THE FIRST PART OF PROTESTANTS PROOFES FOR CATHOLIKES RELIGION AND RECVSANCY Taken only from the vvritings of such Protestant Doctors and Diuines of England as haue beene published in the raigne of his Majesty ouer this Kingdome PSAL. 1. vers 1. Blessed is the man that hath not gone in the counsaile of the vngodly ANNO DOMINI 1607. TO THE MOST HONOVRABLE LORDES AND OTHERS OF HIS MAIESTIES PRIVIE COVNCELL MOST HONOVRABLE As nothing can be lesse concealed then the long manifold and knowne miseries of English Catholikes for their ancient faith So if we consider by what plots and practizes the aduancement of Presbiterall discipline hath beene and daylie is more and more affected and only or chiefly as the defendors thereof professe a Iacob p. 73. of his reasons Protestāt letters in the end of the conference 1603. Purit offer of confer c. receiuing obstacle in course of learning by the groundes of Catholike religion The pennes and pulpits of Puritans and their Printers will sufficiently write preach and publish to the world by whome and to what purpose no smal part of these afflictions haue beene vrged and incited against vs not only by those fewe which refuse your externall conformity but such as for a fashion followe it to retayne themselues in authority For proofe whereof the greatest number of the present Protestant writers D. Sutcliffe b Sutcliffe against D. Kellison pag. 42. D. Doue c Doue perswasion p. 31. D. Field d Field p. 170. M. Willet e Willet Antilog pa. 275. Wotton f Wotton defence of Perkins pag. 28. Middleton g Middleton papistomastix p. 201. c. doe teach there is no matter of faith no substantiall essentiall or materiall point or difference in religion betweene Protestants and Puritans But they are of one Church Faith and Religion Then either they be Puritans or of no religion and it is not materiall with them whether men be of a true or false religion of any or none at all For his Majesty h K. speach in Parl. 1603 conference at Hampton p. 36. 80. 81. 82. the Bishop of Winchester i B. of Winchest Suruey pag. 466. 467. 474. 486. c. D. Couell k Couell defence of Hooker p. 68. against Burges in Prefat pag. 33. two of your best writers M. Parkes l Parkes against lymbomastix pag. 92. 93. Prefat Apolog. Epistol dedicat M. Ormerod m Ormerod Epist. dedicat pict Purit c. and others conclude from their doctrine and their owne bookes extant tell vs Their religion is to beleeue that euery Prince King or Emperor disanulling the Presbitery is enemy to God vnworthy to raigne to be resisted by force of armes not to be prayed for No King no Monarchy no Bishop no true Church in England or wheresoeuer their Presbitery wanteth The article of Christes discent to hell is an jdle and vaine fansie a meere dreame an intruded fable a pernitious heresie Christ was a sinner suffered the torments of the damned his diuinity humanity and saluation heauen and hell are questioned the foundation it selfe is shaken And such Professors haue professed and profited so farre that by outward signes communion profession protestation subscription no man can tell who is of what religion among them For men by this doctrine as his Highnes n Conference supr pag. 82. hath noted will denie their religion to make their party good against the Bishops A chiefe Professor may professe o Willet Antilog in prefat Latin to our Soueraigne Puritanus non sum I am no Puritan to haue better meanes to write p Willet lymbomastix Lymbomastix and q Parkes against lymbomastix p. 106 become the greatest promoter of pretended discipline Though a Minister subscribe-foure times r Burges Apol apud Couell against Burges He may defend both that and refusall lawfull c. Wherefore seing such teachers by such meanes as Protestants acknowledge ſ Parkes Apol. epist dedicat Couel against Barg in pref Make way for Atheisme and Infidelity and t Parkes supr epist dedicat men say they knowe whome to flie but whome to followe they cannot tell I hope it unto heynous sinne in Catholikes not to followe such conductors And for further excuse because they write they u Vniuersity of Oxfor against the Millinar petition p. 32 are more famous for learning then all the Ministers of Europe and yet doe not only refuse all equall triall offered by vs but either cal x Willet Eccles triumph pag. 40. apud Parkes against lymbomast p. 28. the rules and principles of religion which his Majesty approueth and we humbly accept a foolish conceit and imagination or y Wotton defence of Perkins p. 15. 16 vtterly reject them and will only be tryed by themselues A poore Catholike Student in most dutifull manner presenteth vnto your Honours these Protestant proofes for all chiefe points of Catholike religion only taken from their owne writings since the beginning of his Majesties raigne in England First to giue them all aduantage because in this time they haue written so much and so vncharitably against vs that one of their owne number z Omer pict pap in postscript epist adjudgeth many of their bookes to the fire and their authours worthy death Secondly because I cannot tell whether they wil allow what they wrote or taught in the dayes of Queene Elizabeth seing they defend they may often change doe * Doue perswasiō p. 31. at the least at the change of euery Prince And so with all submissiue respect I leaue this cause to your wisest consideration and your most Honourable persons to Gods protection THE FIRST PART OF PROTESTANTS PROOFES FOR CATHOLIKES RELIGION AND RECVSANCY Chapter the first Of the supreame and most preeminent authority of the true Church howe necessary it is to finde it followe the directions and rest in the judgement of it DOCTOR FIELD a late Protestant writer beginneth his dedicatory Epistle to the L. Archbishoppe of Canterbury before his bookes of the Church in this māner a D. Field of the Church epist dedicat There is no part of heauenly doctrine more necessary in these daies of so many intricate controuersies of religion then diligently to search out which among al the societies of men in the world is that blessed company of holy-ones that house-hold of faith that spouse of Christ and Church of the liuing God which is the piller and ground of truth that so they may embrace her communion followe her directions and rest in her judgement D. Couel writeth of the Church in these wordes b Couell defence of Hooker pag. 30. art 4. That which by her Ecclesiasticall authority shee shall probably thinke and define to be true or good must in congruity of reason ouer-rule all other inferior judgements whatsoeuer And to them that out of a singularity of their owne aske vs why we thus bang our
conference vvhereby the ground of Protestants denying these bookes by S. Hieromes opinion as D. Doue hath witnessed is vtterly ouerthrowne D. Couell answereth p Couell against Burges pag. 85. 86. 87. 88. 89. 90. 91. the objections against Burges the Puritan in particuler as Catholikes doe and sheweth that these bookes haue vvithout cause beene accused of faults by Protestants only to denie them to be Canonicall as Catholikes hold He addeth further thus They are most true and might haue there concilement of other Scriptures And againe in these vvordes q Couell supr pag. 87. If Ruffinus be not deceiued they were approued as parts of the old Testament by the Apostles For when S. Hierome write so scornefully of the history of Susanna and the song of the three children he chargeth him therein to haue robbed the treasure of the holy Ghost and diuine instrument which the Apostles deliuered to the Churches And S. Hierome who is not vsually slowe to defend himselfe leaueth that point vnanswered pretending that what he had spoken was not as his owne opinion but what the Iewes objected And for his paines in translating the booke of Iudith vvhich the Protestants denie he giueth this reason because we reade that the Councell of Nice did reckon it in the number of holy Scriptures Hitherto D. Couels vvordes And much like vnto this of Ruffinus he citeth r pag. 76. 77. from S. Augustine S. Cyprian and others temporibus Apostolorum proximis in the next age to the Apostles Objection And if any man shall object against me that ſ Art 6. Syn. Lond. 1562. the sixt Article of the English Protestant religion excepteth against these bookes and leaueth them forth of the Canon of Scriptures t Answere I answere this proueth nothing but to proue their religion to be contradictory and vnpossible to be true For the bookes of Communion and Homilies as before authorized aswell by those Articles as the statute of Queene Elizabeth and the late Protestant Canons receiue cite and practise them for Canonicall Againe that sixt Article is contradictory to it selfe in this point and so of no authority by Protestants themselues for it only approueth for Canonicall Scriptures to vse the wordes of the Article u Articul 6. supr Those Canonicall bookes of the old and newe Testament of whose authority was neuer any doubt in the Church in the name of holy Scriptures these we vnderstand And yet these Protestants doe tell vs x Willet Synops q. 1. of Script pag. 2. 3. edit anno 1594. that all Scriptures haue beene doubted off by one Church or other But to contaynemy selfe vvithin my time of limitation I vvill only cite the Bishop of Winchester he writeth thus y B. Bilson suruey of Christs sufferings pag. 664. The Scriptures themselues were not fully receiued in all places no not in Eusebius time He saith the Epistle of Iames of Iude the second of Peter the second and third of Iohn are contradicted Thè Epistle to the Hebrewes was contradicted the Churches of Syria did not receiue the second Epistle of Peter nor the second and third of Iohn nor the Epistle of Iude nor the Apocalipse the like might be said for the Churches of Arabia Will you hence conclude that these parts of Scripture were not Apostolike or that we neede not receiue them nowe because they were formerly doubted off Hitherto B. Bilsons vvordes By which it both appeareth by Protestants howe their Article doth contradict it selfe And I may conclude vvith the Protestants before that all bookes which the Roman Church receiueth for Scripture be Canonicall and most holy Whereby it is too manifest what a grounded religion that Protestancy is which hath excluded so long time so many bookes of Scripture and so many Articles of faith prayer for the dead patronage of Saints and Angels prayers vnto them and the like And yet would pretend that their religion is only founded vpon the word of God in Scripture Chapter 5. The vulgar Latin translation of Scriptures vsed by the Roman Church is best the English Protestant translations are erroneous NEXT to the Canon and Text of Scriptures let vs entreate of their translations both as they are vsed in the Roman Church and the English Protestants And first concerning the vulgar Latin allowed among Catholikes D. Doue writeth thus a Doue perswasion p. 16 We Protestants graunt it fit that for vniformity in quotations of places in schooles and pulpits one Latin text should be vsed and we can be contented for the antiquity thereof to preferre the old vulgar translation before all other Latin bookes so much we doe yeeld to the Councell of Trent And D. Couell entreating of translations of Scripture against Burges the Puritan answereth in these wordes b Couell against Burges pag. 94. We are ready to confesse whether you vnderstand the Italian or that which goeth vnder the name of S. Hierome that they were vsed anciently in the Church a thousand and three hundred yeares agoe one of them by S. Augustine preferred before all the rest the other highly commended by Beza and that of the vulgar though with Pagnin and Driëdo we thinke it was not S. Hieromes but mixt yet we can be content to say as Isodore doth of it interpretatio eius this translation is to be preferred before others Hitherto his owne wordes And if M. Couell Doue and other Protestants well consider the judgement of the Councell of Trent in this question and the preface to the Bible of Xistus quintus they shall perceiue the intent of the holy Councell being only to approue that Latin translation vsed a thousand and three hundred yeares since in the Church as D. Couell telleth vs when it was in the flourishing and best estate and so to be reuerenced by Protestants judgement before and not to reject either the Greeke in the newe or Hebrewe Text of the old Testament Touching other translations D. Couell writeth c Couel supr pag. 94. No translation whatsoeuer is authenticall Scripture And D. Doue addeth d Doue persw pag. 16. All translations haue many faultes M. Burges in his Apologie writeth thus of the approued English Protestant translation e Burges Apolog pa. 93. in D. Couels answere It is a translation which hath many omissions many additions which some-times obscureth some-times peruerteth the sence being some-time senselesse some-times contrary And D. Couell in his answere acknowledgeth so farre faults in their translation that he requireth a better to be established The 22. Preachers of London write of the translation only in the communion booke in this manner f Petit. of 22. preachers except 11. against the com booke It contayneth in it diuers corrupt translations of Scriptures by leauing out of wordes putting too of wordes peruerting the meaning of the holy Ghost The Suruey of the booke of common prayer addeth g Suruey of the booke of com prayer pag. 160. There be many grosse
judgements on the Churcbes sleeue we answere with Salomon two are better then one For euen in matters of lesse moment it Eccles 4. v. 9 was neuer thought safe to neglect the judgement of many rashly to follow the fancy and opinion of some fewe And in another place thus he citeth D. Whitakers to the same purpose c Couell cont Burges p. 60. The Church of Christ according to her authority receiued from him hath warrant to approue the Scriptures to acknowledge to receiue to publish and command vnto her children M. Wotton witnesseth d Wotton defence of Perkins pa. 442. The judgement of the Church we are so farre from discrediting that we hold it for a very speciall ground in this matter of Scriptures M. Ormerods wordes be these e Ormerod pict pap pag. 93. The Church is called a piller because it is like vnto a piller For as a piller doth supporte and vnder-proppe a building maketh it more stable firme and strong so the Church doth sustaine and support the truth for the truth is no where preserued but in the Church D. Sutcliffe approueth this sentence f Sutcliffe against th◠three cōuers pag. 7◠Christes true Church is a diligent and wary keeper of doctrines committed to her and changeth nothing at any time diminisheth nothing addeth nothing superfluous looseth not her owne nor vsurpeth thinges belonging to others Neither is this different from their publike doctrine thus decreed in the twenty Article of their religion g Articul 20. 1562. The Church hath power to decree Rites or Ceremonies and authority in controuersies of faith And the joyning with this true Church of Christ is so needfull a thing that D. Field concludeth h Field p. 69. There is no saluation remission of sinnes or hope of eternall life out of the Church Like is the judgement of D. Couell i Couell def of Hooker pag. 76. and others Wherefore seing Catholikes professe themselues members of the Roman Church before they thinke of forsaking it let vs examine vvhether these Protestants vvill not allowe it for this true Church of Christ so dignified by their doctrine Chapter 2. The Roman Church euer was and still is by these Protestants the tru◠Church of Christ it continueth all thinges belonging to saluation they which liue and die therein may be saued THE Protestant Relator of religion vvriteth thus of the Roman Church a Relation of the state of religion ca. 48. There are amongst them vndoubtedly in great multitude men vertuous learned fraught with the loue of God and the truth aboue all thinges men of memorable integrity of bart affections b Cap. 6. In their sermons much matter both of faith and piety is eloquently deliuered by men of wonderfull zeale and spirit c Cap. 6. supr The outward state and glory of their seruice doth ingender quicken encrease and nourish the inward reuerence respect and deuotion which is due vnto soueraigne Majesty and power d Cap. 9. Their deedes of charity are exceeding e Cap. 22. 26. No seuerity of life comparable to some of their Religious If Protestants were or would be at vnion with them f Cap. 48. they shall find excellent order of gouernement singuler helpes for encrease of godlines deuotion for the conquering of sinne for the profiting of vertue And perswading an vnion he only requireth Catholikes to giue ouer fiue thinges al dispensable and not any of them essential as he teacheth And aduiseth Protestants to change their religion vnto vs with that condition Secondly we are assured that the highest authority of Christs Church is in the Roman Church or in none at all for D. Field writeth g Field p. 228 That the supreame binding and commanding authority is only in Bishops in a generall Councell so D. Morton h Mortō part 2. Apol. p. 340 D. Sutcliffe i Sutc. against D. Kellison p. 41. 42. 102 the Bishop of Winchester k B. Bilsons Suruey p. 85. and others But all men knowe and D. Sutcliffe with others acknowledge the Protestants haue had no such Councell so the Protestant Relator of religion teacheth e Relation of relig cap. 47. that this preeminence meanes and remedy is only in the Roman Church Secondly to make tryall by their publike definition of the Church The Protestant Articles teach f Articul 19. The visible Church of Christ is a congregation of faithfull men in the which the pure worde of God is preached and the Sacraments be duly ministred according to Christes ordinance in all those thinges that of necessity are requisite to the same D. Couell g Couell defence of Hooker pag. 67. D. Field h Field p. 25. and D. Doue i D. Doue perswas pag. 23. be of the same minde But because the Puritans adde a third note I will cite D. Couell in this question his wordes be these k Couell against the plea of the Innoc. pag. 21. 56. There be but two essentiall notes of the Church the true preaching of the word and the right administration of the Sacraments to which later Protestants adde discipline the third note and of as much necessity And concerning doctrine and Sacraments they generally teach that they are truly taught and practised in the Church only in essentiall necessary requisite and fundamentall thinges so the l Articul 19. ninetenth Article before so M. Willet in these wordes m Willet Antilog pag. 43. To errours of doctrine which are not fundamentall euen the true Church of Christ is subject so D. Field n D. Field of the Church ordinarily in his bookes of the Church so D. Sutcliffe o Sutc. against D. Kellis p. 42 D. Doue p Doue persw pag. 31. 32. M. Wotton q Wottō p. 28 M. Middleton r Middleton pag. 201. Powell ſ Powel consideration c. and all the rest making Protestants and Puritans but one Church doe and must acknowledge Then concerning doctrine D. Doue writeth in these tearmes t Doue persw pag. 11. In fundamentall points of doctrine the greatest Papists in the world agree with vs. And in his vvhole Treatise neuer chargeth the Church of Rome either of Schisme or Heresie but laboureth to excuse themselues offering that we shall communicate with them without any change of opinion and yet he setteth downe this for an infallible proposition u page 5. This proposition is vndoubtedly true no Heretikes nor Schismatikes are to be communicated withall And he giueth vs security that by no possibility according to the former reason of generall Councels the Roman Church can be judged Hereticall his vvordes be these x page 14. No Church can be condemned and adjudged Hereticall by any priuate censure but it must be publike A generall Councell as he there expoundeth himselfe and is graunted before Touching Sacraments he alloweth y pag. 27. 28 that according to our definition of a