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A04434	The svmme and svbstance of the conference which, it pleased his excellent Maiestie to haue with the lords, bishops, and other of his clergie, (at vvhich the most of the lordes of the councell were present) in his Maiesties priuy-chamber, at Hampton Court. Ianuary 14. 1603. / Contracted by VVilliam Barlovv, Doctor of Diuinity, and Deane of Chester. Whereunto are added, some copies, (scattered abroad,) vnsauory, and vntrue.	Barlow, William, d. 1613.	1604 (1604)	STC 1456.5; ESTC S100949	36,617	118

againe in the same paragraph for those vvords Then they minister it it should be The Curate or lawfull Minister present shall doe it on this fashion Concluding very grauely that in this Conference he aimed at three thinges principally 1. The setting downe of wordes fit and conuenient 2. Contriuing howe thinges might be best done without apparance of alteration 3. Practise that each man may doe his dutie in his place After this his Maiestie fell into discourse about the High Commission wherin hee sayd that hee vnderstood howe the parties named therein were too many too meane that the matters they dealt in were base and such as Ordinaries at home in their Courts might censure that the braunches graunted out to the Bishops in their seuerall Diocesses were too frequent and large To which my Lords Grace aunswered seuerally 1. for the number it was requisite it should bee great for otherwise he must bee forced as oft times now it fell out to sit alone because that albeit all the Lordes of the Priuy Councell were in all the Bishoppes many of the Iudges at law some of the Clearkes of the Councell yet very few or none of thē sitting with him at ordinary times some of meaner place as Deanes and Doctors of Diuinity and Law must needes bee put in whose attendance his Grace might with more authoritie commaund and expect 2. For the matters handled therein he sayd that he often times had complained thereof but sawe that it could not bee remedied because that the fault may be of that nature as that the ordinary iurisdiction might censure it but eftsoones it fals out that the party delinquent is too great and so the Ordinary dare not proceed against him or so mightie in his state or so wilfull in his contumacy that hee will not obey the summons or censure and so the Ordinary is forced to craue helpe at the high Cōmission To the third his Grace saide that it concerned not him to make aunswere thereunto for such Commissions haue beene graunted against his will oftentimes and without his knowledge for the most part My Lord Chancelor therefore offered it to his Maiesties wisedome to consider if such Commissions should not be granted to any Bishop but such as haue the largest Diocesses which his Maiesty well approued added withall and those Bishops who haue in their Diocesses the most troublesome and refractary persons either Papistes or Puritanes but of this as also of the other things found fault with therein hee willed those to consult to whom should bee appointed the reuiew of the Commission And here that point had ended but that one of the Lordes I thinke verily rather vppon misinformation then set purpose pleased to say that the proceeding thereby was like vnto the Spanish Inquisition wherein mē were vrged to subscribe more then law required that by the oath ex officio they were inforced to accuse themselues that they were examined vppon 20. or 24. Articles vpon the sodaine without deliberation and for the most part against themselues for the euidence thereof a letter was shewed of an ancient Honourable Councelor written to the Lord Archbishop Anno 1584. of two ministers in Cambridgeshire then or there aboutes examined vpon many Articles and in the end depriued The Lord Archbishop aunswered 1. to the matter that in the manner of proceeding and examining his Lordship was deceiued for if any Article did touch the party any way either for life liberty or scandall he might refuse to aunswere neither was hee vrged thereunto 2. to the letter being in a cause twenty yeares since determined he could not aunswere the particulars but if his aunswere to that letter were found out he doubted not but as it did satisfie that Honourable Councelour when hee liued so it would also sufficiently cleare this complaint before his Maiestie My Lord of London for the matter of Subscription shewed his Highnes the 3. Articles which the Church-men of England are to approue by subscribing namely the Kinges Supremacy the Articles of Religion and the Booke of Common Prayer Al which it pleased his Maiestie himself to read and after a little glaunce giuen that the mention of the Oath ex officio came in before his due time he dilated 1. how necessary Subscription was in euery well gouerned Church that it was to bee vrged for the keeping of Peace for as laws to preuent killing did prouide there should bee no quareling so to preuent greater tumults in the Church Subscription was requisite 2. because the Bishop is to aunswere for euery minister whome he admitteth into his Diocesse it were fittest for him to know the affection of the party before his admittance the best way to know him and to preuēt future factions was to vrge his Subscription at his first entrance for Turpius eiicitur quā non admittitur hospes 3 as Subscription was a good meanes to discerne the affection of persons vvhether quiet or turbulent withal it was the principall way to auoid confusion concluding that if any after things were well ordered would not be quiet and shew his obedience the Church were better without him hee were worthy to be hanged Praestat vt pereat vnus quam vnitas Touching the Oath Ex officio the L. Chancelor and after him the L. Treasurer spake both for the necessity and vse therof in diuerse Courtes and cases But his excellent Maiestie preuenting that olde allegation Nemo cogitur detegere suā turpitudinem saide that the Ciuil proceedings onely punished factes but in Courts Ecclesiasticall it vvas requisite that Fame Scandales should be looked vnto That here was necessary the Oath Compurgatorie the Oath ex officio too yet great moderation should be vsed 1. in grauioribus criminibus and 2. in such whereof there is a publike fame 3. in distinguishing of publike Fame either caused by the inordinate demeanor of the offendor or raised by the vndiscreet proceeding in triall of the fact as namely in Scotland where the lying with a wench though done priuately and knowne or scarse suspected by two or three persons before was made openly knowne to the King to the Queene to the Prince to many hundreds in the Court by bringing the parties to the stoole of Repentance and yet perhaps be but a suspition onely And here his Maiestie so soundly described the Oath ex officio First for the ground thereof Secondly the Wisedome of the Lawe therein Thirdly the manner of proceeding thereby and the necessary and profitable effect thereof in such a compendious but absolute order that all the Lords and the rest of the present Auditors stood amazed at it the Archbishop of Canterbury said that vndoubtedly his Maiestie spake by the speciall assistance of Gods spirite The Bishop of London vpon his knee protested that his heart melted within him and so he doubted not did the heartes of the whole Company with ioy and made hast to acknowledge vnto almighty God the singular mercy wee haue receiued

sayeth his Maiestie was best but where it might not bee had godly prayers and exhortations did much good That that may be done let it and let the rest that cannot bee tollerated Somewhat was here spoken by the Lord Chancelor of liuinges rather wanting learned men then learned men liuinges Many in the Vniuersities pining Maisters Batchelors and vpwardes wishing therefore that some might haue single coates before other had dublets here his L. shewed the course that hee had euer taken in bestowing the Kinges Benefices My Lord of London commending his Honourable care that way withall excepted that a dublet was necessary in cold weather the L. Chancelor replied that he did it not for dislike of the libertie of our Church in granting one man 2. benefices but out of his owne priuate purpose and practise groūded vpō the foresaid reason The last motion by my L. of London was that Pulpits might not be made Pasquilles wherein euery humorous or discontented fellow might traduce his superiours Which the King very gratiously accepted exceedingly reprouing that as a lewde custome threatning that if hee should but heare of such a one in a Pulpit hee would make him an example concluding with a sage admonition to the Opponents that euery man shoulde solicite and drawe his friendes to make peace and if anything were amisse in the Church officers not to make the Pulpit the place of personall reproofe but to let his Maiestie heare of it yet by degrees First let Complaint be to the Ordinarie of the place from him to goe to the Archbishoppe from him to the Lordes of his Maiesties Councell and from them if in all these places no remedie is founde to his owne selfe Which Caueat his Maiestie put in for that the Bishop of London had tolde him that if hee left himselfe open to admit of all complaints neither his Maiestie should euer bee quiet nor his vnder Officers regarded seeing that now alreadie no fault can bee censured but presently the Delinquent threatneth a complaint to the King and for an instance he added how a Printer whome hee had taken faulty very lately answered him in that very kinde D. Reyn. commeth now to Subscription which concerneth the fourth generall heade as hee first propounded it namely The Communion booke taking occasion to leape into it here as making the vrging of it to be a great impeachment to a learned Ministery therefore intreated it might not be exacted as heretofore for which many good men were kept out other remoued many disquieted To subscribe according to the statutes of the Realme namely to the Articles of Religion and the Kinges Supremacy they were not vnwilling The reason of their backwardnesse to subscribe otherwise was first the bookes Apocryphall which the Common Praier booke enioyned to bee reade in the Church albeit there are in some of those Chapters appointed manifest errors directly repugnāt to the scriptures the particular instance which hee then inferred was Eccles. 48. 10. where hee charged the author of that booke to haue held the same opinion with the Iewes at this day namely that Elias in person was to come before Christ and therefore as yet Christ by that reason not come in the flesh and so consequently it implyed a denial of the chief Article of our redemption his reason of thus charging the Authour was because that Ecclus. vsed the very wordes of Elias in person which the Prophet Malachy Chap. 4. doth apply to an Elias in resemblance which both an angell Luke 1. 17. and our Sauiour Christ Math. 11. did interprete to be Iohn Baptist. The answere was as the obiection twofold First generall for Apocrypha bookes The Bishop of London shewing first for the antiquitie of them that the most of the obiections made against those bookes were the old Cauils of the Iewes renewed by S. Hierome in his time who was the first that gaue them the name of Apocrypha which opinion vpon Ruffinus his chalenge hee after a sort disclaimed the rather because a generall offence was taken at his speeches in that kinde First for the continuāce of them in the Church out of Kimidoncius and Chemnitius two moderne writers The Bishoppe of Winton remembred the distinction of Saint Ierome Canonici sunt ad informandos mores non ad confirmandam fidem which distinction hee saide must be held for the iustifying of sundry Councels His Maiestie in the ende saide hee would take an euen order betweene both affirming that hee woulde not wish all Canonicall bookes to be read in the Church vnlesse there were one to interprete nor any Apocrypha at all wherein there was any error but for the other which were cleare correspondent to the scriptures he would haue them read for else sayeth his Maiestie why were they printed and therein shewed the vse of the Bookes of Machabees very good to make vp the story of the persecution of the Iewes but not to teach a man either to sacrifice for the dead or to kill himselfe And here his Highnesse arose from his chaire withdrew himself into his inner chamber a little space in the meane time a great questioning was amōgst the Lords about that place of Eccles. with which as if it had beene their rest and vpshot they beganne afresh at his Maiesties returne Who seeing them so to vrge it and stand vpon it calling for a Bible first shewed the author of that booke who hee was then the cause why hee wrote that booke next analyzed the Chapter it selfe shewing the precedentes and consequentes thereof lastly so exactly and diuinelike vnfolded the summe of that place arguing and demonstrating that whatsoeuer Ben Sirach had saide there of Elias Elias had in his owne person while hee liued performed and accomplished so that the Susurrus at the first mention was not so great as the astonishment was now at the King his so sodaine and sound and indeede so admirable an interpretation concluding first with a serious checke to Doctor Reynaldes that it was not good to impose vpon a man that was dead a sense neuer meant by him secondly with a pleasant Apostrophe to the Lordes What trowe yee makes these men so angry with Ecclesiasticus by my soule I thinke hee was a Bishoppe or else they would neuer vse him so But for the generall it was appointed by his Maiestie that Doctor Reyn. should note those chapters in the Apocrypha bookes where those offensiue places were and should bring them vnto the Lord Archshop of Canterburie against VVednesday next and so he was willed to goe on The next scruple against Subscription was that olde Crambe bis posita that in the Common Prayer booke it is twise set downe Iesus saide to his Disciples when as by the text originall it is plaine that he spake to the Pharisies To which it was aunswered that for ought that coulde appeare by the places hee might speake aswell to his Disciples they beeing present as to the Pharisees But his

Rubrike of Priuate Baptisme which leaues it indifferently to all Laikes or Clergie the wordes Curate or lawfull Minister might not bee inserted which was not so much stuck at by the Bishops And so his Maiestie proceeded to the next point about Excommunication in causes of lesser moment first Whether the name might not be altered and yet the same censure be retained or secōdly whether in place of it another Coercion equiualent thereunto might not bee inuented and thought of A thing very easily yeelded vnto of all sides because it hath beene long and often desired but could not be obtained from her Maiestie who resolued to be still Semper eadem and to alter nothing which she had once setled And thus the VVednesday succeeding beeing appointed for the exhibiting of their determinations in these points and the Munday next immediately following this present day for the Opponents to bring in their Complaintes wee were dismissed after three houres and more spent which were soone gone so admirably both for vnderstanding speech and iudgment did his Maiestie handle all those points sending vs away not with cōtentment only but astonishment and which is pittifull you will say with shame to vs all that a King brought vp among Puritans not the learnedst men in the world and schooled by them swaying a kingdome full of busines and troubles naturally giuen to much exercise and repast should in points of Diuinity shew himselfe as expedite and perfect as the greatest Schollers and most industrious Students there present might not outstrip him But this one thing I may not omit that his Maiestie should professe howsoeuer he liued among Puritans and was kept for the most part as a Ward vnder them yet since hee was of the age of his Sonne 10. years old he euer disliked their opinions as the Sauiour of the world said Though he liued among them he was not of them Finis Primae diei THE SECOND DAYES Conference ON Munday Ianuary 16. betweene 11. and 12. of the Clocke were the foure Plaintiffes called into the Priuie Chamber the two Bishoppes of London and VVinchester being there before and after them all the Deanes Doctors present which had bin summoned Patr. Galloway somtimes Minister of Perth in Scotland admitted also to be there The Kings maiestie entering the Chamber presētly tooke his Chaire placed as the day before the noble young Prince sitting by vppon a stoole where making a short but a pitthy and sweet speech to the same purpose which the first day hee made vz. of the end of the Conference mee●e to bee had he said by euerie King at his first entrance to the Crowne not to innouate the gouernment presently established which by long experience hee had found accompanied with so singular blessinges of God 45 yeares as that no Church vpon the face of the earth more florished then this of England But first to settle an vniform order through the whole church Secondly to plant vnity for the suppressing of Papistes and enemies to Religion Thirdly to amend abuse as naturall to bodies Politike and to corrupt man as the shadow to the bodie which once being entred hold on as a wheele his motiō once set going And because many grieuous complaints had bene made to him since his first entrance into the land hee thought it best to send for some whom his Maiestie vnderstoode to be the most graue learned and modest of the aggreeued sort whome being there present he was now readie to heare at large what they could obiect or say so willed them to beginne whereupon they 4. kneeling downe D. Reynalds the Foreman after a short Preamble gratulatorie and signifying his Maiesties Summons by vertue whereof they then and there appeared reduced all matters disliked or questioned to these 4. heades 1. That the Doctrine of the Church might be preserued in puritie according to Gods word 2. That good Pastors might be planted in all Churches to preach the same 3. That the Church gouernment might be sincerely ministred according to Gods word 4. That the Booke of Common Prayer might be fitted to more increase of pietie For the first he moued his Maiestie that the Booke of Articles of Religion concluded 1562. might bee explaned in places obscure and enlarged where some thinges were defectiue For example whereas Art 16. the wordes are these After we haue receiued the holy Ghost we may depart from Grace Notwithstanding the meaning be sound yet he desired that because they may seeme to be cōtrary to the doctrine of Gods Predestination election in the 17. Article both those wordes might be explaned with this or the like addition yet neither totally nor finally and also that the nine assertions Orthodoxall as he termed them concluded vpon at Lambeth might be inserted into that Booke of Articles Secondly where it is said in the 23. Article that it is not lawfull for any man to take vpon him the office of Preaching or administring the Sacraments in the congregation before hee bee lawfully called D. Rey. tooke exception to these wordes In the Congregation as implying a lawfulnes for any man whosoeuer out of the Congregation to preach and administer the Sacraments though he had no lawfull calling thereunto Thirdly in the 25. Article these words touching Confirmation growne partly of the corrupt following the Apostles beeing opposite to those in the Collect of Confirmation in the Communion Booke vpon whome after the exāple of the Apostles argue saith he a contrarietie each to other the first confessing Confirmation to be a depraued imitation of the Apostles the second grounding it vpon their example Act. 8. 19. as if the Bishop in Confirming of Children did by imposing his handes as the Apostles in those places giue the visible graces of the holy ghost therfore he desired that both the contradiction might be considered and this ground of Confirmation examined Thus farre Doctor Reyn. went on without any interruption but here as hee was proceeding the Bishoppe of London much moued to heare these men who some of them the Euening before and the same morning had made semblance of ioyning with the Bishops and that they sought for nothing but vnitie now strike to ouerthrowe if they could all at once cut him off and kneeling downe most humbly desired his Maiestie first That the aunciēt Canon might be remēbred which saith that Schismatici contra Episcopos non sunt audiendi Secondly that if any of these parties were in the number of the 1000. Ministers who had once subscribed to the Communion Booke and yet had lately exhibited a Petition to his Maiestie against it they might be remoued and not heard according to the Decree of a verie auncient Councell prouiding that no man should be admitted to speake against that whereunto he bad formerly subscribed Thirdly he put D. Reynoldes and his Associates in minde how much they were bound to his Maiesties exceeding great clemencie in that they were permitted contrary

Parsons or Curates where the children are bred and brought vp To the opinion he replied that none of all the Fathers euer admitted any to cōfirme but Bishops alone yea euen Saint Ierome himselfe though otherwise no friend to Bishops by reason of a quarrell betweene the Bishoppe of Ierusalem and him yet confesseth that the execution thereof vvas restrained to Bishops onely ad honorem potius saaerdotii quâm ad legis necessitatem VVhereof namely of this prerogatiue of Bishoppes he giueth this reason Ecclesiae salus in summi sacerdotis dignitate pendet cui si non exors quaedam ab omnibus eminens detur potestas tot in Ecclesiis efficerentur schismata quot sacerdotes My Lord Bishop of Winchester challenged Doctor Reynolds willing him of his learning to shewe where euer hee had read that confirmation was at all vsed in ancient times by any other but Bishoppes and added with all that it was vsed partly to examine children and after examination by imposition of handes which was a ceremonie of blessing among the Iewes to blesse them pray ouer them and partly to try whether they had beene baptized in the right forme or no. For in former ages Baptisme was administred in diuerse sortes some gaue it in nomine patris filii c. others in nomine patris maioris et filii minoris as the Arrians did some in nomine patris per filium in spiritu sancto others not in the name of the Trinitie but in the death of Christ c. VVhereuppon Catholike Bishoppes were constrained to examine them who were baptized in remotis farre from them hovve they were taught to beleeue concerning baptisme if it were right to confirme them if amisse to instruct them His Maiestie concluded this pointe first by taxing Saint Ierome for his assertion that a Bishop was not diuinae ordinationis the Bishop of London thereupon inserting that vnlesse hee could proue his ordination lawfull out of the Scriptures hee would not be a Bishop 4. houres which opinion his Maiestie much distasted approuing their calling vse in the Church and closed it vppe with this short Aphotisme No Bishop no King Secondly for Confirmation his Highnesse thought that it sorted neither with the authoritie nor decencie of the same that euerie ordinarie Pastor should doe it and therefore sayd that for his part hee meant not to take that from the Bishops which they had so long retained and enioyed seeing as it pleased him to adde as great reason that none should confirme without the Bishops licēce as none shold preach with out his licence and so referring as the day before the word Examination to be added to the Rubrike in the title of Confirmation in the Communion Booke if it were thought good so to doe hee willed D. Reyn. to proceed VVho after that he had deprecated the imputation of Schisme with a protestation that he meant not to gall anie man goeth on to the 37. Article wherein hee sayd these wordes The Bishop of Rome hath no authoritie in this land not to be sufficient vnlesse it were added nor ought to haue whereat his Maiestie heartily laughed and so did the Lordes the King adding an aunswere which the Rhetoricions call 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 what speake you of the Popes authoritie here habemus iure quod habemus and therefore in as much as it is sayd he hath not it is plaine inough that he ought not to haue This and some other motions seeming both to the King and Lords very idle and friuolous occasion was taken in some by talke to remember a certaine description which M. Butler of Cambridge made of a Puritane viz. A Puritane is a Protestant frayed out of his wits But my Lord of London there seriously put his Maiestie in minde of the speeches which the French Embossador Mosr Rogne gaue out concerning our Church of Englād both at Canterbury after his arriuall after at the Court vpon the view of our solemne seruice and ceremonies namely that if the reformed Churches in Fraunce had kept the same orders among them which we haue hee was assured that there would haue bene many thousands of Protestants more there then now there are and yet our men stumble and straine at these petty quillets thereby to disturbe and disgrace the whole Church After this the D. moued that this proposition the intention of the Minister is not of the essence of the Sacrament might bee added vnto the booke of Articles the rather because that some in England had preached it to be essentiall And here againe hee remembred the 9. Orthodoxall assertions concluded at Lambeth His Maiestie vtterly disliked that first part of the motion for two reasons First thinking it vnfit to thrust into the booke euerie position negatiue which would bothe make the booke swell into a volume as bigge as the Bible and also confound the Reader bringing for example the course of one M. Craig in the like case in Scotland who with his Irenounce and abhorre his detestations and abrenunciatiōs he did so amase the simple people that they not able to conceiue all those thinges vtterly gaue ouer all falling backe to Poperie or remaining still in their former ignorance Yea if I sayde his Maiestie shoulde haue beene bound to his forme the confession of my faith must haue bene in my table booke not in my head But because you speake of Intention sayth his Highnesse I vvill apply it thus If you come hither with a good intention to bee informed and satisfied where you shall find iust cause the whole worke will sorte to the better effect but if your Intention bee to goe as you came whatsoeuer shall bee sayde it will proue that the Intention is verie materiall and essentiall to the ende of this present action To the other parte for the nine Assertions his Maiestie could not suddenly aunswere because hee vnderstood not what the Doctor meant by those assertions or propositions at Lambeth but when it was enformed his Maiestie that by reason of some controuersies arising in Cambridge about certain pointes of Diuinitie my Lordes Grace assembled some Diuines of speciall note to set downe their opinions vvhich they drevve into nine assertions and so sent them to the Vniuersitie for the appeafing of those quarrels then his Maiestie aunswered first that when such questions arise among Schollers the quietest proceeding were to determine them in the Vniuersities and not to stuffe the booke with all conclusions Theologicall Secondly the better course would be to punish the broachers of false doctrine as occasion should be offered for were the Articles neuer so manie and sound vvho can preuent the contrary opinions of men till they be heard Vpon this the Deane of Powles kneeling dovvne humbly desired leaue to speake signifying vnto his Maiestie that this matter somewhat more nearly concerned him by reason of controuersie betweene him and some other in Cambridge vpon a proposition which he had deliuered there Namely that