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A67844 A second friendly epistle to Mr. George Keith and the reformed Quakers who are now convinced that water baptism is an ordinance of Christ ... / by the reformed Quakers old friend Trepidantium Malleus. Trepidantium Malleus. 1700 (1700) Wing Y86; ESTC R34119 19,542 36

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Learning and of good Report Sound in our unhappy Controversies about Doctrinals and of untainted Loyalty think fit to appear I shall treat them with that Civility they deserve and I desire that Intimacy and dearness of Affection that hath been between us may continue if not it shall not be my fault I pray them follow if they appear my Arguments closely and trouble me not with Authors theirs or ours I care not what They say my Enquiry is what John says and what Men ought to say after him I hope in time to make it good at large if I must do it That John declares he plunged not because he said he Baptized them not Bapt But what I have done already is enough for once Now as Baptist Baptize and Baptism are derived from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Baptize what woful Work is here for Men to usurp those words to themselves when they belong to us Now say I they being Plungers Vulgariter as before must have their Denomination from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Bapto Then say I they are Bapts we are as Baptist they Bapt we Baptize they Plunge and have 〈◊〉 Bammism we Pour or Sprinkle and so have 〈◊〉 Baptism They that understand the Greek Tongue know I thus derive right in these new Names O my Dear VVord Baptist have I redeemed thee out of the hands of them that have led thee Captive VVelcom in thine own Place and Land I know some Plungers who are angry with their Brethren for calling themselves Baptist as ●f say they Pedobaptist were against Baptism or this Gospel-Ordinance A worse thing is it to call one another Brother on this evil Practice and not the best Men not so Some of the late Men are almost Sick of such Fooleries who are more judicious more humble more sober and I think every way better Men and Christions and fitter for human Conversation than the old Men. Some of them would lift up Eyes to Heaven if not Hands walking in the Streets who did this in the time of Christ They would where I lived in Prayer Preaching and Discourse say for Lord God Lard Gad c. Notes and Hourglasses Black Cloaths were Antichristian Things as well as our Baptism and Singing of Psalms and Ministers Maintenance Blessed be God many are much recovered Oh! that the Leprosy were throughly healed I pray them that are for that glorious Gosnel Institution of singing Psalms that mo●● resembles the eternal VVork in Heaven tha● any one Duty does on Earth to consider often and urge it to their Friends that call it Balla● Singing Whether Singing be not a Duty mentioned in the New Testament distinct from Prayer Whether it must not be performed in ou● way or some other but they do it in no other Therefore let them in this Hath God appointed an impracticable Duty to tell us the Church hath been in Babylon and therefore the Harp● must be hung up That Singing and Praying are all one in the N. Testament and yet afte● all say The time is look'd for when a Brother may be moved to stand forth and sing a Hymn● according to the ancient way are strange Asser●tions and Contradictions I know many well meaning Bapts do believe the old Men more heavenly than these because many of them talk'd oftner of Religion who perhaps could talk of little else and not tolerably well of that But to return from this Digression If it be ask'd Is not Plunging practicable o● their Principles Or what would I do if of their mind Be not angry seeing you ask the Question I grant I am not bound to plunge immediately with my own Hands it is enough if i● be done mediately by a certain Engin what do we call it where troublesom Persons are put who would willingly come out as soon as they can and I would move it up and down by a Ro●e How odious is it to see Men over-valuing things on Mistakes These Men have made as great an Idol of their Baptism as some Presbyterian Ministers have of the Assemblies Catechism that when they should-expound Scripture according to the Example of Ezra who read the Law and gave the Sense and is without all doubt the best way of Preaching better than Sermonizing it self They expound forsooth that Catechism when the Law and Prophets the Gospels and Epistles are never once expounded Expounding in Bp. Hall's way in his Paraphrase with some Observation after all in Willet's way and others would sooner be remembred when the Chapters were afterwards read alone or in the Family A suddain thought comes into my mind Mat. 3.11 He that cometh after me shall Baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with Fire Acts 2.17 That was pouring of the Spirit It is evident that Baptizing signifys Pouring or else the words are not true ANd now Mr Keith you see I have once more appeared for you I know most of you go to the Church of England some to the Anabaptist Love one another bless that God that hath pluck'd you all as Brands out of the Fire I know some of you despise the Anabaptist because of many of their ignorant Teachers I that know them declare First That I question not the Bishops have often ordained Men more Ignorant Secondly All Storys of the Anabaptists are not true If some hear a piece of Dunstical Divinity Oh! It is an Anabaptist presently when perhaps not so If it be ask'd How I came to be so favourable in this Controversy to them who have been so keen against two sorts of Men owning Infant Baptism and so my Brethren I declare I look on the Controversy about Water Baptism as nothing to that about Justification and Repentance I look on a Calvinistical Conformist and a Calvinistical Anabaptist more as Brethren than a Calvinistical and an Arminian Conformist are so or a Calvinistical and Arminian Anabaptist so I had rather any Man tore my Cloaths than my Body I declare I find not any such Ignorance among Anabaptist Preachers that are unlearned according to the Cry of it Mr. Benjamin Keach his late Book about the Change of the Sabbath was approved of by the Arch-bishop who desired to see him about it There are another sort of Men that make woful Work abroad I will divert you with a Comical Story I lately heard of two Men that set up for great Expositors of Scripture without Learning but I could never hear they were Anabaptists nor believe they were They applied themselves to a worthy Divine and told him of their Abilities this way and desired him to try them He asked them What Trades they were of One reply'd A Vintner the other A Taylor I hope said he I shall find you Men though not Scholars shall I not Yes Sir I pray Mr. Vintner when you broach a Butt of Wine what Bottles do you use My old ones I pray Mr. Taylor when you patch an old Garment do you not sometimes ●ut a new ●●●ce Yes Then said he I will prove by Scripture