obey such particular Scriptures as he bringeth to their minds and applyeth and wresteth for his owne ends The Devill never bringeth Scriptures but to deceive thereby alwayes wresting them from their genuine sense and proper meanings as James Naylor might see if he were not blinde or had not sould himselfe for the Devills service And againe whereas he saith that one may have the letter of Scripture and not have the word and that the letter without the Spirit is dead page 4. I answer as before that the letter of the Scripture is the word of God though it is not Christ And that the letter of the Scripture is no where in Scripture called a dead letter but it is words of spirit and life to them that beleeve and receive them in love nor is the Spirit of God at any time withdrawne from his owne words nor doe they returne voyde but alwayes accomplish what he pleaseth and doe that for which he sent them And it is not the Resisting of his Word or Spirit nor both joyntly that can disparage the validitie thereof whether it be set home by the finger of his Spirit or that mens hardned hearts still remaine obdurate Nor will James Naylors Directorie to a light within be effectuall to any for the saving of their soules that doe not beleeve the Scriptures and receive them in love but have pleasure in unrighteousnesse but will rather indanger them to be deluded with a lying spirit and acted by it in stead of the Spirit of God and to be carried blind-fold to their greater sinne and condemnation And therefore what is that to the matter though Satan have the Scripture and have no good by it there being no promise therein for him or what if James Naylor hath it and finde no life in it but a meere dead letter in his apprehension in regard hee wresteth it and doth not love it and therefore cannot afford it so much as a good word having an enmitie against it not caring much if it were all burnt as it is very likely because it condemneth him in something or other that he loveth or desireth and will not part with in obedience thereunto but will rather runne the hazzard of loosing all or he will disparage and make voyde the Scripture that hath touched him Nay hee seemeth to mee rather to preferre his owne words and his owne writings above any in Scripture commending his owne as words that proceed immediately from the eternall Spirit full of life and power but the Scriptures carnall and dead and vaine yea vaine hee accounteth them to such who have not the Spirit already Though he cannot but know they are appointed of God as the cheife meanes for ministration of the Spirit and of life and power for what life and power can be communicated or administred to any man by ministration of men but from Scripture-grounds and those pretious promises therein contained through Christ Jesus in whom all the promises are yea and Amen and through whom onely wee have interest in them being all finners and so excluded from life as well as the Devill were it not for him that hath merited our salvation And therefore what a devillish doctrine is this to dehort all men from reading the Scriptures till they first obtaine the Spirit of God What other end can this doctrine aime at but to keepe them still under a spirit of bondage as sure there are none that are set free and have the spirit of life in them through the hearing of faith preached That will owne this doctrine to be of God but a doctrine of Devills And againe hee telleth mee that hee might shew my blindnesse in all other Scriptures that I quote were it needfull as instance that 2 Pet. 1.19 Wee have a more sure word of prophesie to which you doe well to take heed as to a light that shines in a darke place till the day dawne and the day-starre arise in your hearts Now it is true I quoted this Scripture as one amongst the rest against his assertion in his answers to Baxter to wit that the Scripture houlds out but one light and word the which I there denyed and proved it first from Mat. 5.14 16. To wit Yee are the light of the world and John 5.35 that John was a burning and a shining light and Psal 119.130 The entrance of thy words giveth light it giveth understanding unto the simple and then this of Peter Upon which I say that I suppose James Naylor will not acknowledge that he ever received any light from that sure word of prophesie as from a light shining in a darke place but onely some little braine knowledge of the bare letter else hee would not so reproach and disparage those that doe take heed to the sure word of prophesie till they be inlightned thereby in what they were darke and did not understand Now to all that I say in these words hee answereth not at all by way of contradiction but doth as much as confesse that hee was mistaken nor can hee possibly make that his assertion good against these Scriptures But hee heere undertakes to shew my blindnesse in quoting this Scripture to this purpose before-named to wit And this saith he you would have to be the letter of the old Prophets which shines in a darke place And so saith hee by thy doctrine the letter of the old Testament and in a darke place too is a surer word then what Peter heard God himselfe speake and were eye witnesses of his Majestie And this is all thou knowest of the spirit of prophesie the testimony of Jesus or the Scriptures that declare it To which I answer that I appeale to the Judgements and Consciences of all that know any thing of the spirit of prophesie or the testimonie of Jesus or the Scriptures that declare it Whether the Apostle doth not meane it of the old Prophesies of the old Testament when he thus speaketh yea I say the letter hee meant when hee so adviseth them and not the spirit onely of which the letter declares for the letter declares of the spirit and the spirit is the author and opener of the letter and that by the letter as an instrumentall meanes comparing Scripture with Scripture and spirituall things with spirituall things The Prophet Daniel himselfe understood by booke that the time of their captivitie was accomplished And James the Apostle produced the words of the Prophet Amos to Resolve that great doubt and difference amongst them Act. 15.15 To wit And to this agree the words of the Prophet as it is written c. Observe as it is written and so he Recites the very written letter for he knew by the letter what the words of the Prophet were because they were written And how else should wee have knowne the words of the Prophets if they had not been written and wee had seene or heard them read or recited those Prophets themselves being dead long since were they not written
shew any the least Scripture that so much as tendeth to such a doctrine nor his spirit neither But these evading shifting reviling answers in stead of rationall and proper answers doe clearely hould forth his conviction and obstinance against the light it selfe concerning this maine point so much controverted I shall therefore follow him to some other point to wit hee telleth mee pag. 15. that I aske in what part of Scripture is the Gospell called the letter or the preaching of faith the preaching of the letter I say thou shouldst aske thy selfe this question who would make the letter the Gospell and the preaching of faith litterall which I say are both spirituall and spiritually preached And I aske thee againe where did ever I call the Gospell letter or the preaching of faith letter and so take thy challenge backe againe To which I answer that I tould him that I finde it in a little booke written by Thomas Polard in answer to Richard Farnworth that they call the Scriptures carnall and a dead letter and say it will never bring a man to the knowledge of God but that all that is gotten from the Scripture is but braine knowledge And that I finde in a booke of Naylors against Thomas Moore how hee answereth this to wit being asked by Moore whether the writing of the Prophets and Apostles be a dead letter hee answereth that without the Spirit it is see in my booke pag. 4th And it is cleare in the 12 page of this his answer where hee saith speaking of the Devill that hee would keepe in the letter but from the spirit of which the letter declares And saith also to us and the rest of the world you have long counted the Scriptures to be the word of God but the Devills kingdome is standing still in the heart and so must be till there be account of the word that is nearer then the letter From all which expressions it is cleare that that which wee call the Scriptures hee calleth the letter and a dead letter Now wee call the contents of the Bible both the old and new Testament the holy Scriptures and so hee will not deny but they are Now these Scriptures hee owneth but as carnall and a dead letter wee call them spirituall and the words of God Therefore hee calleth all the Scriptures the letter And the Gospell being contained in the Scriptures which is glad tydings and good newes that shall be to all people the which was therefore called the Gospell And it was written for our learning that wee through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope the which Gospell was also preached from the beginning yea even to Adam and Eve that they might have hope and comfort thereby to wit that the seede of the woman should breake the Serpents head And wee shall not deny that the Gospell is spirituall and so is the Law also But wee must not deny but both this Law and Gospell are written for our learning And if they be written it must needs be legible to us or it will not serve for our learning if wee want it for the present and have it not written in our hearts for if faith come by hearing and so by reading as so it doth sometimes then it entereth first by the eare to wit by hearing or else by the eye to wit by reading And if wee cannot reade what is written in the hearts of one another not being omnitient but by hearing them speake or seeing them act or reading an expresse of their minds in writing how can wee learne what is the minde and will of the Lord from that which is written if it be not legible and that in letters Suppose us as ignorant for the present not having either Law or Gospell as yet in our hearts how shall wee beleeve in him in whom wee have not heard Implying that it is not a thing to be expected that all should have it by Immediate inspiration but by the hearing of it preached which is the ordinarie meanes whereby the Lord conveyeth it to the soule as hath been shewed before and that from Scripture grounds Now that which hee calls the letter wee call the Scripture and so it is for it was written and is therefore Scripture because written yet wee dare not call it a dead letter but lively Oracles a spirituall word a word in which there is spirit and life to such as beleeve and receive them in love yea wee doe call the Scripture the word of God And doe but aske James Naylor what else that is which is called by the Apostle the sword of the Spirit which is the word of God If it be not the Scripture yea that which is written in the Bible which hee calleth the letter see Eph. 6.17 Aske him I say whether this sword of the spirit which the Apostle calleth the word of God be meant of Christ who is the essentiall word and who is the spirit or it be meant of the Scriptures which are the expresse word of God and so as a sword or weapon in the hand of the spirit both defensive and offensive against our adversaries upon all occations yea Christ himselfe used it against the Devill when hee tempted him and against the Scribes and Pharisees and that as the best and fittest weapon to incounter them with But if this sword of the spirit be not the spirit it selfe but the sword or instrument in the hand of the spirit and yet is called the word of God Then it is not blasphemy but good Scripture language to call the Scripture the word of God but the blasphemy is theires who call it carnall and a dead letter as hath more largely been shewed before in this Treatise Now in these expressions of James Naylor hee denyeth to call any thing Gospell but the spirit or any thing Scripture but the spirit or any thing the word of God but the spirit And so the Scripture with him and the glad tidings of the Gospell contained therein must of necessitie either be called the spirit and so also God or but a dead letter and not the word of God and so not the sword of the spirit wherein how clearely contradicteth himselfe and his owne confessions as hath been shewed before and also the plaine expresse Scripture as any Rationall man may easily perceive that will but reade and consider so that his conviction is cleare from his owne confessions concerning these two maine points of his doctrine which I may well call the maine substance of that Gospell which hee preacheth and of all his bookes which hee writeth namely to teach us to eye that spirit and word and light within and desert the Scriptures and the teachings of men as a dead and vaine and fruitlesse meanes for leading into and guiding in all the wayes of God c. The which Gospell I now leave to the Judgements of all that are truely Judicious whether it be not another Gospell then the Gospell of
spirit Ans I say it is true for that is but done to delude the simple through hypocrisie to make their lyes more feizible as so the Ministers of Sathan are sometimes transformed as if they were Ministers of Righteousnesse as hath been shewed before and so are they 9. That our directing to observe the light in the Conscience is nothing else but to advise them to obey Sathan Ans I say true in such cases wherein I instanced to wit to them in whom hee Ruleth it is no better but so 10. That wee direct people to eye and observe that lying spirit that is in them Ans So they doe by such directions to all those whom they so direct in whom hee raigneth 11. That Naylors doctrine is quite contrarie that any that lacke wisdome should aske it of God Ans I say in my booke Just so and shew my Reasons for it because I finde it not in any of his bookes But onely a direction to seeke it within before they have it And if they have it not already then they want it and ought to aske it of God and not to seeke it where it is wanting and not to be found but it is a grosse directorie so to advise them as so I call it in my booke 12. That Sathan hath got a Commission to be a lying spirit in my mouth Ans Very true and if hee call this a lye hee must father all these lyes himselfe and so be a Devill and the father of lyes for it is not God hee cannot lye 13. That James Naylor is sent with strong delusions to some that they might beleeve a lye Ans True and that to very many of those that beleeved not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousnesse as so I say it againe and shewed reasons for it in my booke 14. That I would needs be accounted some great Prophet and to have some extraordinary revelations that no man else had knowne before and yet teacheth us nothing except lyes c. Ans I say it is true hee that teacheth us nothing except lyes but what wee knew before now this except lyes hee leaveth out and putteth in c. as was usuall in the Bishops times when they were ashamed to declare all 15. That James Nayor utterly denyeth the manhood of Christ Ans So hee doth by cleare consequence from his doctrine as is prooved in the Treatise for that hee blameth us for owning a Christ without and at a distance to wit his body being in heaven as well as hee is present with us in spirit 16. That I blame men for praising and singing of Psalmes in spirit unto God as the Apostles did Ans In spirit and with the mouth and voyce hee doth calling them Devills Rymes most wickedly and prophanely as is shewed but not answered yet 17. That I often produce the non-proficiency of the people as a ground of disparagement to the word it selfe Ans So hee doth as a disparagement to the Scripture it selfe which I call the expresse word of God and as a disparagement to the teachings of men also which hee cannot deny and therefore this is his lye 18. That James Naylor counteth himselfe the highest and all below him either dwarffes or nothing like Christians Ans And this is true for Reasons therein shewed but is his Recitall hee leaveth out those words to wit either like dwarffes and also the reasons which hee cannot answer 19. That I Reproach and disparage those that take heede to the sure word of prophesie Ans True for so hee doth all that take heede to the Scriptures which the Apostle meant when hee so called it 20. That how the word was made flesh James Naylor understandeth not Ans True I said so let him proove the contrary by shewing it if hee can 21. That James Naylors Directorie is quite contradictorie to the directorie of Scripture Ans True and it is so prooved in the booke 22 That I Naylor requireth Scripture grounds for what hee asserteth which hee never yet gave Ans It is I that require Scripture grounds of him for what hee asserteth the which hee hath not yet nor cannot give and that maketh him to put it in the quite contrary sence as I suppose least the simple should discerne him 23. That wee have no faith in God but in a lying spirit within Ans It really appeares that spirit within them is a lying spirit and yet in that they beleeve but the Spirit of God is not a lying spirit therefore their faith is not in God 24. That wee would make the blood of Christ of none effect Ans It is true your doctrine doth so what in your lyeth as it is prooved in the Treatise and not yet answered 25. That our spirit teacheth us not to put off our hatts when wee pray Ans I was so informed by those that have seene you pray that your practise is so and then I suppose your spirit so teacheth you so that if it be not true yet it not my lye because I was so informed Thus his twenty-five lyes that hee would father upon mee I Returne backe to himselfe in this short dresse And shall passe over his language hee giveth mee as grounded hence because it wanteth footing and come to his last maine charge And lastly saith hee thou goes on to plead for a deale more of thy Masters stuffe wherewithall hee houlds up his kingdome of pride and partialitie and such like stuffe as none ever pleaded for but the Devill and his Ministers who is afraid that his kingdowne should goe downe And thou sayes Sathan tells us that it is our dutie to observe the language held forth in Scripture and the example of Christ and his Apostles and upon paine of damnation not to varie from it And this thou brings to plead against speaking the word thou to a particular I answer If it be laid upon us as an injunction and that upon paine of damnation And no such injunction to be found in Scripture it must needs be of Sathan But James Naylor knoweth there is no such Injunction upon that penaltie in all the Scripture as to threaten damnation for using the custome of the Countrie wherein there is no sinne though they varie from the customes in old time As so If James Naylor should tell mee that in Regard Christ wore a coate without seame therefore I may not weare any but such and that upon paine of damnation I should also say that it came from the Devill nor doe I thinke that James will teach the Quakers to follow the example of Christ in this thing But hee saith hast thou been all along crying up Scriptures in thy booke for a Rule and is now the language of it and the examples of Christ and his Apostles therein become a perswasion of Sathan with thee hast thou not heere shewed what broode thou art one who preferres the Devills pride and the worlds fashions before the examples of Christ and his Apostles and would
yet I thought it not proper to mee in regard I am not going to betray him nor did not intend it in my Treatise but onely to discover him and his false doctrines and pernicious wayes nor did offer him either a kisse or any thing else that shewed any love or respect to his wayes And therefore in this sence I disowne it and if hee meane it otherwise the Rest of his booke maketh it a lye For then he beginneth in his old manner and telleth mee how I boast of my booke and what honour I seeke in owning what hath been done allready against a poore despised scorned helplesse people and that there is a lamentation for us especially though wee see it not and that wee will see it in the end and telleth us this is not the way to honour against whom we are joyning yet some of us will not be warned To which I answer that I did commend my Treatise but not my selfe and that to ingage the reading of it And as for seeking of honour to my selfe I am not conscious to my selfe of any such thing and know by that James Naylor is guided by a lying spirit which is not of God for the Spirit of God would never have taught him any such false furmises and such absolute lyes Wherein he goeth on telling mee that I said in my last the Spirit of God taught mee to let other men praise me and not my owne mouth strangers and not my owne lipps but saith he thou hast forgot that teaching or rather never knew it to which I answer That my words are these to wit that through the grace of God here are diverse arguments and doctrines for provoking to good works which have never yet that I know off been published before either by word or writing from Gospel foundations but in this Treatise And this I affirme againe that it is a truth let James Naylor or any man else produce any thing to the contrary if they can But this is all nothing in commendations or praising of my selfe but of the Treatise onely and that not as mine but through the grace of God and therefore this may be sett amongst the Rest of his manifest lyes Againe saith he in thy booke there is foure things which thou wouldest stand for and proove if thou couldest First That the Letter is the Word Secondly Against the light of Christ being sufficient Thirdly A large maintenance for those thou calls Ministers Fourthly Creature-Worships and nationall customes thou would binde us too To the first I answer as I did then that if he meane by the letter any part of Scripture I did assert and doe so againe and did prove it to be the word of God as so if he meane it as he hath printed his answer for page 3. he saith that I goe on to prove that there are many words of God and that what God hath spoken is his word and what Christ hath spoken is the word of God and that the Scriptures given by inspiration of God are words of God and that every word of God is pure All which he saith are things never by James Naylor denyed Now hee having confessed too all these assertions first that there are many words of God and that what God hath spoken is his word c. And yet immediately after contradicting himselfe he saith And yet I say the word is but one which is the word whether spoken or not spoken If this be not a cleare contradiction to confesse first that there are many words of God and that all Scripture given by inspiration of God are words of God and yet deny that there is any word of God but one Sure he imagineth that none but simple deluded Quakers will reade his assertions who thinking him infallible can beleeve any thing that he asserteth as Papists doe the Pope For suppose one should aske him whether the word he speaketh of is God yea or no I suppose he would answer yea he is God for Christ is the Word and Christ is God Now he hath confessed that there are many words of God and such as are so called in Scripture But is every word in Scripture that is called the word of God and that properly because God hath spoken it I say is it God because it is the word of God How many Gods would James Naylor reckon for many words of God he hath owned and if every such word of God is God there must needs be more Gods then one though with us there is no God but one nor did we ever say that the Scripture is God but the words and word of God and that he here confesseth that all Scripture given by inspiration of God is the words and word of God as is proved in my Treatise and here confessed by him But if all Scriptures are the words of God and yet he affirmeth the word is but one and that word is Christ Then by his Logicke it must needs follow that there is no Christ but the Scriptures nor any God but the Scriptures nor any word of God but the Scriptures and so hee denyeth the eternall essentiall word which is Christ or else maketh the Scriptures to be hee and so confoundeth himselfe and his maine assertion to wit that the Scripture is not the word of God against which assertion is all our quarrell For we doe not nor never did deny that Christ onely is the essentiall word and not the Scripture and this essentiall word is God yet we say as so he confesseth that the Scripture is also the word of God and is properly so called in Scripture in regard it is spoken by his inspiration And that it is not blasphemy to call the Scripture the word of God but the blasphemy is theirs that so assert Nor can all his wicked evasions helpe him to evade the dint of these arguments As when he further saith that a man may have all the letter either in his hand or in his braine and yet have not the word I answer suppose wee graunt it that a man may have all the Scripture in his hand and yet not have Christ which is the essentiall word yet he cannot have the Bible in his hand but he hath the Scripture and that Scripture is the expresse word of God and properly so called and that in Scripture and this is confessed also by him for there is no writings which wee call Scriptures but in the Bible and all those Scriptures are given by inspiration of God and all Scriptures that are given by inspiration of God he hath acknowledged to be the words of God and it is not properly called Scripture that is not written And that which was written aforetime was written for our learning that wee through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope And woe unto such as cannot finde comfort in them for strengthning of their hope for there is little hope of such men but how much lesse hope is there of such
should blame him for producing that Scripture Rom. 10.8 11. That I bring not one Scripture that saith the letter is the word 12. That I set my selfe in the stead of Christ These last five are in pag. 2. 13. Hee calleth mee an exalted wretch 14. That I confound my selfe in what I would disproove the truth these pag. 3. 15. That hee denyed but that the Scriptures given by Inspiration of God are words of God 16. That the Jewes had all the Scripture in their hand or in their braine and yet had not the word 17. That I deny the letter it selfe and the letter denyes mee 18. That I bring those Scriptures Rom. 7. to wit the Law is spirituall and Prov. 3.1 to oppose the new Covenant and the Law in the heart these pag. 4. 19. That all the Scriptures I bring turne against mee and for the truth 20. That I steale Scripture words out of Scripture to plead for pride and vaine-glory and creature worships and an Idoll Ministrie contrary to Scripture set up in will and inventions of men in my booke these pag. 5. 21. That of the words of God there is a famine and greatest amongst such as trade with the letter 22. That I increase in mischiefe and know not the plant of Gods renowne how it growes nor what the increase of God is 23. That they know what it is to grow in Christ and that Christ is in them these pag. 7. 24. That I bring Scriptures to proove the light of Christ Insufficient pag. 8. 25. That mine eye was so much abroad to discover errours in James Naylor till I could not see mine owne 26. That I have drunke deeply of the Cup full of abominations and errours from the mother of confusions 27. That the meanes I am pleading for is come through so many severall hands till it have lost both life and power these pag. 9. 28. That I love mine iniquities and am pleading for them pride Imperfection and fulse worships pag. 10. 29. That I am hee who turnes the Scriptures as a nose of wax to plead for such things as the Scripture condemnes 30. That as a meanes to turne people to that light within James Naylor is 31. That I am one of those people that are of no understanding therefore hee that made mee will have no mercy on mee 32. That I have got the Serpents subtiltie to thrust in my words to abuse the Scriptures pag. 11. 33. That I shall one day know that I have blasphemed against the spirit and gift of God pag. 12. 34. That now wee have got a little peace wee are turning backe to Rome 35. That wee pleade against the Spirit pag. 13. 36. That I am hee who am leading forth from the kingdome of God within 37. That the Ranters are my brethren all of one kingdome in the flesh and the lusts thereof pag. 14. 38. That by reviling the workes of Righteousnesse and teachings of the Spirit and spirituall light I have made it odious for any man to follow as the Devill himselfe 39. That my third thing is for my maintenance and for my Ministers 40. That I put in the poore with the Ministers that I might seeme charitable like as Judas did pag. 15. 41. That I have sett a stint for Ministers maintenance and for the poore though before I denyed it pag. 16. 42. That accounting such spirituall fathers who have not begotten us is to account of a lye and that I teach them to it pag. 20. 43. That my booke hath a heape of confusion in it fitt for the fire 44. That I preferre the Devills pride and the worlds fashions before the example of Christ and his Apostles 45. That such as I preferre the words of pride before the words of Christ 46. That I belye the Spirit of God for the Spirit of God forbids bowing unto men and putting off the hatt 47. That wee seeke honour of men and grudge if wee have it not 48. That the demeanour of Christ and his Saints is become a Reproach and not manners and courtesie to give us content 49. That wee are seeking for that honour which God is laying in the dust 50. That there is much more such stuffe in my booke not worth reading nor answering which rises out of the corruption of mine owne heart and busie minde and that Ishmaell-like my hand is against every man and eyes abroad but cannot see mine owne folly but am boasting of it pag. 27. 51. That wee have found out so many words in our inventions and so many lights and all without us that wee are become heart-blinde 52. That the Lord God and the Lambe will they worship for ever FINIS