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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A26461	Advice to the confuter of Bellarmin with some considerations upon the antiquity of the Church of England.		1687 (1687)	Wing A653; ESTC R21463	8,401	13

Practice of the Ancients cannot be unlawful in the Church And may be done without any Alteration in Religion Besides this he has found another change in Religion and Faith viz. concerning the Papal Authority and here he pretends to shew by whom this was brought into the Church Victor says he p. 53. Began the Dance Zozimus followed it Celestine carried it on And in relation to this 5. I advise him to be cautious for the future how he goes so far back into the Primitive times to look for Authors of pretended Alterations in the Church of Rome Because it being Generally believ'd that the Church of Rome was Pure and Vncorrupt in those First Ages his Readers will be apt to think that what was then Practis'd and own'd by those Primitive Christians was no Error or Alteration but an Apostolical Truth and that he that comes above fifteen hundred years after and urges such a Charge against those times must have no small stock of confidence For how can Men possibly think otherwise when they consider that Pope Victor who is here endicted liv'd in the Second Century and was chosen to that See of Rome in the Year 203. which was above an hundred and twenty Years before the First General Council of Nice The Some Others he there mentions as Maintainers of the Papal Authority together with Zozimus and Celestine were all Bishops of Rome either before or in the time of the First Four General Councils Receiv'd and acknowledg'd here in England And can any Man think that if the Excercise of that Authority as maintain'd by those Popes was such an Alteration such an Innovation such a Tyranny as 't is now pretended that those First Councils of so many Learned and Orthodox Prelates would have taken no notice of it Is it not likely in those Assemblies there were some as Zealous for preventing Innovations some as Wise and Learned and Understanding in the Scriptures as our Church-Divines are now a days Or did there want in those Councils some Church of England Lay-men a Learned Tradesman some Quick-sighted-penetrating Barber or perchance a Lecturer or Confuter of Bellarmin to put those Fathers in mind of their Duty and tell 'em of the Alteration brought into the Church to shew 'em Victor beginning the Dance Zozimus following it and Celestine carrying it on Well these are very hard things and certainly he that believes these and afterwards pretends to boggle at Transubstantiation must needs be a Dissembler And the Absurdity of this pretence still grows the more Monstrous when we reflect that St. Irenaeus Optatus Augustin and other Antient Fathers urge the continu'd Succession of these very Bishops of Rome as an Argument of the True Orthodox Faith and Religion profess'd in that Church without the least mention or hint of any such pretended Alteration And Fulk Calvin with other Protestants say that these Fathers specially nam'd the Succession of Bishops in the Church of Rome because the Church of Rome continued all that time in the Doctrin of the Apostles as it was founded by them And yet now at last when it is to serve the turn these same Bishops must be branded as the Setters up and Promoters of Tyranny and Vsurpation But what better shift can those make who cannot justifie themselves but in condemning the Church of Rome The only way they have to look Fair is by Blackning her and what wonder they are so industrious in throwing dirt in her Face Besides this the Confuter has brought a Third Instance of Alteration in the Church of Rome viz. The creeping in of Images into the Church And in reference to this 6. I advise him to consider better for the future what Alterations he charges upon the Church of Rome especially not to mention such which if to the purpose would as certainly lay his own Church and cause upon their backs as he thinks he dos the Church of Rome For here among the Alterations relating to Images he says the Historical use of them came not into Churches till above 300 Years after Christ and the Rhetorical use of them viz. the stirring up Devotion not till 300 Years more and for this reason besides others he condemns the Church of Rome for Innovation in Religion And yet these very Practices are allow'd too by the Church of England as Mr. Montague confesses in his Appeal to Caesar c. 19. 20. 21. who likewise besides this Ib. approves the giving Respect and Reverence to them as was done by Pope Gregory in Rememoration and more effectual representment of the Prototypes Now if this use of Images leaves the Church of Rome without all Title to Antiquity what better has the Church of England If this be enough to un-church the Church of Rome dos it not at least make the Church of England Stagger But if these Practices and the like be enough with the Confuter to charge a Church with the Guilt of Innovation and Alteration in Religion I believe against the next Edition he may easily find more of the like Nature to add to his Margin viz. the wearing the Surplice the Cope and Lawn Sleeves the saying of Litanies and Common-Prayer with many others which were not all practic'd from the time of the Apostles but are of a more modern date These are the chief Remarks I observ'd in the perusal of this Paper if the Confuter will but consider them well I may expect his next to come out more exact at least as far as his cause will bear I have only one thing more to observe and that is his Conclusion in which after he has Confuted as he thinks all the claim of the Church of Rome to Antiquity he asserts the Church of England as establish'd by Law for the only True Antient Primitive Church And this is a thing I cannot tell possibly which way to make Sense of For how can this Church of England which started into the World only an hundred and fifty years ago be the True Antient Primitive Church of Christ which has been visibly extant in the World above these sixteen hundred years ever since Christ and his Apostles Where were her Pastors her Teachers her Prelates for a thousand years before Edward the Sixth Where were her Nine and Thirty Articles her Homilies her Common-Prayer Book her Test Don't every body know that Christ and his Apostles had never a hand in these they being all fram'd of late years the Where the When the By Whom and the Wherefore being as well known as the way to the Parliament-house T is true the Act in Confirmation of the First Common-Prayer Book says that this Book was compil'd by the Aid of the Holy Ghost But the Great Alterations and Additions that were made by the same Parliament in the same Kings Reign even in things of Weight and Moment are enough to make any Man Jealous and to suspect that that Holy Spirit which is Vnchangeable was not very particularly assistant in such a Changeable Matter and that if the Parties concern'd had seriously thought it had been effected by his Aid they had not so soon applied themselves to the mending it As to this Church therefore as far as concerns it's being Establish'd by Law the World knows when 't was done and that as Establish'd by Law it sometimes Pray'd for the Dead and as Establish'd by Law it dos not Pray for the Dead But where this Church was before 't was Establish'd by Law that is not so easie to tell We know that this Church separated from the whole Body of Christians and that it joyn'd to no Congregation of Believers or Church then in being if it did let it be shewn to which If it did not we must judge it as Modern and Novel as the Separation and if She be True that there was before that time no True Church of Christ in being throughout the whole Christian World which is as Absurd as well can be Let not the Confuter therefore boast too much of his Church's Antiquity 't is not enough to pretend that She believes the Creed but 't is to be prov'd that She believes it entirely and fully in that Sense as 't was taught by the Apostles and profess'd by the Primitive Church this she must shew as to those Four Articles He descended into Hell I believe The Holy Catholic Church The Communion of Saints The Forgiveness of Sins She must shew likewise that besides believing the Creed She Denies nothing of what was taught by the Apostles and was the Belief of the Pure and Primitive Church He that denies all the Sacraments may say he believes the Creed and yet he is not of the Church of Christ He that shou'd subscribe Negative Articles in the denial of Original Sin and the Necessity of God's Grace may boast he believes the Creed and yet is nothing better than a Pelagian He that will be a True Member of Christs Church must believe the Catholic Faith Wholly and Entirely as we profess in the Athanasian Creed Let him prove this of the Church of England and then he 'll shew her to be the Antient Church But alas When this Pure and Entire Belief is denied to the Church of Rome notwithstanding her Continu'd Succession of Bishops and Pastors from Christ's time to this and her determining nothing but in a General Assembly of those Prelates whose charge it was to do it Who can believe that this is found in the Church of England who awaking out of a thousand years sleep of Ignorance Errors and Idolatry as they own in a confusion and hurry of affairs jump'd into this Pure and Entire Faith of Christ in the Parliament-house by the help of a few Bishops Divines and Laymen Certainly if the Bishops of the whole Christian World err'd for above a thousand years notwithstanding their frequent Meetings and Conferences about Faith and Religion 't is very hard to believe that our Parliament did not Err especially when the Spirit that mov'd in those times of Reforming had so much of Lust Avarice Rapine Confusion and Sacriledge that 't is not likely it should protect from Error but rather lead them to it And if it did not let those believe it that can FINIS