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A13174 The subuersion of Robert Parsons his confused and worthlesse worke, entituled, A treatise of three conuersions of England from paganisme to Christian religion Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. 1606 (1606) STC 23469; ESTC S120773 105,946 186

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sacramentis_fw-la and_o these_o word_n sermo_n christi_fw-la qui_fw-la potuit_fw-la de_fw-fr nihilo_fw-la facere_fw-la quod_fw-la non_fw-la erat_fw-la etc._n etc._n to_o be_v in_o the_o same_o book_n whereas_o these_o word_n be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o book_n de_fw-fr ijs_fw-la qui_fw-la initiantur_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o the_o former_a be_v only_o find_v in_o one_o book_n of_o ambrose_n and_o neither_o make_v for_o his_o purpose_n pag._n 119._o there_o can_v be_v no_o doubt_n thereof_o say_v he_o speak_v of_o the_o popish_a doctrine_n of_o sacrament_n and_o why_o trow_v you_o forsooth_o because_o the_o conventicle_n of_o trent_n the_o master_n of_o sentence_n and_o thomas_n of_o aquine_n have_v teach_v it_o i_o will_v therefore_o pray_v all_o moderate_a man_n attentive_o to_o consider_v this_o fellow_n either_o madness_n or_o ignorance_n we_o do_v by_o argument_n out_o of_o scripture_n and_o father_n refute_v the_o impious_a doctrine_n of_o the_o conventicle_n of_o trent_n lombard_n and_o aquinas_n and_o yet_o he_o think_v it_o sufficient_a by_o the_o testimony_n of_o his_o own_o fellow_n most_o partial_o depose_v in_o their_o own_o cause_n to_o refute_v our_o argument_n ground_v upon_o scripture_n father_n and_o other_o authentical_a witness_n pag._n 120._o he_o say_v popish_a auricular_a confession_n be_v in_o itself_o repugnant_a to_o man_n sensual_a nature_n as_o if_o it_o be_v not_o as_o natural_a to_o confess_v a_o truth_n as_o to_o deny_v it_o this_o we_o find_v that_o nothing_o be_v more_o beneficial_a to_o massepriest_n or_o more_o please_v to_o man_n then_o to_o have_v absolution_n after_o confession_n and_o by_o this_o engine_n the_o pope_n do_v work_v many_o wonder_n to_o maintain_v his_o state_n pag._n 123._o he_o signify_v that_o irenaeus_n lib._n 5._o advers._n haeres_fw-la speak_v for_o the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o pope_n whereas_o the_o pope_n be_v not_o once_o mention_v in_o that_o place_n unless_o it_o be_v where_o he_o foretell_v that_o antichrist_n tyrannical_o shall_v take_v upon_o he_o as_o god_n ipse_fw-la se_fw-la tyrannico_fw-la more_fw-it say_v he_o conabitur_fw-la ostendere_fw-la deum_fw-la pag._n 133._o and_o otherwhere_o he_o suppose_v that_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o defend_v all_o the_o singular_a opinion_n of_o the_o magdeburgian_o but_o if_o we_o allege_v to_o papist_n the_o opinion_n of_o bellarmine_n baronius_n suarez_n stapleton_n or_o other_o popish_a proctor_n they_o think_v themselves_o not_o tie_v to_o their_o particular_a doctrine_n again_o he_o imagine_v because_o the_o magdeburgian_o mislike_v some_o of_o the_o father_n in_o some_o thing_n y_z t_o therefore_o we_o mislike_v they_o but_o neither_o do_v we_o in_o all_o thing_n hold_v w_o t_o the_o magd._n nor_o do_v they_o condemn_v y_z e_o father_n y_z t_o in_o some_o singular_a point_n dissentfrom_o they_o pag._n 146._o a_o treatise_n de_fw-fr bono_fw-mi pudicitiae_fw-la and_o a_o sermon_n de_fw-fr nativitate_fw-la christi_fw-la be_v allege_v under_o the_o name_n of_o cyprian_a and_o yet_o it_o be_v mere_a simplicity_n to_o suppose_v they_o to_o be_v cyprian_n pag._n 165._o for_o the_o title_n de_fw-fr regularibus_fw-la in_o sexto_fw-la he_o allege_v de_n reg._n iuris_fw-la lib._n 6._o mistake_a chalk_n for_o cheese_n and_o for_o the_o 25._o session_n of_o the_o conventicle_n of_o trent_n he_o cit_v 28._o whereas_o there_o be_v not_o so_o many_o in_o all_o pag._n 181._o he_o allege_v a_o oration_n of_o chrysostome_n contra_fw-la gentes_fw-la with_o this_o title_n quòd_fw-la unus_fw-la est_fw-la deus_fw-la whereas_o the_o true_a argument_n be_v quòd_fw-la christus_fw-la sit_fw-la deus_fw-la pag._n 239._o he_o talk_v of_o the_o burn_a of_o william_n tracie_n and_o yet_o by_o the_o act_n that_o concern_v he_o it_o appear_v he_o die_v quiet_o in_o his_o bed_n and_o that_o his_o religion_n be_v not_o discover_v but_o by_o his_o testament_n after_o his_o death_n pag._n 268._o he_o mention_v the_o bishop_n of_o cardiff_n whereas_o every_o