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A04479 A dyaloge describing the originall grou[n]d of these Lutheran faccyons, and many of theyr abusys, compyled by syr wyllyam Barlow chanon; Dyaloge descrybyng the orygynall ground of these Lutheran faccyons, and many of theyr abusys. Barlow, William, d. 1568. 1531 (1531) STC 1461; ESTC S110642 40,261 182

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Oecolampadyanes had permittyd theyr clyentes to do what they lusted wythout any restraynte they had ben quite oute of auctorite ere this tyme a daye ●pon whych consideracyon yt was forfendyd in all cyties and iurisdyccyones of the Lutheranes that no mā shuld bye or sell other resceyue any booke or treatise compyled by the Oecolampadyanes And they in lyke maner made actes to suppresse the Anabaptystes fearyng left theyr sectes shuld vaynquesshe they re faccyon N. yf the Anabaptystes haue so many sectes as ye recyte I praye yowe to declare some of them ☞ W. At your instaunce I shall gladly There be some whych hold opynyon that all deuylles dānyd sowles shall be sauyd at the daye of dome Some of them persuade that the serpent whyche dysceyued Eue was Christ. Some of thē zraunt to euery man and woman two soules Some affyrme lecherye to be no synne the one maye vse a nother mānes wyfe withoute offence Some take apon them to be sooth sayers and prophetes of wōderfull thynges to come haue prophecyed the daye of iudgement to be at hāde some with in thre monethes some wyth in one moneth some wythin vi dayes Some of thē bothe men and women at they re congregacyones for a mysterye shew them selfes naked affyrmyng that they be in the state of innocencye Also some hold that no mā ought to be punysshed or suffere execucyon for any cryme or trespace be yt neuer so horryble wherof I will shew yow an exāple done mater in dede In Switzerland a lytle frō saynt Gall at a place namyd Cella Abbatis one of these anabaptystes slew hys owne brother smote of his heade when he was demaūdyd why he dyd so this was hys answer It was the wyll of the father that I shuld do yt and so he escaped wythout punysshement For though they be gredy īreprouīg other mēnes fawtes makynge haynous exclamacyones agaynst thē yet ponder they full lytle the correccyon of theyr owne enormityes callynge them infyrmyteis and weaknes of the flesshe be they neuer so abhomynable N. well yet me thynketh by your sayenge here before that many of them leade a more cōmēdable life in face of the world than the comone sorte of the Lutheranes or Oecolāpadianes ☞ W. ye verely vnto the outwarde ostentacyon But there cōmeth greater incouenyence by theym whych haue suche a shadowe of holy lyuyng than by the other And there is nothyng more peryllous in seducynge the symple than a payntyd pretence of an holye lyfe where as they swerue ones frō the ryght fayth and catholyke belefe whyche ys easye to be proued by euydent examples as well of the olde heretykes as of oure newe captaynes of the moste hye heresyes And to shew you the truth as I haue expertely foūde some I haue knowen so angelyke of cōuersacyon that I coude haue foū●e in my harte to commytte my soule holly in to theyr direccyon whom afterward I haue perfytely perceyued to be auctours of suche detestable heresyes that it wold make a cristē harte to tremble for to here thēonis namyd And to tel you of one amonge many I was aquaynted wyth a certeyn persone of the Oecolampadyans in the cytie of Argentyne which led a lyfe inculpable amonge hys neyghbours was reputed of vertuous conuersacyon exercysynge hym selfe contynually in charytable workes and vnderstode fresshly the scryptures in his mother tounge for he was ignoran̄t of latine Afterwarde he fell in to so abhominable heresye that he denyed openly the new testamēt sayenge that Chryste was a fals prophete and all his apostles dysceuers acceptyng no parte of the olde testament but the v. bookes of Moyses The chefe prechers and lerned mē of the cyte cam vnto hym for to reforme hym by waye of disputacyon and to brynge hym from his errour requyrynge hym to shew what grounde of scrypture or what occasyō moued hym to take so peryllous ●pynyon To whom he answe●ed coldly wyth soft wordes ●emure countenaunce how he wolde nother dyspute nor argue wyth them sayenge that ●t was his belefe was assurid of god with witnesse of his conscyence to be trewe Apon this incōtynēte he was enprysoned and at last brought before the lordes of the towne whiche in lyke maner exhorted hym to reuoke his heresyes manacynge hym with feare of terryble deth yf he wolde not chaūge hys erronyous mynde He answered that he was redy to suffre what so euer deth god had ordeyned hym vnto and wolde nother for feare nor for fauour go from his opynyon wherfore after a suffycyent delyberacyon seynge he wolde tourne by no meanes sentens was gyuen that he shulde be burnyd N. In good fayth well worthy but was he burnyd in dede ☞ W. No. For when he shulde haue gone to the place of execucyon accordynge to the vsaunce of the countrye he was fyrst brought before the towne howse and there hys artycles recyted He was asked whether they were the very same which he hadde affermyd before them He answered ye Howbeit nowe he sayd god hath openyd my ignoraunce I aknowlege me slaunderously to haue erryd askynge yow all forgyuenes I byleue perfytely that Iesus Chryst is my sauyour and am redy in his fayth to suffre this deth prepared for me The lordes then where as they had gyuen sentence that he shoulde haue ben burnid for a more easy●eth they assyned hym to be be●edyd wherof he thanked thē and went toward the place of iustyce pacyently takyng hys deth with great repentaunce N. Thys may be a good admonysshemēt that men shulde not be so wauerynge in fayth as to gyue credence in all thinges to any persone for the onely pretēce of exteryoure holines in as moche as the deuyll can transfygure hym selfe in to an angels likenes and a fals peruerter take vppon hym the offyce of a trewe apostle Moreouer I consyder by your cōmunycacyon and playne experyence here rehersyd that yf the froward sturdynes of vnruly people were not restreyned by lawes prohybycyōs sharpe punys●hemētes euery comone weale wolde be soone subuertyd and the hole world come to nought ☞ W. As for that ye may take example natferrehens at the countye of Emdone in east Fryse lande where the erle ruler of the county fyrstle resceyuyng Martyn Luthers doctryne afterwarde Oecolampadins opynyon suffryd his peple to rede all maner of bookes and to be of what soeuer secte or opynyō they wolde without any restreynte Shortely after one of theyr chefe preachers whiche hadde bene a freer obseruāte a man of subtyle lernynge and pleasaunte speche hyghly estemyd amonge the people began to preache in open audyence against the blyssed trynyte sayenge that there was but one persone one god that our sauyoure Chryst was a creature as we are a pure man not god but hauynge goddes spyryte This caused not a lyttell dyscorde betwene the prechers and the peple for many of the coūtrye leanyd vnto him takynge hys parte so strongly that the erle