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A08707 The ansvvere of the vicechancelour, the doctors, both the proctors, and other the heads of houses in the Vniversitie of Oxford (agreeable, vndoubtedly, to the ioint and vniforme opinion, of all the deanes and chapters, and all other the learned and obedient cleargy, in the Church of England.) To the humble petition of the ministers of the Church of England, desiring reformation of certaine ceremonies and abuses of the Church. University of Oxford. 1603 (1603) STC 19011; ESTC S113819 26,966 50

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defended in our Leiturgy as they deeme who are ready to make every thing p Zanch. conf cap 24 de Ec●l Milit. Aph. 19. Popery which they doe not fancy These are the weapons with which Bellarmine that broode are wont to wounde or rather falsely to reproach our faith and profession Good had it beene that these men had never beene able to write rather then to write thus to the scandall of Gods Church his sacred truth 10 Reverence done at the name of Iesus is no superstition but an outward signe of our inward subiection to his devine Maiesty and an apparant token of our devotion Why doe they not likewise finde fault with kneeling sighing weeping lifting vp of eies knocking of breastes holding vp of hands vnto heaven All which good men may vse in Gods service with great piety though Hypocrites doe otherwise 11 They are grosely ignorant if they know it not or wilfully malicious and turbulent if knowing it to be lawfull they yet oppugne the reading of the Apocriphall scriptures or writings in the Church Non ad confirmationem fidei sed ad reformationem or institutionem morum as the Auncient q Hiero. praef in Pro. Cypr. in Simb Pellic. praef in Apocr Hyper. Metho Theol l 1. c. 6. fathers speake and approue As also the Articles of Convocation the Prefaces before the Apocriphal bookes in the English Bibles doe directly shew adding that they giue light to the devine story 2. Concerning Church-Ministers 1 WEE hartely desire that able and sufficient men bee admitted into the Ministery That they preach diligently and that on the Sunday especially But who shall iudge of their sufficiency Or doeth not the sufficiēcy of Ministers Suscipere magis minus Were the Ministers of the Primitiue Church al of them able to preach Did not some of them preach the Gospell r Chrysost in 1. Cor. 1. Pet. Martyr in 1. Cor. 1 Gualt in 1. Cor. 1. Cal. in 1. Cor. 1. Bucer in Eph. 4. and other some reade the Scriptures administer the Sacraments Or hath not the vrging of that strange doctrine viz. That he is no Minister that cannot preach first forced men to take vppon them to expound Gods word that thereby haue brought the word of God and the sacred exercise of preaching into lamentable contempt through their absurde sencelesse and irreligious gl●sses and paraphrases and discourses whiles they have chosen rather so to doe then to be accounted Idol● sheaph●rds Dumbe dogges No Ministers and such like Secondly hath it not made the Brownists confidently to reproach vs that our ſ Barrowes bookes c Perpetual government of the Church pag. 339. Church is no Church our Sacraments no Sacraments our Prince and people Infidels as not being baptised at all our Christian Congregations prophane multitudes c. only because some in the Ministery could not or did not preach But in this pointe it would be considered especia ly first that it is not possible to have all Ministers men of worth til al Church-livings be very sufficient to maintaine men of worth Secondly that the way to invite men of best partes to take vppon them the Ministery is not to expose and subiect that calling to want and beggery which in the third part of this their complaint these men doe principally intend And lastly that howsoever these men doe please themselues in their extemporary gift yet many of them though in shew very audacious doe notwithstanding deserve for their grosse ignorance to bee blotted out of the number of preachers truely so called 2 Howe charitable these men are that would haue men t Har conf ex Helu Post De Minist ca. 18 Agnoscimus c. Vnde ne h●d●e quidē reijcimus simplicitatē quorūdā probā c. removed out of the Ministery because they cannot preach whereas some of them were intreated to take that function vpon them whē men more able could not be gotten and others in their yonger yeares have beene of more sufficiency then now their age sicknes or other infirmitie will permit them to be And how indicious that would have them to mainetaine preachers who for the most parte haue not wherewith for to mainetaine themselues wee leaue to the consideration of the wise How much better hath our Church devised to supply the defects of some men in some places of mean valew by other meanes As namely by the frequent reading of the Scriptures A matter more u Zanc. Conf. obs in cap. 15. Aph. 10.11 availeable vnto faith godlines then the Petitioners doe imagine and woulde be much more if it were not brought into contempt by their suggestions 2 By a most religious and excellent x B. Ridley to M ● Grindall then beyonde the seas Alas that brother Knox could not bear with our booke of cōmō praier c The reasons hee maketh against the Letany c. I do marvell howe hee can or dare a vouch thē c. forme of Common praier 3 By Sermons Homilies printed and appointed to be read both for the confirmation of the faith and for reformation of manners All which in a Church not new to be planted but now setled and well grounded in the profession of the truth are ordinarie effectual meanes to continue and increase thē in the true faith and feare of God Herevnto may be added the manifold provisions in our Church for sermons quarterly or more often in those Cures where the Incumbents cannot preach 3 That Non-residency be not permitted It is a matter of wise and sound deliberation first y The bounds of Parishes are not de iure divino what Non-residencie is for many men in our Church haue two parishes committed to their chardge which both will not make one living Againe manie haue but one parish vnder them which yet would require more then two or tenne men to speake at once to all the Congregation Secondly it is and long hath beene permitted by wise and godly Magistrates that haue given way to it by their positiue prudent lawes as necessary in some Cases in a few men and them generally and by intendment of the best deserts Thirdly that it is absolutely vnlawful in no z The answere to the 2. treatise of the Abstract sort to be suffered neither hath beene proved nor ever will by all the Puritanes in the Land Fourthly in what Congruity may he be counted an idle Non-resident that is alwaies present and taketh paines in some part and often in everie parte of his charge Fiftlie there are not more intollerable Non-residents in England then some of those that are either included in the Thousand afore mentioned or that favour this their attempt Especially if they shall bee measured by those places of Scripture which they are wont to alleage against Non-residents after the Texts be well examined Lastlie it is not possible as Church livings are now * To alter the precincts of parishes is a matter of