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in studiis literarum paterentur satis esse si legere scribere potuissent therefore he advis'd the Romans not to suffer their Children to go to School any longer than till they had learnt to write and read Calixtus the third an old decrepit foolish Spaniard of whom Cardinal Pontanus de magni c. 12. of his Election Quam fatue fatui fatuum creavere Calixtum How foolishly did the fools elect thee foolish Calixtus to the Papacy The poor Bishop Virgilius a German Mathematician was cited to Rome for an Heretick because he asserted the Antipodes and there as one hath it by the fiery zeal of Pope Zachary was committed to the Flames to shew how infallible the Roman Oracle is in condemning that which all do maintain and himself maintain'd the Antipodes in his life his footsteps being opposite to those of his meek and pious Ancestors Some Popes have been mere ignorant Lay-men at their Election Boniface the ninth a Neopolitan was so illiterate that he could neither write sing nor say a fit Person to be Universal Pastor and to instruct the ignorant nor understand matters discuss'd before him yet a notable Huckster for selling Livings who expos'd all to sale no Dolt could be long unpreferr'd if he came open-handed and could purchase with money One of the Benedicts was a Boy of ten years of age a Popeling not manumitted from the rigour of the ferula John the 13th an aged Stripling of nineteen Nay some Popes as Alphonsus de Castro intimates were such Learned Clerks ut penitus Grammaticam ignorarent that they had scarce read their Grammar What beardless Striplings ascend the Chair surely 't is not come to that yet but it is assure your self whatever is the matter Hence we may rationally infer that that Church must needs be well manag'd that hath such Reverend Guides and Learned Heads yet if you look about you you 'l find more in 't than you imagine 't is very probable these Successors of St. Peter did it to avoid the imputation of St. Paul Too much Learning hath made thee mad Take a spice of their Sobriety in Pope Benedict the 12th who was so great a Drinker would carouze so briskly and turn off his Cups so merrily that it seems he deserv'd this Epitaph which some good Fellow or other bestow'd on him the Latin's honest but homely Iste fuit vero Laicis mors vipera Clero Devius à vero Cupa repleta mero He was to Lay-men death in sooth To Clergy and Divines A Viper deviating from truth A mere Hogshead of Wines Well I 'll say this for him and a Fig for him he was a boon blade I 'll warrant you this is the only sociable Pope that we have met with in the whole crew hitherto Innocent the eighth a dull ignorant Sot who would take a Cup too much in the midst of his Affairs of greatest weight and importance and like a true Philosopher drink till his head run round with the World in vindication of the Copernican Systeme Their Conversation of yea yea and nay nay they observe very perfunctorily for the Laity and inferiour Clergy out-hector the whole World in blasphemous and customary Oaths nor are the Popes themselves free from this vain Vice that is neither sweetned with Pleasure nor season'd With Profit The Barons of England seeing that the Kingdom and Crown was become absolutely tributary to the Pope to their great grief and perplexity demanded some Priviledges of King John which he had engaged by Oath to grant to which he return'd no answer but referr'd them wholly to Pope Innocent the third as his Liege-Lord of whom he held his Crown Ambassadors were sent to Rome with Instructions and Demands to that purpose but his Holiness resented it so ill that in the close of his Speech he Swore with a furrow'd Brow by Saint Peter I cannot suffer this injury to be unpunished Boldly done Innocent 'T was more than St. Peter himself durst do had he then sate in the Chair And another time upon some occasion being moved to Passion he Swore by St. Peter and St. Paul both that neither of them might take exceptions of whom one wrote this Distich Pope Innocent the worst of all the rout If you would spell his name right put In out Robert Grosthead the honest Bishop of Lincoln opposed Pope Innocent and laught at his thundring Excommunications of whom it is reported that he came to him after his death and put his Holiness in mind by a blow with his Crosier of this Item Surge miser veni in Judicum Dei and soon after he died of a Plurisie Now for the Grand Palladium of Rome their so much boasted of and highly applauded infallibity which is infeof'd upon St. Peter's Chair tho the Pope be Heretick Idolater Incestuous a Necromancer Sodomite nay what not if he once claps his Apostolik Seat there he must necessarily be free from error Doctor John Funecius a Man of great Learning in the 10th Book of his Chronology reports that in the year 1332 Pope John the 22th fell into a great Heresie which was this That the Souls departed this life did not injoy the Beatifical Vision that is see God till the last day yet this Pope must be infallible tho guilty of so gross an Error There hapned a great difference between this Pope and the Franciscans he charging them with Heresie and they again to requite his kindness disowning him as a damnable Heretick and no Pope thus his Infallibility of Judgment is disclaimed by his own Crew and he himself un-Pop'd by them There were three blazing Comets conspicuous in the Roman Horizon at one and the same time that was in the 11th Century viz. Benedict the 9th Sylvester the third and Gregory the sixth and as one saith very well It were very strange if they should produce no alteration in the Ecclesiastical Body Three Popes cohabiting at Rome and as many more residing in three several Countries a Grand Schism for the space of forty years and Ambition and Corruption being more prevalent to advance to the Pontifical Dignity than a good Christian Life It must needs be a greater Prodigy than a Miracle-monger by the help of his forged Legends can pretend to that contrariety should meet and shake hands and absolute Contradictions prove a Pope infallible These were Anti-Popes in competition and opposition to the Papal Promotion nay thei●… own Authors are at difference yet a●… daggers drawn about his infallibility Se●… Gerson Occham Alimain Ecchins Hosins Pighins and Waldensis Nay the prettiest humour of all is that they should impose upon us so much as to force us to believe that when two Popes contradict each other yet they are both infallible or if they enjoyn the perusal of different Bibles we must use neither Pope Vrban the 8th liv'd the longest and died the richest of all the Popes for he sat in the Chair twenty years a rare thing for they usually kick up their
of their Mortality amidst their glorious Exaltations CHAP. II. I. Of the place assigned her among the Popes and II. Of Pope Leo the IX's Letter to the Patriarch of Constantinople III. When and by whom this Fable was publish'd c. IV. The occasion of its Invention V. The little Credit it hath with the most Learned Adversaries of the Catholick Church HAving thus discovered a number of manifest Untruths Improbabilities Contrarities and Ridiculosities in the former part of this Story let us see if they can acquit themselves any better in the latter I. First then as to the place these Historians allot her among the Popes I find as grand a disagreement therein as in any other Passages before for some modern Authors place her between Pope Leo the IV. and Benedict the III. whereas Anastasius Bibliothecarius and Ado of Vienna occular Testimonies say expresly that after Leo the IV. there was but only fifteen days of vacancy and Benedict the III. was immediately chose Pope to which all of that Age agree that wrote the Pontifical History viz. Regino Hermanus contractus Lambertus Otho Frisingus Abbot of Versperg Joannes de Cremana and others But her Historians and Advocates say some of them that she held the Chair a Year and eight Months others but four Months others a Year and an half and others two Years one Month and four Days Fine Concordance again is it not Then some will have her succeed Leo the V. others Martin the I. and some Nicholas the I. some call her John the VII others Jobn VIII But 't is most certain that John the VII was a Grecian and was Pope nineteen Years before this pretended one and John the VIII was a Roman and presided twenty Years after and held the Seat ten Years so consequently these two Johns were neither English-men not Germans II. Then here occurs a very remarkable thing to be seriously considered wherein may farther appear the improbability of this Story viz. that about a hundred Years after the pretended Being of this Pope Joan Pope Leo the IX writing to Michael then Patriarch of Constantinople about the Precedency of the Church of Rome to abate his Pride reproaches him which a Woman and an Eunuch's he means Nicbolas and Ignatius holding the Patriarchal Seat of Constantinople the which certainly he durst not have done if the Church of Rome had been tainted with the same Ignominy and without all doubt the Grecians would have been very glad to have had such an opportunity wherewith to have censur'd the Western Churches if there had been the least appearance of Truth in the Story III. And here we may easily perceive another very evident sign of the falsity of this Story viz. in that all the Authors that lived in this Pope Joan's time and for 400 years after make not the least mention of any such Person for the first that published this Fable was one Martinus Polanus who wrote in the year 1320 and this Pope Joan lived in the year 870. And indeed neither did they nor most of those that wrote after them relate it as for a certain truth but speak of it rather as a Fable all of them reporting it with uncertainty and as a mere common Bruit IV. Then as to what gave the occasion of the invention of this Story I would have the Reader to consider that any one that shall impartially and judiciously read the Lives of the Popes even from St. Peter shall certainly find that there were three sorts of them in general One sort of them were certainly very eminent for their Sanctity and integrity of living but had not that singular Art or Prudence of Managing or Administring the Affairs of this World that is they were not so well acquainted with the Temporal Concerns of the World. Another sort of them there were who tho' they were their Crafts-masters in these Mundane Affairs and knew excellent well the manner and method of ruling these Temporal things with all Prudence and Justice yet these were not endued with so singular a Sanctity of Life as they should be but on the contrary were rather addicted to their disordinate and irregular Affections and Pleasures and had but little Zeal for the things of the Spirit But then there have been certainly a third sort that took something af the best from both and so Govern'd both with Prudence and Holiness Of this worst and middle sort then was Pope John the Twelfth who leading indeed a kind of Debauch'd Life and permitting himself to be Govern'd by a Debauch'd Woman whose Name was JOAN gave the People at that Time occasion to say That it was not the Pope but the Papiss that Govern'd all things V. Lastly to let you see the folly of this Fable I shall shew you what Credit it hath with the most learned of the Church of Rome's Adversaries and plainly prove that 't is worse than an old Wives Tale by their taking this Story for a meer Fable First then Mr. Blondel a French Minister and one of that account and esteem in Paris that he was chosen above all to Answer Cardinal Peron's learned Book this Mr. Blondel I say hath written a Book in French whis was Printed at Amsterdam 1647. on purpose to shew that this Story of a She Pope call'd Joan was a mere Fable And that we may not think that Blondel alone of all Protestant Ministers held this for a Fable Monsieur Seravius a great Calvinist and Councellor of the Parliament of Paris in a Letter of his to Salmasius having mention'd to him this Book of Blondel's adds these words Noli autem credere c. don't believe says he that Blondel was either the first or only Man of our Persuasion that was of this Opinion altho' perhaps no Man hath handled this Matter with more forceable Arguments for there have been famous Divines of the Reformed Religion of the same Opinion and there are yet living in this City Men famous for Fidelity and Piety who heard this History vulgarly credited accounted fabulous from Chamerius's own mouth I my self lately saw Letters of yours and my very good Friend the Learned Peter du Moulin wherein he affirm'd that he always believ'd the same I have Letters by me also of Bochart's wherein he averrs that whatsoever was hitherto Publish'd in favour of this Affair to the World was meerly Vain and Fictitious This Mounsieur Seravius wrote in a private Letter tho' his Son after his Death publish'd and printed it to a Friend of the same persuasion And thus you may plainly see how this Fable tho highly maintain'd by the Adversaries of the Catholick Church thus Expir'd at last as all Lies do and was carryed to its Grave upon the Shoulders of Four the most Famous French Ministers viz. Blondel Chamier du Moulin and Bochart The Life of Pope Joan as 't is written by B. Platina is as follows JOHN the VIII says he was of English Extraction but born at Mentz and is said to have