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A30189 An answer to two treatises of Mr. Iohn Can, the leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam the former called, A necessitie of separation from the Church of England, proved by the Nonconformists principles : the other, A stay against straying : wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson, he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the ministers of the Church of England ... / by the late learned, laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ, John Ball. Ball, John, 1585-1640.; Ashe, Simeon, d. 1662. 1642 (1642) Wing B558; ESTC R3127 281,779 264

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this_o the_o nor●●●formists_n do_v both_o teach_v and_o practice_n and_o therefore_o they_o have_v humble_o sue_v for_o reformation_n but_o never_o either_o practise_v or_o approve_v your_o separation_n that_o which_o you_o cite_v out_o of_o the_o harmony_n of_o confession_n as_o if_o the_o reform_a church_n do_v allow_v or_o teach_v what_o you_o practice_n i_o will_v set_v down_o and_o leave_v it_o to_o every_o man_n to_o judge_v of_o your_o fidelity_n the_o church_n 309._o church_n gallic_n confess_v art_n 26._o none_o but_o prince_n can_v give_v freedom_n and_o protection_n to_o these_o spiritual_a function_n and_o action_n bilson_n christian_n part_n 2._o pag._n 309._o gallican_n say_v thus_o credimus_fw-la igitur_fw-la nemi●●●_fw-la licer●_n seize_v catibus_fw-la subducer●_n &_o in_o seipso_fw-la aequiescere_fw-la sed_fw-la patius_fw-la 〈◊〉_d s●●●il_fw-la tuendam_fw-la &_o conseruandam_fw-la esse_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la unitatem_fw-la sese_fw-la communi_fw-la institutioni_fw-la &_o 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to_o settle_v the_o truth_n and_o prohibit_v error_n and_o by_o wholesome_a punishment_n to_o prevent_v the_o disorder_n of_o all_o degree_n that_o authority_n lie_v only_o in_o the_o prince_n belgic_a thus_o credimus_fw-la qued_a cum_fw-la sacer_fw-la hic_fw-la caetus_fw-la &_o congregatio_fw-la sit_fw-la corum_fw-la qui_fw-la seruari_fw-la debent_fw-la &_o salus_fw-la nulla_fw-la sit_fw-la extra_fw-la eam_fw-la neminem_fw-la cujuscunque_fw-la dignitatis_fw-la aut_fw-la nomini●_n be_v fuerit_fw-la seize_v ab_fw-la ea-subducere_a aut_fw-la segregari_fw-la debere_fw-la ut_fw-la sva_fw-la tantu●_fw-la consu●tudine_fw-la contentus_fw-la solus_fw-la ac_fw-la separatim_fw-la vivat_fw-la sed_fw-la con●●a_fw-la ●●●es_fw-la as_o singulos_fw-la teneri_fw-la huic_fw-la caetui_fw-la se_fw-la adjungere_fw-la &_o ecclesiae_fw-la unitatem_fw-la sollicitè_fw-fr conservare_fw-la seque_fw-la illius_fw-la tum_fw-la doctrinae_fw-la tum_fw-la disciplinae_fw-la subjicere_fw-la collum_fw-la denique_fw-la christi_fw-la jugo_fw-la sponte_fw-la submittere_fw-la &_o tanquan●_n communia_fw-la ejusdem_fw-la corporis_fw-la membra_fw-la adificationi_fw-la fratrum_fw-la inservire_fw-la prout_fw-la deus_fw-la unicuique_fw-la sva_fw-la dona_fw-la fuerit_fw-la largitus_fw-la porro_fw-la ut_fw-la haee_fw-la melius_fw-la observentur_fw-la omnium_fw-la fidelium_fw-la part_n sunt_fw-la sese_fw-la juxta_fw-la dei_fw-la verbum_fw-la ab_fw-la eye_n omnibus_fw-la disjungere_fw-la qui_fw-la sunt_fw-la extra_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la constituti_fw-la huicque_n fidelium_fw-la caetui_fw-la ac_fw-la congregationi_fw-la seize_v adjungere_fw-la ubicunque_fw-la illam_fw-la deus_fw-la constituerit_fw-la et_fw-la si_fw-la id_fw-la contraria_fw-la principum_fw-la vel_fw-la magistratuum_fw-la edicta_fw-la prohibeant_fw-la indicta_fw-la etiam_fw-la in_o eos_fw-la capitis_fw-la &_o mortis_fw-la corporcae_fw-la poenâ_fw-la qui_fw-la id_fw-la fecerint_fw-la quicunque_fw-la igitur_fw-la à_fw-la vera_fw-la illa_fw-la 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