such like circumstances as in the 83. Pag. of the said booke against Anabaptists is also set downe alwayes provided as it must be understood that it be the true worship of God that is commanded and not any idolatry or heathenish superstition as is now in the Church of Rome commanded and practised these things being so then I reason thus further If Caesar or our King Law and Authoritie may command a place and places times c. for the publique worship of God that is to say for the assembling together of the people of God to prayer preaching reading and hearing of the word of God the administration and participation of the Sacraments praising and giving thankes unto God for all his benefits c. and that all true Christian Subjects are bound to obey the King Law and Authoritie and come to the publique worship of God in those publique places times c. then no Christian subject may separate or schisme therefrom nor make any private assemblies speake practise or doe any thing in opposition or contradictory thereunto Nay but on the contrary every Christian subject young and old is bound to be thankfull unto God day and night that hath vouchsafed to dispose the hearts of Kings Princes and Authoritie of that Nation whereof he is a member and a subject to set their helping hands to build the walls of Ierusalem to cast out the abominations of the Heathen and of Antichrist and restore the morning and evening sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving as in the former time and in the dayes of old which the Kings Princes and Authority of this our Nation have in some good measure done to the great benefit of the same thankes be unto God therefore So that taking my words right as they are Caesar may command a place for the publique and this will be the true and necessary consequence of them and then these words so he forbid none in private will receive of all charitable minded Christians a more favourable construction then to tend to the maintaining of the private assemblies of Familists Separatists or other Sectraies but onely to preserve the libertie that every Christian hath to worship God to pray unto him and doe him service at all times and in all places every where even in our secret chambers with humble and contrite hearts lifting up pure hands as the Scriptures speake Ioh 4. 23. Mat. 6. 6. 1 Thes. 5. 17 18. 1 Tim. 2. 8. and as it is in Psal. 111. 1. How false and deceitfull therefore Henry Robrowgh hath here sworne and dealt I refer to the indifferent discreet Reader to consider And secondly in that the chargeth me to agree with the Familists in the perfect puritie of the soule after regeneration and onely upon the report of one Iesop as himselfe saith I refer also this to the wise to consider how safely he may depose the same of me upon the report of another whereas for my part whatsoever Iesop hath said or holdeth I never held any such thing but doe hold the soule of the holiest man living to be impure and although as Paul faith of himselfe a regenerate Christian doth in his minde serve the law of God yet neverthelesse through the law and strength of his corrupt members he even his soule is led captive to the law of sinne and of death and so is a captive to sinne but not a servant Neither did I ever agree with the Familists or any other such like blasphemous sect in any of their tenents and opinions but have opposed and disproved them according to my abilitie as in the aforesaid booke against Anabaptists is to be seene and as some can testifie so that herein also Mr. Robrowgh is a false witnesse how rightly I have been condemned by the Court for these things upon these testimonies I refer to the discreet Christian Reader to consider Their third Accusation as it is in the sentence of the Court according to Mr. Denisons fourth Article That the said Etherington within the time aforesaid hath also maintained and published that the Church of England is no true Church of Christ and that it teacheth false doctrine To the first part that the Church of England is no true Church of Christ Rowland Thomson Thomas Rogers and Henry Robrowgh doe depose and testifie The testimony of Thomson To the fourth he deposeth and saith that he this deponent hath within the time articulate heard the said Etherington maintaine or publish some of the opinions articulate viz. that the Church of England as it is now by Law established is no true Church of Christ The testimony of Rogers To the fourth Article he deposeth and saith that the said Etherington hath within the time articulate and since the 20 of December 1623. held and published in this deponents and his precontest Thomsons presence that the Church of England as it is here by Law established is no true Church of Christ The testimony of Robrowgh To the fourth Article he deposeth that the articulate Etherington hath of this deponents knowledge within the time articulate maintained and published that the Church of England as it is here by Law established is no true Church of Christ because he teacheth this true Church to consist of the regenerate onely as in his booke against Separatists Pag. 15. My answer and defence Thomson and Rogers they as two confederates keepe close together in their conspiracy against me for although I neither published nor spake to or in the hearing or presence of them or any other that the Church of England as it is now by Law established is no true church of Christ nor any thing to such purpose yet these two Joyners as well acquainted before hand with Mr. Denisons Articles and being with Henry Robrowgh the chiefe of his counsell in the inventing and making them to confirme what they had begun by a secret equivocation they depose upon some words which I spake in answer to their questions and demands that I had published as aforesaid and because they will be sure to agree in one tale they come both together to the office to be examined and there Rogers standing by Thomson while he was examining which is the reason why the Examiner calleth Thomson Rogers precontest as being examined immediately before him and in his presence and hearing which my selfe comming to the Office the same time saw let not the Reader therefore marvaile that they so well agree They name no time place nor person to be present besides themselves Rogers and his precontest when I should publish this thing and I was never in company with these two men alone at any time Christ sayth He that doth evill hateth the light and he that doth well commeth to the light c. wherefore if these mens consciences had not accused them of their false and evill dealing and that they had not feared their evill deeds to be discovered they would no doubt have named both time and place and some of the
That outward Ordination of a Minister doth not make a true Minister Deposed by Henry Robiough from the foresaid booke against Anabaptists To which I answer and confesse that the words are in the place of the booke and I am not afraid to justifie them to be truth agreeing with the Scriptures and with the Doctrine of the Church of England as I meant them I doe not say that out ward Ordination of a Minister doth not make a lawfull Minister outwardly nay I acknowledge it doth So as that hee may lawfully Minister and people may lawfully receive the word and Sacraments with him according to the 26. and 36. Articles of the Church of England and as it was in the Apostles times and in the Church of the Iewes with Christs approbation But this I say that outward Ordination doth not make a true and faithfull Minister inwardly in Gods accounts he may be a deceiver a false Prophet an Antichrist notwithstanding which they that are true in Gods account called and sanctified of him by a more speciall heavenly inward calling may not for they are built upon the Rocke the gates of hell shall not prevaile against them Otherwise if outward Ordination of a Minister did make a true Minister inwardly in Gods account then all they of the Church of Rome must needs be true Ministers for they have outward Ordination as they have also outward Baptisme and such as wee doe not hold needfull to be cast off if any come out from them and receive another outward Ordination and Baptisme before they may administer or be received for true Ministers or true Christians as the Anabaptists opinions is So that of necessity there must be some more excellent thing or things besides outward Ordination and outward Baptisme to make a true Minister and a true Christian in Gods account Neither were the words spoken or given in a private Conventicle to adherents or disciples of mine as my doctrine to them as my answers seeme to depose or at least as the Register set it downe and is in the Sentence But they were written in defence of the calling of the Ministers of the Church of England and of the Sacrament of Baptisme here administred against the Separatists and Anabaptists who denyed the same and was published in print with licence of the Bishop of London being first viewed over by himselfe and by his appointment by Master Crashaw then Minister of White-Chappell who did also approve of the same and suscribe to them which is well knowne to be true And this deponent Henry Robrough chargeth me further saying That hee knoweth the Articulate Etherington doth teach and maintaine opinions which doe derogate from the Iurisdiction of Bishops because he interpreteth that place of Scripture Math 18. Tell the Church to be understood of the little ones borne of God as in his booke against Separatists page 74. To which I answer That if Master Robrough can and when he shall infallibly prove as he doth here in effect sweare that Bishops are not not can be of the little ones borne of God spoken of in Mat. 18. then will I grant his deposition to be true in the meane time hee proveth himselfe a false accuser and one that denieth Bishops to be of the holy Catholicke Church of Christ which I doe not For although it be true that the little ones borne of God the lively stones built on the head corner-stone Iesus Christ be the true Church of Christ against which the gates of hell shall not prevaile and to which Christ hath given the keyes of the Kingdome of heaven as in Mat. 16. and Matt. 18. and 1 Pet. 2. and other Scriptures is evident And that the places and Iurisdictions of Bishops be now great and great and high places be dangerous and slippery places as the Scriptures speake and experience lamentable hath a long time and often proved yet notwithding I undoubtedly beleeve that Bishops have been or may and shall be found to be of the little ones borne of God and so of Christ true Church against which the gates of hell shall not prevayle c. When many a one of as low a place in the Church as Master Robrough shall come short of being of that number For I know that he that is greatest may be as the least and he that is chiefe as him that serveth according to the word and commandement of Christ And it greatly concerneth every such one so to be and to beare with his weake Christian brother and not to constraine him with any kind of violence either in words or deeds to doe things against his conscience which he is not nor can yet be perswaded of though otherwise lawfull because whatsoever is not of faith is sinne That so ruling in wisedome and judging alwayes righteous judgement instructing with truth in the spirit of meekenesse and love shewing mercy with good works of charity hee may receive double honour of his Christian brethren and so continuing be found one of those of whom Christ sayeth Blessed is that Servant whom his Lord when he commeth shall find so doing But otherwise if any one so intrusted in place of authority shall begin to smite his fellowes to eate and drinke with the drunken c. the same servants Lord will come in a day that hee is not aware of c. and will hew him in peeces and give him his portion with hyporites And Iohn Okey the man that vowed hee would not leave me till he made me fry to this of the fourth Article he deposeth saying That he knoweth that the said Etherington held that hee was as Elias left alone and that he knew none to be of the visible Church of God but himselfe These are Okeys words as they stand in the deposition which in the Briefe that was read to the Court are altered and set downe thus That within the time articulate the said Etherington hath affirmed that he was as Elyas left alone and that he knew none of the visible Church of God but himselfe And to this deposition of Okeys is also added another of Henry Robroughs his words as they stand in the briefe which was read to the Court are these That the Author of the Epistle to the Church of Rome viz. Iohn Etherington affirmeth that he knoweth no man in the flesh that holdeth with him That the said Etherington is the Author of the book intituled The Epistle to the Church of Rome looke page 9. My Answer and Defence First for the words of Okey they are a very false accusation in both places I never held neither affirmed nor thought any such thing of my selfe but doe hold it a vile and wicked thing for any man so to thinke much more to affirme to himselfe or of any other How Okey knoweth that I held this of my selfe which he deposeth in the first place or who heard me affirme so of my selfe in the second place he mentioneth not And for him he is a man
of December 1623 they are very carefull to have set down because they would not have King Iames his pardon by any means to relieve me against their wicked conspiracy And Henry Robrowgh he sayth not that I have often times taken upon me to expound sundry places of Scripture and to instruct many persons in his presence and hearing c. Which he might have deposed as safely as they having all one and the same ground hereby seeming to have some more honesty in him But that I professe my selfe to be a man able and sets downe the reason thereof to be because I have opposed some Ministers in disputation naming himselfe onely and the writing that passed betweene him and me for proofe thereof Whereas as it is well knowne he was the man that desired it and promised faire and friendly proceeding though he now hath shewed himselfe otherwise and mentioning also my printed bookes as in his deposition for further ground As if a man may not reason or dispute with a Minister nor speake or write of Religion or of the Scriptures but he therein taketh upon him as a teacher or instructer and professeth himselfe to be a man able for this is the thing Robrowgh drives at as well as Thomson and Rogers to prove against me to the Court which for my part I never did professe nor take upon me although I know a man may through the grace and gift of God be in some measure able that dareth presume to take the office name or profession of a Teacher or Instructer upon him And such gifts of God as to prophecy if in a man of the lowest degree place or calling in the Church of God Shepheard Clown Carpenter or other ought not to be dispised or envied at for his low estate or meannesse of his person sake Nay a greater Messenger of God then ever Mr. Robrowgh was or will be sayd once of some that for the same causes were so envied and complained of I would that not onely they but the whole host of Israel did prophecy And St. Paul sayth without excepting the meanest artificer Desire the best gifts and chiefly that yee may prophecy Mr. Robrowgh forgets that they were but envious scorners though Scribes and Pharises who once upon such tearmes so slighted and dispised the Lord himselfe his works and words So that Mr. R. comes nothing short of Thomson and Rogers in false witnes-bearing and scorning I will not equall him with the old Scribes and Pharises because of the honour and grace of him whom they so dispised And for Nicholson the other witnesse a man that I was never in any sort conversant with nor have had one halfe houres time of speech with in my life whose testimony therefore is altogether as he hath heard and beleeveth and so what he hath heard and beleeveth he presumeth to sweare what those new or strange poynts of doctrine are in his deposition he nameth not nor any one of those sundry persons that I should expound the Scriptures unto whom he calls my proselites and followers and me their Teacher in matter of doctrine But howsoever though his deposition be but upon hearesay onely and as he verily beleeveth yet the Court hath so credited his testimony that the most of the words and matters of this first accusation in the sentence are his words and grounded chiefly upon his deposition and so he is and will be found a false witnesse like the rest and the Count I suppose cannot be excused but I referre all to the understanding Reader to judge how rightly I have been dealt withall by my accusers and the Court But now let me yet give the Reader a little further to understand That before Mr. Denison began his suite in Court against me after he had begun to revile me in his Pulpits and I having used all meanes both by writing and friends of his and my own to speake with him to informe him rightly of things concerning my selfe and my minde in matters of Religion before some men of understanding that they might heare and discerne truly thereof and so pacifie him and stay his violent course and could by no meanes obtaine either the one or the other but that he still persisted both at Cree-Church and great Allhallowes for neere halfe a yeare together reviling me by name in most bitter manner calling me Viper Serpent Heretique Familist and many other vile reproachfull and scandalous names unseemly to be spoken and shamefull to be uttered by a Minister in a Pulpit and charging me with many very false and wicked things and saying to the people This is one Etherington a Box-maker whither he be dead or alive with God or the devill I cannot tell I know him not if I meet him in my dish c. And utterly refusing still to be spoken with gave out in his Pulpit as a flat deniall saying Must I speake with every Heretique before I may reprove him openly nay it hath been told me by them of the houshold of Cloe and I beleeve it to be true Then I being much urged and provoked by reason of some that began to conceive and say If things were not so and that I were not such a one as he had charged me to be I would complaine Hereupon I confesse I did complaine by Petition to Doctor Martin who was then Chancellor for so I was advised certifying him how matters had passed and requesting that he would send for Mr. Denison and examine the reason of his so strange and unlawfull proceedings and to stay the same and appoint that the things of difference in opinion or howsoever might be heard before some Ministers if he thought fit to which he answered You have brought me here a strange Petition I know Mr. Denison to be a very honest man I know not you I will not send for him Dic ecclesia Then as thinking it but my dutie to seeke to the Rulers of the people whose office is to defend the innocent and to rebuke the offenders and as hoping still things would be heard examined and ended in peace I did complaine to the Bishop of London to the same effect who granted my Petition and sent for Mr. Denison who at the time appointed came bringing with him his friend Mr. Robrowgh to assist him And so the Bishop having questioned some thing about the matter and a little blaming him spake when to have another time of hearing which Mr. Denison presently opposed saying I meant to have had him into the high Commission Court if he had not prevented me Dr. Martin being also there present and speaking to his purpose as his speciall friend furthering his motion the Bishop answered you may then doe so yet which when I perceived and that Mr. D. had such a friend of Dr. Martin I did with as much speed as I could Petition to the Archbishop of Canterbury certifying him also how things had passed and requesting that he would be pleased to send for
false and very erroneous doctrine and to be a dangerous step of falling from Christ for Saint Paul testifieth plainly that the Gentiles which had not that Law of Circumcision and the Sabbaths c. might have the truth and effect thereof in their hearts and be a Iew inwardly in the spirit though not outwardly in the flesh so that there was never such a necessity as those false Teachers taught and most part of the Jewes conceived nay they ought to have knowne that although themselves that had the Law to whom especially it was given were bound to observe it to the utter-most of their power yet if they fayled in any part as all did in many and so in all parts they might be saved another way through the grace and mercy of God in the Gospell and that of this there was alwayes a necessitie and without the same no man could be saved and that a Gentile having the same grace should be saved though he were ignorant of the Law for this is the effect which was signified by those signes and shadowes which are now as it was a law to the Iewes ceased to Christians Unto all this doe agree the best approved writers of the Christian Church both of the antient and latter sâ—â—ce the Apostles times as Hierome upon Gal. 4. Augustine in his Epistles ch. 19. and in his booke Conscientiae Diaeta and of the Spirit and letter chap. 14. and upon these words of Christ Take up thy bed and walke Tract. 17. Tertullian also in his booke Adversus Iudaeâ—s and others And of the latter Master Tindall in his answer to Master Moores first booke page 287. Doctor Barnes in declaration of the cause of his condemnation page 106. Master Fâ—ith in his declaration of Baptisme page 96. Master Calvin and others and as it is contayned in the Harmony of consessions of the Reformed Churches page 473. and page 499. besides sundry writers of this present age So that in this I am not singular though I differ from Master Denison Their fift accusation That the Bookes of Esdras are and ought to be esteemed part of the Canonicall Scripture They that testifie to this are Rowland Tomson and Susan Price their testimonies are both according to the words of the Sentence My Answer and defence Their testimonies to this also as they have given it into the Court are false for I never said that the two last Bookes of Esdras which it seemeth they meane are or ought to be held canonicall or part of the canonicall Scripture But this I say and doe beleeve that Esdras was a holy Prophet and true servant of God and that those his two last Bookes are as well as the rest holy and true as sundry Divines have esteemed him and written of them and one Booke now publike Printed first in Queene Elizabeths dayes and presented to the Lord Robert Devoreux Earle of Essex upon the 11. chap of the last Booke of Esdras wherein matters of great moment are manifested worthy I dare say to be regarded of every true Christian that desires understanding And I dare say further that they have done and doe very wickedly which rayle against him calling and counting him a counterfeit a lyer a blasphemer as some have done it had beene farre more wisdome for them to have left him in these his last Bookes and suspended their judgements untill time the tryer and discoverer of truth from falshood should manifest things more clearely that so upon cleare proofe of experience they might have judged rightly of that which through want of understanding they could see before Their sixt accusation as it is in the Sentence That the said Iohn Etherington within the time aforesaid hath kept private Conventicles or exercises of Religion by the Lawes of the Realme prohibited and taken upon him in such Conventicles to be the chiefe speaker or expoundâ—r of the Scripture and hath many adherents disciples and followers of his doctrine and giveth many oppositions contrary to the received opinions taught in the Church of England saying that outward ordination of a Minister doth snot make a true Minister And hath useth many reproachfull speeches to and of the Ministers of the Church of England And by this meanes hath seduced and drawn many from th Church of England to be Scismatiques and separatists and caused them or some of them to forbeare to participate with us in the celebrating of Devine service and Sacraments They that testifie to this are Rowland Tomson Thomas Rogers Christopher Nâ—cholson Peter Worcester Susan Price Henry Robrough Iohn Okey George Dunne Here like pursuers of blood they cry out together with open mouth as if they meant now at last to swallow me up quite and cleane this being the maine toyle which they from the beginning had layed whereby above all they made sure account to take me Their depositions to this sixt Accusation are not onely many but so long and tedious that if I should set them all downe with answers to every particular thing in them it would require more time and space then all that is already past and would weary any sober mind to read them over I will therefore give my answer defence to that which is contained in the words of the Sentence as being the maine and summe of all as also to the chiefe of their depositions and leave the rest untill some further occasion shall serve My Answer and Defence To the first concerning private Conventicles and exercises of Religion by the Lawes of this Realme prohibited my answer is It is a false accusation I never kept any such nor have done otherwise then I have acknowledged in my Defence to their first Article as one Christian neighbour or friend may and ought to doe to and with another which I am out of all doubt the lawes of this Realme doe not forbid neither I hope ever will And secondly whereas they say that I take upon me to be a chiefe speaker or expounder of the Scriptures and to have many adherents disciples and followers c. My answer is They charge me in this also very falsely I am so farre from taking upon me such things as that I doe reject the very thought thereof in my selfe especially and have opposed and reproved such as have so done and beene so affected as some can witnesse although I confesse I have beene free and alwayes ready to speake to my neighbour and friend and children c. whatsoever I have knowne and understood of the word and wayes of God as I have beene also to heare and recite and so I hope I shall continue to doe as time and occasion shall serve so long as I live Thirdly in that they charge me to give many expositions contrary to the received opinions taught in the Church of England The chiefe besides those before mentioned of Repentance c. which I confesse are contrary to Mâ—ster Denisons and Robroughs doctrine being as it seemeth this contained in the Sentence