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A87226 Confidence encountred: or, A vindication of the lawfulness of preaching without ordination. In answer to a book published by N.E. a friend of Mr. Tho Willes, intituled, The confident questionist questioned. Together with an answer to a letter of Mr. Tho. Willes, published in the said book. By which the lawfulness of preaching without ordination is cleared, and the ordination of the national ministers proved to be a nullity. By Jer. Ives. Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674. 1658 (1658) Wing I1094; Thomason E936_1; ESTC R207711 43,652 64

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