other veritees of scripture beside bee thei more trewe then any of the other are How be it thow speakest this of thine own head For Frith saith no more but that we maie dissent from all the veritees of scripture saue .xii. so that we haue a probable reason therto And I saie the same by that reason of those xii also if we haue a probable reason therto For what ought I to refraine whiche a probable reason will leade me vnto am I not alwaie bownde vnto trewth and what other thing is a probable reason Therfore it must nedes folow by his reason that in these veritees of our Crede is no perill so that we haue a probable reason to dissent from them Thus taketh he from vs the nede of all the veritees of scripture saue .xii. so that by the same reason he taketh awaie the nede of them to And therfore he semeth to except them in woordes but not in dede HERE Yes sir for els he wold not saie this Those articles are onely necessarie vnto saluacion For them am I bound to beleue and am damned without excuse if I beleue them not CATH What of this thou thinkest by reason of these wordes that he goth about to make vs beleue that we be bounde to the veritees of our Creede HERE what els For what purpose shoulde he speake it but for that or to shew vs how he doth beleue them him selfe CA. I thought euen as much when he intendeth none of them both For his purpose is not to make vs beleue them but onely to make vs to beleue no moe For to go about to make vs beleue so much is one thinge and to go about to make vs beleue no more is an other thing Therfore his intent is as who saie there to stoppe in our feith that it shulde goe no farther and not to bringe it thether nor there to vpholde it For although his blindnesse be so great and manifest that euen the very same which he laboureth to improue and ouerthrow he confesseth to be a veritee of scripture or els wolde he neuer cal it an article of our feith as in the .xvi. lefe of his booke he dooth in deede saiyng these wordes For though it be an article of our feith yet it is not an article of our Creede in the .xii. articles whiche are sufficient for our saluacion Although his blindnesse I say be so great that he him selfe dooeth confesse this a veritee of scripture which he laboreth so sore to improue yet because he thought it coulde not be found among the .xii. veritees of our Crede euen therfore wolde the catchpoule as it were in a pinfolde pyn vp therin our feith from all the veritees of scripture beside and all to thintent it shulde not come at this veritee of the holy sacrament and that for the speciall hatred he beareth vnto it Howe bee it in so saiyng I confesse my selfe somewhat

whiche he dooth vtterly denie saiyng ther is none suche And any other peines after this lyfe beside any of those two there is to our knowlage vtterly none Therfore what so euer he saith none other he meaneth but that it is none article of our faithe necessarie to be beleued vnder any peine at all HER. Naie sir not so for he wolde not speake it as he doothe excepte he mente vnder some peine CA. Vnder what peine is that HE Vnder the peine of suche lawes as be made ordeined for it here in this life CA. And wel said for if he ment not that plaine it is that he mente as I saide none at all But how cowld he meane that when he accompteth al those lawes nothyng els but euen the very cruell tyrannie of men whom he calleth prowde prelates and furious tyrannes of malicious mindes and vengeable hertes as it appereth in the .xiii. and .xv. lefe of his booke And therfore he wolde that men shulde in no wise folowe them but rather die then obeie them HERE How knowe you that CATH By nothyng better then his owne acte For euen so did he hym selfe HERE Yet his death dooeth shew that he was bownde vnder that peine For els he had not died CATH Take hede what thou saiest for although his death dooth shewe that he was bounde at the least vnder that peine yet it dooth not shewe that he so tooke it for all that But it dooth shew clerely the contrarie For if he had thought hym selfe bounde to beleue it he wold neuer haue chosen rather to die then to graunt it for he was not so madde although he were madde enough and to madde in dede as to chose his owne death rather then to stande to that whiche he thought hym selfe he was bound to Therfore that he chose rather to suffer death then to graunt hym selfe or any man els bounde to beleue it doth moste clerely proue and shewe that he ment it no article of our feith to bet beleued vnder any maner of peyne But to be so free at so great libertee that he thought it better to die as he did in dede then to graunt it or to be in any wise bounde vnto it Capitulo 3. HERE Then if he ment vnder no peynes at all why did he saie vnder the peine of damnacion secludynge no mo peines but onely that CATH He did it either because he could not tell therin how to expresse his mynde but foolyshely or els because he durst not russhe it euen all out plainly And yet thought to wrappe it in his wordes so craftily that his aduersaries should not take hym with the open faute directly nor his frendes belefte ignorant of his meanyng if thei weighed the sequele of his wordes throughly Wherfore sith it is clere that he wolde haue this sacrament none article of our feithe to bee beleued vnder any peine at all what followeth or what other thinge is it but that he wolde haue no man bounde to beleue it For vnder no peyne and then vnder no bonde And vnder no bonde then at our free libertee And there he wolde haue it as it dooeth well and plainly apere Therfore now let vs see the depe lernyng of this wise man wherby he hath drawen so many disciples after hym as he hath done first if we be not bounde to beleue it why is it an article of our feithe for an article of our feith he dooth confesse it as it apereth in the .xxvi. lefe of his booke where his owne wordes be these Though it be he saith an article of our feith it is none of our crede in the .xii. articles whiche are sufficient for our saluacion Capitulo 4. HERE Marry sir this dooeth open all the matter CATH How so HE. He saith it is an article of our feith but yet it is none of our Creede in the xii articles CATH A very well and therfore we are not bounde to beleeue it a blessed doctrine It is likewise none article of our Creede in the .xii. articles nother as he dothe take them that euer Christe preached or taught a monges the Iewes Therfore we are not bounde to beleue it It is none article of our Creede in the .xii. articles nother that Christe had .xii. Apostles or that there was any suche Peter or Paule as we speake of or that our Lady liued after the death of Christe And therfore we are not bounde to beleue it HERE Yes syr for all those thynges apere playne in the gospell and therfore we are bounde to beleue them CATH I tell thee the gospell it selfe is none article of our Creede in the .xii. articles nother And therfore we are not bounde to beleue any more of that then dooth apere in the .xii. articles of the Crede if we beleue Frith as to many dooe wherfore is not this a gaie teacher that wold so shut locke vp our feithe within the .xii. articles of our Crede that we nede not beleue any of these thinges nor many mo besyde as great as these be And furder more If this sacramēt be an article of our feith and we not bounde to beleue it why is it a sacrament HERE Because Christe hym selfe did so institute it CA. Then by Frithes doctrine we are not bounde to beleue Christꝭ own instituciō when that which our sauiour Christ did institute is left at our libertee to choose whether we wil beleue it or no as Frith doth holde it is And therfore is ther any mā but only Frith his adherentꝭ that wolde thinke our sauiour Christe to institute any article of our feith so that we might chose without parill w●●●her we will alowe it or no we dooe not alowe it if we dooe not beleue it and we neede not beleue it if we be not bound to it and we are not bounde to it if it be vnder no peine it is vnder no peine saieth Frithe HERE Vnder no peine of damnacion he saith CATH Vnder no peine at all he meaneth But neuerthelesse let it so be as thou saiest in his most fauour And yet that waie because there is no bond as he saith vnder that peine we may at that gappe as close as thou kepest it without any parill of damnacion after his minde cleane thrust out the credence and alowance of this holy sacrament notwithstandinge that it is of the very ordinaunce and institution of our sauiour Christe him selfe Therfore how dooeth Frithe handle this mater but euen as though our sauiour Christe at his institucion hereof had saide Here I leaue it amonge you those whether ye will beleue it or no if he had so said what might Frithe dooe more to the fortifiyng therof then he dooeth wherfore sith it is plaine that our sauiour Christe neuer saide so Nor yet as all trewe christen hertes dooe know neuer ment so what a thinge is this of Frithe that he wolde yet make vs beleue so Farther more if it